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...and where do most of these rumours originate? Zeppelin site named after a famous Louisiana hotel, no?
Where the pathologically lying con artist of a moderator intimates that he has this uncirculated source and that uncirculated source...bullshit that is guaranteed to keep all the Kool Aid drinking members of the site coming back for more? Difference between here and there, though is here you can actually discuss this kind of thing, whereas over there there is no speculation allowed! Why is that? Moderators' guilty conscience, perhaps???Personally I don't believe there IS a Houston '77 video. If there was, it would probably have already appeared- footage like that is too much of a cash cow for the goddamn bootleggers to pass up.
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I mean, Zeppelin had their ups and downs in '77, but I defy all the bashers once and for all to pick up a goddamn instrument, start a band, write some songs and go out and be a better band and put on a better show than Led Zeppelin did, okay?
What was that? You're not a musician (I know there are musicians on this site, but they probably keep their mouths shut)? Then with all due respect, shut the fuck up about something you really know nothing about. You think '77 sucked? Fine...don't listen to it, and keep your bloody opinions to yourselves!
Remember what John Paul Jones said: "Even on our worst night, we were better than most bands on their best."
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It is no wonder they never released anything from 77
they were shit
Christ almighty...is it possible to start a thread on this site without it dissolving into a fucking flame war?!
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That's what I'm trying to find out, if the thing's actually a fraud or not (my apologies for sounding both biased and bitter, but the term 'Reliable sources' seems like a bit of a misnomer when it comes to Zeppelin boots...)
If the show wasn't taped, where the shit did the NBFBM sample I heard come from? According to the "Led Zeppelin Sessions Database":
"April Fools Day"
Label: Unknown
Venue: Memorial Center
Date: 04/01/1977
Sound Rating: M/AD/4
Media Type/Number:
CD 2
Artwork Available: Yes
Recording Information:
This is one of those sets that are for completests only. The sound is barely audible. There is also quite a bit of discussion on this set of it's actual origin.
Track Listing:
Disc One:
1. The Song Remains The Same
2. Sick Again
3. Nobody's Fault But Mine
4. In MY Time Of Dying
5. Since I've Been Loving You
Disc Two:
1. No Quarter
2.Ten Years Gone
3.The Battle Of Evermore
4. Going To California
Like I say, I can't place the sound from the sample as being from any other '77 show, although to give it a 4/10 rating on SQ would indeed be accurate...almost up there with Atlanta or -god help us- Tempe in the poor quality department.
Bottom line: could it be genuine or yet another fraud perpetrated on Led Zeppelin collectors?
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Yea, I love the 1977 tour. One of my favorites. I just got a master clone of Baton Rouge 1977 and I have to say that not only is it the best sound quality tape ever (even better than Eddie), but is the best show of the tour too...
...You mean the one you said had the killer version of "The Wanton Song" on it????
Somehow I get the feeling that Freezer -or whoever you got this show from- has taken you, and undoubtedly several others, for a ride. Am I surprised? Not in the least, and I doubt I'm the only one...
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...some people say this show is not in circulation.
Yet there are recordings/boots purported to be this show. The Sessions Database site has a decidedly fuzzy sample of "Nobody's Fault But Mine" from this date. Not really enough to determine if it is indeed the Dallas performance, but the sample didn't seem to match any of the available '77 recordings I've heard (all of 'em.)
Does anyone know what the story is behind this "April Fools Day" boot? Is it genuine or a fraud? I'm curious, 'cos as a '77 completist, if Dallas is the real deal, I'd like to track it down somehow...
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"Paranoia" is as good a term as any.
Either the damn tapers are more protective of their precious tapes than Mama Bear with her cubs or the bootleggers are fighting one another in order to have the most superior version of the show. Six of one, half a dozen of the other...again, most of the 'consumers', as it were, aren't so picky.
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...at least this guy doesn't go around sending hitherto unreleased/uncirculated Zeppelin shows to people with specific instructions not to share them, like Freezer does...I knew the bastard had sent out the Baton Rouge '77 show to people; I just HAD to goad him into admitting his motives.
when are tapers going to realize that, if they don't want their precious recordings to turn up in the hands of the bootleggers, to a) keep their fuckin' mouths shut about what they're hoarding or b- don't share at all- especially in this day and age...you put up a show, it shows up on a bit torrent site, give it a week and it'll be in the hands of a jap bootlegger. Okay? That's reality. Either share the goddamn tapes with the general public or keep them to yourselves; those are the options. There is no grey area on this matter.
