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On 5/20/2017 at 6:50 AM, 76229 said:
Zooma is brilliant. If you want to see JPJ stretching out & throwing every musical idea into the mix, that album has it. Great drumming from Pete Thomas as well
Agreed, Zooma is a tour de force. It show cases JPJ's criminally underrated musicianship in spades. What I meant by Coverdale/Page being the "best over all" solo album by any of the guys is its AOR nature in comparison to Zeppelin's albums and not necessarily its musicianship (which was pretty stellar in itself imo).
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I still maintain Coverdale/Page is the "best" overall effort put forth by any one of the three ex-members of Led Zeppelin. Just IMO.
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20 hours ago, JohnOsbourne said:
I regularly listen to the Coverdale/Page album, while it's been probably 20 years or more since I've listened to The Firm or Outrider. C/P definitely clicked, it's a pity they didn't follow through.
Looking back now I have to agree I would have preferred a follow up to Coverdale/Page just on a artistic note. Sure it was a thrill to see Jimmy and Robert rock out live, but ultimately that project ran out of fumes with pretty much a whisper after WIC was released. I've read that Jimmy tried to salvage it by going into the studio with Michael Lee and recorded the foundation for a potential follow up to WIC and of course Plant rejected it (I'll leave it to the imagination as to why "cough" To Zeppelinish maybe? "cough")
IMO Jimmy worked really well with Coverdale and I think they could have taken that project into a whole lot of areas since that album was such a good starting point. At least I don't see Coverdale getting cold feet and bailing with what appeared to be little notice to Jimmy. But I guess we'll never know
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11 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
If it hadn't been for the MTV Unledded project they probably would have done more. David has remained quite active to this day.
That's a tough trade off for me On the one hand I got to see Page/Plant live in Tampa in 1998 and the show rocked with many Zeppelin tunes and Jimmy really kicking it on guitar But on the other hand Coverdale/Page is an album that has great repeat listen quality while I honestly cant remember the last time I've popped in Walking into Clarksdale, but its been years Right now I'm leaning towards a follow up to C/P.
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That's great! BCC really is a fantastic band. Although I really liked California Breed and thought that band had tons of potential I'm glad it seems BCC is getting back together. ;}
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Happy Birthday Jimmy! Many more to come!
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A little OT but Anniemouse you mentioned some new bands in the UK and just for kicks I looked up Royal Blood (randomly) on youtube and found the video Figure it out and actually enjoyed it! I guess an old dog can learn some new tricks after all lol.
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Yeah, maybe Paul and John could have worked together again on something. Kinda like what Page and Plant did. I do know that Paul has said his personal relationship with Lennon was getting better during the late 70's/80. But thats how it always seemed to be with them post-Beatles. They would become friends again for a while, "something would happen" (who knows what), then they wouldnt speak to each other (sometimes for years). Their friendship really seemed up and down during that decade.
I dont know much about what sort of interaction Paul had with George during this period, but I get the impression it wasnt very much. But that might be wrong, dunno. I assume it was okay with Ringo though.
About what you mentioned with Harrison doing the Anthology for financial reasons, thats not the first time I've heard that. I dont know if its true or not but I would think he would have been doing fine money wise.
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We're always talking about the good old Led Zepp reunion. But I wonder if Lennon hadnt got killed if these guys would have ever reunited as The Beatles again?
We'll never know of course but I put it at 50/50 at best. There just seemed to be so much bad mojo between these guys even many years after they broke up.
(P.S. sorry if this has been asked before on another thread, if so ignore it lol).
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I've sometimes wondered what "could have been" if XYZ (especially Jimmy) had been able to hold things together during those 1981 recordings/sessions. The material I've heard sounds interesting with Jimmy's guitar sounding much like it did on 'In through the outdoor'. I know they were trying for something a little experimental, maybe more of a Prog rock sound even.
Theres an interview with Chris Squire (I think) floating around where he talks about the XYZ sessions. He said something along the lines that Jimmy was trying to put on a brave face and was saying stuff like "Zeppelin's over and he was ready to move forward", but he thought Jimmy was still very much struggling because of what had happened with Zeppelin. I dont know, maybe it was just to soon for him to really throw himself back into a big time project.
But hey, we got 'The Firm' instead, and IMO thats not to shabby a trade off!
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"There’s changes in the Jason Bonham camp this time around. Bonham has changed managers and backstage there’s a buzz around the band, they’re all quietly excited about something. I ask about a possible album, and am told that it’s happening - it’s even suggested I get a listen of some of the new material, but that never happens. It’s suggested more dates are coming in the summer, possibly bigger dates. But there’s more, something bigger, and on three different occasions I am almost told what it is. Each band member is keeping their own counsel on the big news, but each was having a hard time not telling, biting their lips before saying, “I can’t.” Stephen LeBlanc tells me, when I mention his keyboard work on Since I’ve Been Loving You, “I’ve always wanted a real hammond organ on tour. Maybe this summer I’ll get one.” Whatever it is, it’s big and according to the rumour mill, while the band is trying to hold it in, Jason is holding court elsewhere telling his guests what is up."
