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  1. I don't know, drum solos seemed to still be a thing well into the 80's hair band days.
  2. In no particular order... Guitarists: Jimmy Page Dave Mustaine Devin Townsend Mikael Akerfeldt/Peter Lindgren - maybe it's cheating to sneak two in, but I don't know offhand who plays what solo, I just know I love their work together. Jack White Drummers: John Bonham Keith Moon Dave Lombardo Martin Lopez Bill Ward Edit: I suppose these are more my favorites than who I consider the greatest.
  3. I have nothing really to add, but it's just that what you've said here can't be said enough. WTF were they thinking?
  4. Aside from the absurdly long Moby Dick drum solos, I'd prefer a smaller number of long improvisational songs than a larger number of songs played basically the same as what's on the albums. I can always listen to the albums, but if I listen to a concert I want to hear something different. The long improv numbers like As Long As I Have You, Dazed and Confused, No Quarter, and the Whole Lotta Love medleys are my favorite parts of the Zeppelin concerts. Hearing album clones of Black Dog or Rock and Roll for the 200th time is what I could do without.
  5. I want to go back and listen to "Hard Blues Song." It's too bad the show was cut short, so they didn't get to perform "Hard Rock Song" or "Mellow Acoustic Song." Those are real show-stoppers.
  6. I'm not sure what my absolute first memory is, but I have a few early memories to share. I recall seeing a big display of Zeppelin records at a K Mart in 1975-ish. I was 5 or so years old and had recently seen this movie about the Hindenburg. I'm sure the movie was awful, but it made me a little obsessed with zeppelins for a while. So I was at K Mart with my mom and I see a big display of Led Zeppelin albums and Zeppelin I naturally caught my eye, and I begged my mom to get me one. I didn't even know what it was, but it had the Hindenburg on it so I wanted it. I often wonder what I, as a 5 year old, would have thought of that record had my mom relented and bought it for me. I also remember hearing Whole Lotta Love on the radio now and then. I was very young, young enough that the psychedelic part would kinda scare me. Finally, I remember seeing the image below in one of the Chicago newspapers we'd get. I must have only been 3 or 4 years old at the time, but I remember staring at the picture for the longest time. I wish I'd cut it out and saved it.
  7. That would be great, if it isn't YouTube stuff. If the eBay seller ever gets around to shipping the damn thing I would find out.
  8. One more thing I'd like to add: in order to really answer the question of how Led Zeppelin changed music, I guess we would need to define the terms of what "changing music" even means. Everyone seems to agree that the Beatles "changed music," and yet their early material wasn't much different stylistically from the 50's rockabilly that prompted them to pick up guitars and start playing rock and roll in the first place. It wasn't worlds apart from what the Beach Boys were doing in that same time frame, or any number of other artists. To my thinking, it really wasn't the Beatles music that changed music, it was their massive popularity. The Beatles didn't change music as much as Beatlemania changed music. That popularity revived rock and roll both as an art form and as a business. I mean, rock and roll as a business was just beginning there in the 60's and the Beatles were a huge part of that. Additionally, the massive American success of a British band playing American music, something which the British considered impossible, prompted all the other British bands to take their shot, kicking off the British invasion. But none of that had diddly squat to do with their music, it had everything to do with their popularity. Granted, if their music had sucked, they likely wouldn't have enjoyed that level of success, but at the same time their success was as much due to the marketability of the band's members as it was with the quality of their music. I really don't think all those teenage girls were screaming like mad because they just sooo dug that riff in "I Wanna Hold Your Hand." At any rate, the level of popularity they achieved is what changed everything, like a black hole powerful enough to bend space. Not their music, which was not entirely different, and arguably less interesting and innovative, than what a whole lot of other bands were playing at that time. Now if you accept my premise, then consider that Led Zeppelin achieved, at least in some respects, such a level of success that it surprised even Elvis. Nobody had sold as many tickets as Zeppelin was. Nobody had sold as many albums as Zeppelin was. And most importantly, nobody had made the kind of MONEY that Zeppelin was. The one area that comes to mind where Zeppelin fell short of the Beatles in terms of success and popularity was, I think, in regards to their presence within the popular culture. What I mean is, everyone knew the Beatles. Everyone knew them by name. Everyone had a favorite Beatle. Even people who didn't listen to their music knew who they were. They unquestionably had the biggest footprint in the popular culture since Elvis. Whereas Zeppelin, by not doing television and not doing public appearances and largely taking the focus off themselves, didn't have nearly as big of a footprint in the general popular culture. Which, I think, both helped and hurt them, but that's another topic altogether. I think Zeppelin's level of success effectively took the fledgling rock music business, which had been created in large part due to the popularity of the Beatles, and honed it into a finished product. The analogy I like to use is that of Atari vs. Nintendo. Atari created an entire industry out of nothing, and was successful to the extent that practically every US television had an Atari connected to it. But Atari had no clue what to do with this new industry they created, and ultimately crashed and burned. Then along comes Nintendo, having learned from Atari's mistakes, and rebuilds the video game industry into what it is today. Which is not to say that the Beatles crashed and burned, although Shea Stadium might count there, but rather, I think Zeppelin effectively took the fledgling rock industry of the 60's and in many respects transformed it into the massively successful business that it became in the 70's and beyond.