I wonder what the heck it is? It seems new music is coming our way. But from this it seems something else is up in the background! Cant wait to find out.
Either way great article!
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I remember listening to the local rock station down in here Tampa taking calls from people who had just left the show and the DJ said the calls at that point were almost 50/50 as to which performance was better, Plant or Cheap Trick! I thought to myself "no way".
Does anyone remember how well Cheap Trick played during their set at any of the shows they opened? I find it hard to believe they did "better" than Plant and his back up band under any circumstance. Thats not a knock on them btw.
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Good review Battra IMO. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Overall, I think Coverdal/Page is the most "Zeppelinesque" work done by any of the three guys post 1980.
Its a one off gem that still hold up well even after almost two decades later.
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Happy Birthday Mr. John Paul Jones (Baldwin)!!! Your sometimes over looked but the discerning music fan knows how talented and creative you are sir. Many more!!!
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Just to bring us back on topic, somewhere in my archive I have a photograph taken on September 20, 1983 of Jimmy pleading with a constable not to tow his illegally-parked car away from Royal Albert Hall. This occured shortly after the afternoon soundcheck.
Can you post it Steve? That could be good for a laugh!
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Wow thanks Steve. Didnt know about the first time that happened. Thankfully the judge showed some slack or the Firm may have been derailed before they even got off the ground.
I just wonder if that same sort of leniency would be afforded any ordinary joe? I hope so. I hate that sort of double standard.
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And agreed, physicaly he looks bad there. I saw a video of him talking to Clapton backstage at one of these events and was struck at how frail he looked. Far worse than even Knebworth, and he was pretty frail then. But at least there he still had a "glow" on his face. At this event his face was pale, and almost "mask like". A common look of those who are having big time trouble with booze and or drugs.
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From my limited knowledge I've come to understand that Jimmy had dabbled with drugs as early as the mid to late sixties, but became more or less a semi-functional addict around 76-77 and this lasted until the mid 80's when, thankfully, he kicked it once and for all.
I think the London subway incident may have been a tipping point. This is when he was either arrested or taken into custody because he was wandering the subway in an apparent drug induced state of mental confusion. That in and of itself could have ended very badly IMO. But its been a long time since I read about that so the dates and circumstances may be wrong. Perhapes someone else can pull that info up.
Either way I agree. I think there may have been several times Jimmy pushed fate with that stuff and was lucky to be alive and kicking at the other end. But he did, and looks and sounds fantastic today. Not unlike the Brian Wilson (who may have been worse actually).
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I think Joe Bonamassa's solo efforts may also be playing a part in the dissension. Either way its not a good sign. I really like BCC and would hate to see a very solid band like that break up, but it seems close.
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Wow, very impressed with Jasons drumming here. From what I've read Jason really got serious about his drumming in the 00's and it shows now IMO.
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Ah Pictures at Eleven, the first RP album I ever got. And honestly I think one of his best efforts and easily the most Zeppelinish sounding album by one of the ex members until Coverdale/Page. I actually like the follow up as well "The Principle of Moments" solid stuff IMO, still in the same vein yet a bit more moody. Shaken N Stirred was also good in its own way, I thought Plant was trying to branch out a bit and at the same time "modernize" his style.
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Wow does this bring back the memories. Thanks for posting it Steve. The Hair Band era, for all of its sometimes goofiness was still by and large fun.
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When I heard that Steve Albini was producing I have to admit I was expecting something totally different.
I think Albini thought so as well.
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Dont get me wrong, I like the Firm, and I also think if they had come out in some other decade they would have more likely had more success. My feeling about their music is the same now as when I first heard it, not bad by a long shot, better than 70% of the stuff that was coming out at the time and still great today, but far from what I would expect from musical giant's like JP, PR and the other two very talented musicians (feel the same way with WIC). I dunno maybe Im selfish.
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You raise really great points here imo, and I pretty much agree with all of them. I remember when I first heard that Jimmy and David where teaming up. I was both excited and hesitant at the same time because I'd watched Jimmy unite with an exceptional front man in Paul Rogers, yet to my ears The Firm albums where mediocre compared to I expected from such a musically talented pairing. But when the day came and the local rock station dropped Pride and Joy it just blew my mind. The riff was slamming, vintage Page, yet it sounded fresh to my ears. I was like "Damn that rocks!! It was really exciting to be a Zeppelin fan again because we finally had new GOOD Zeppelin-like music, and from Jimmy Page himself. And it seemed like it was about damn time too. Pride and Joy quickly became the most requested song, day after day, week after week. People kept calling into the station asking to hear Jimmy's new music. I couldn't help but feel good for him because up till that time it kind of felt like he'd become a little irrelevant in the 'modern' musical landscape, even being viewed by some as an old washed up rocker whos better days where far behind.
But despite the fact that the album did indeed sell really well and generated a lot of excitement at the time, in general I still think its a woefully underrated piece of work. It has Jimmy's best studio guitar playing/recording since Zeppelin. And the great thing is overall it still holds up fantastic even decades later.
I agree with you, I hope that this album gets more attention from the fans and music critics than it has in the past and people really judge it on its merits and context without the tired clichés and pre-conceived judgements .