  9. I would add that the Beatles also exposed these innovations to a larger audience than the original innovators would have been able to. I've read that the Beatles may have been heavily influenced by what Pink Floyd was doing in the studio in the late 60's, but at that time there was absolutely no mainstream audience for whatever Pink Floyd was doing. Certainly not here in the US anyhow. But by exposing these innovations to a mainstream audience, I think it opened the door for those smaller acts to begin to have some mainstream appeal. In other words, if someone liked the weird psychedelic stuff that the Beatles were doing, they may start seeking out other psychedelic bands that they may not otherwise have had any interest in. Frankly, I think Zeppelin and other blues rock bands (and to an extent, rock and roll in general) did the same thing with regards to the blues. For all the whining about rock and roll bands stealing from the blues, I think these bands did more to expose people to the blues than the blues ever could have itself. Would anyone even remember Robert Johnson or Willie Dixon if bands like Zeppelin weren't swiping their stuff?
  10. Just to toss my two cents in, I agree with Steve to the extent that they, maybe unlike any rock band before them, took a little bit of everything that was going on in pop music before them; blues, psychedelia, hard rock, folk, rockabilly, and merged it all into one amazingly coherent style. I can think of few bands, either before or since, that could pull that off as effectively as they did. But I do think their impact goes beyond that. For starters, Zeppelin were at least as influential to 70's rock as the Beatles were to 60's rock. It's hard to look at 70's rock and not see some Zeppelin influence. Heck, even the Osmand Brothers were influenced by Zeppelin. One can see Zeppelin's influence all over the place in the 80's rock, and even in the 90's grunge thing. It's hard to argue that Zeppelin weren't a major influence on everything that came after. Furthermore, each of the individual members basically became the template for every rock band to follow. Perhaps not so much these days, given that rock itself has so little presence left in mainstream pop culture. But certainly throughout the 70's and 80's and into the 90's, Jimmy Page was the quintessential rock guitarist, Bonham the quintessential rock drummer, Plant the quintessential rock singer. And one could argue that Jones defined the anonymity of the rock and roll bass player, although I'm mostly just joking on that one. Last but not least, I think Zeppelin and Peter Grant created a model in which rock and roll as an art form could be profitable, and helped usher in an era of rock creativity and artistry. Which is not to say that rock bands weren't doing creative and artistic things before that, but largely, unless you were the Beatles, your only real hope of making any money was in recording top 40 radio hits. And even the Beatles, during their most creative and experimental period, still chugged out more than their fair share of top 40 radio hits. That was the market back then, you put out top 40 hits or you languished in obscurity and relative poverty. Led Zeppelin changed that paradigm, by totally eschewing the singles market and focusing on albums, by figuring out a way to actually make money touring, and along with groups like Alice Cooper, Pink Floyd and The Who, changed the very perception of the rock concert into an event onto itself rather than just a way for a band to promote it's records. I don't think bands like Pink Floyd or Jethro Tull could have ever really had the kind of popular and commercial success that they had in the singles-driven market of the 60's. But like others have said, timing plays a huge roll in all of this. Zeppelin were just the right group of musicians with just the right manager and just the right sound appearing at just the right time. The same could be said of the Beatles. If the Beatles hadn't come along when they did, maybe it would have been the Stones, or some other British invasion band. Or, maybe it had to be the Beatles. Maybe it had to be just that perfect combination personalities, sound, image, etc. for a band to reach that peak of popularity, success and influence that the Beatles enjoyed; and maybe the same is true of Zeppelin. In any event, I think it's indisputable that Zeppelin had at least as much impact on defining the sound of 70's rock as the Beatles had in defining the sound of 60's rock; and I think it's also indisputable that any list of the most important and influential rock bands of all time would have Zeppelin on it, and probably close to the top.
  11. I won this on eBay yesterday for $96. I'm very much hoping it's more than just a bunch of YouTube rips like "The Film Archive" was. That would annoy me.
  12. While there have been lots of interesting thoughts posted throughout this thread, and while the topic may be fun discussion fodder, to me questioning whether or not Jimmy Page was a sloppy guitarist is like questioning whether Picasso was a sloppy painter. I think this quote from Steve Vai pretty much says it all: "In the physical universe there are objects that include suns, planets, all life in matter, in all dimensions; and then there is the space that all these things exist. That space is the vital element. For virtually every kid since 1968, who picked up a guitar to find his voice on the instrument, Jimmy Page has been that space that enables all our notes to be played."
  13. Balthazor

    Any time now.....

    Or maybe he had no idea that people would jump to the insane conclusion that posting those three little words on his website meant Led Zeppelin reunion.
  14. Balthazor

    Any time now.....

    It seems the internet is all excited about a "possible Led Zeppelin reunion" based on Plant's "Any time now..." page. Yeah, because I'm sure THAT'S what it means. Sounds like that "fake news" I hear so much about. http://www.nme.com/news/music/led-zeppelin-reforming-rumours-2064714 http://ultimateclassicrock.com/robert-plant-website-message-prompts-new-round-of-led-zeppelin-reunion-rumors/ http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/unsubstantiated-led-zeppelin-reunion-rumors-sparked-by-message-on-robert-plants-web-site/
  15. Here's a few little tidbits: At the very end of The Rain Song, where for a brief instant the guitar suddenly sounds very dark or melancholy. I don't know if I'm describing it well. It almost sends a chill up my spine every time I hear it. In Since I've Been Loving You, right about 5 minutes into the song, just before Plant sings "and my tears they fell like rain" Jones does the coolest little organ fill. You almost have to crank the song loud to even hear it. In Battle of Evermore, just before Plant starts singing "bring it back", when the vocals just hang there for what seems like forever, and then just drop an octave or something. Finally, in addition to the many fine things already mentioned, such as their incredible mystique; I would add the way in which they really just gave the finger to the entire pop music industry and played by their own rules, and were wildly successful not because of the pop music industry but rather in spite of it. Oh, and I have to second, or third, or twelfth, the 6/21/77 intro to TSRTS. That can't be mentioned enough.
  16. Led Zeppelin - How the West Was Won Led Zeppelin - The Song Remains the Same Rush - All the World's a Stage Rainbow - On Stage Devin Townsend - Ziltoid Live at the Royal Albert Hall
  17. This has been a fun topic, with lots of horrid bands being given their just rewards. However, the worst band ever is without a doubt this one...
  18. That's the one I was going to mention. It's just got a hell of an intensity to it, and of course the insane vocals.
  19. In the past week or so I've heard from two different people who've said that they've never heard Led Zeppelin until this Thor trailer came along. Naturally my response was to ask what rock they've been living under, but they were both younger guys who've probably been exposed to little more than crappy boy bands, pop divas and rap their entire lives. Now the Immigrant Song is charting in both the US and UK for the first time in decades, thanks to the exposure from this trailer. It occurred to me that with Jimmy loosening up his grip on the music, allowing it to be used for films and trailers and whatever else, sure is helping to expose a new generation to the awesomeness of Led Zeppelin.
  20. Yesterday I picked up a Zeppelin book at a used book store, "Led Zeppelin Heaven and Hell" by Charles R. Cross and Erik Flannigan, published in 1991. The book has a listing of concert dates, including this one:
  21. It's definitely not for everyone. Slow, meandering, virtually pointless. I like the movie, but even I have to be in the proper mood for it.
  22. I just got mine in the mail today. It's got a cool booklet that includes the original short story on which the movie was based, and a whole slew of extras. I plan on sifting through the extras this weekend, I'm curious to see if the "making of" documentary has anything more about the Yardbirds involvement.
  23. Great post! You're completely right about Randy's sisters, acting as though the evil rich Zeppelin were taking food from the mouths of poor children. Francis Malofiy is a slimy opportunist, but at least in a comical, laughable way. Those sisters are just slimy opportunists.
  24. I pre-ordered that sucker months ago. It should arrive any day now. Hopefully.
  25. Are these the deluxe cds or the super deluxe box sets?
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