Some of these tapers are so self righteous it's not even funny. "That's MY tape"...blah blah blah...ever occurred to any of you waterhead tapers that most of the fans don't give a fuck who taped the show, as long as they can hear it?????
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It was the seventies, after all...I'd say rock stars who weren't "chemically enhanced" in those days are probably in the minority.
The first time I heard the 23 June/77 show I could hear the cocaine in the performance...awesome show, but I almost got a buzz just listening to it; sort of like watching "The Last Waltz", Scorsese's film of The Band's final concert; everybody's coked right out!
The thing is, it's like Steven Tyler saying he can't listen to any of the old Aerosmith albums anymore because all he hears is the drugs...boo hoo hoo. Nobody put a gun to their heads and made them do all those drugs...
Compared to some bands from back then, Zeppelin wasn't that bad as far as chemical enhancement goes.
Stoned or sober, though, some of those Plantations are pretty fuckin' funny!
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Listening to the "Bonzo's Birthday Party" boot as I write.
Like many others, John Bonham's drumming -both the style and the sound- is what really got me into Led Zeppelin in the first place, and is certainly what inspired me to pick up the sticks myself (though I'm primarily a guitarist/bassist). I'll never forget, having been exposed to Zeppelin and the Stones, among others, all my life, but never really having sat down and listened to them- the drummer in my old junior high school garage band (I played bass) bringing his parents' old Houses Of The Holy LP over. He looked like someone had hit him over the head with the Hammer Of The Gods itself. Dropping the needle on "Dyer Maker", he goes, "Listen to the sound of these fuckin' drums!" That was the precise moment I became a Led Zeppelin fanatic, before Page and Jones even enter in the song.
Sure, there may be drummers who are technically better than Bonzo. Neil Peart is constantly mentioned as the prime example, as is Keith Moon (the "Badgeholders" drum duel between Bonzo and Moonie is next on my playlist- think I'll put it on 'repeat'). But, to me, despite his arguably superior ability (not to mention bigger kit), what Neil Peart makes up for in precision he totally lakes in feeling or soul. He plays drums like a neurosurgeon, not a rock drummer. Keith Moon was great, but when did the man not overplay? Moonie had his moments of greatness, but most of the time I hear The Who and wish the man would have just layed back and played the beat. The exact opposite of a human metronome like Charlie Watts. John Bonham managed to combine -in a wholly original way- Keith Moon's ability to play crazy fills with Charlie's swing groove and transcended both. He was one of a kind, and the overindulgence in his vices which laid him low is without doubt one of the biggest tragedies in popular music history. Zeppelin's decision to pack it in following his death was a good one (The Who should have done the same thing IMO.) No Phil Collinses or Michael Lees can replace Bonzo. Only his son can come closest, and, it must be said, fits his old man's shoes admirably.
I have no doubts John Henry Bonham is up there, still swinging, and probably jamming alongside the likes of Hendrix, Entwhistle and Lennon. I quit drinking a while back, but today is the day for me to raise a symbolic Heineken to the memory of the one and only John Henry Bonham.
As should we all...
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The words "Madonna" and "Led Zeppelin" don't belong in the same fucking sentence, let alone anyplace else. The woman's not worthy of wiping the finger gunk off of Jimmy Page's guitar strings, okay! I cannot believe this woman is still famous and making music. It depresses me that I can remember when Madonna first made it big -I was just a kid- and she's still around while many artists who actually possessed varying degrees of talent are not.
I'm sure she is a Zeppelin fan (sarcasm)...it must make her absolutely sick hearing a band that actually had songwriting talent but also had musical ability as a group unlike any other. Does Madonna write her own songs (as opposed to getting credit for them along with whoever she 'collaborates' with)? Play any instruments (assuming there are actual instruments on her records these days, or is it all pre-programmed/sampled crap)? Does she have Page's production abilities? Nope...she's a total fuckin' con, and probably the biggest example/representation of why popular music has declined so much in the last twenty five years or so. All style, no substance and particularly no talent or sincerity whatsoever.
So she's still around...congratulations. The woman is fifty years old, for Christ sakes...the way she still dresses and carries on like some eighteen year old skank makes me sick. Madonna should start acting her age, 'cos pretty soon she's just going to look ridiculous the way she carries on. Correct me if I'm wrong, but when the hell is the last time the woman's music actually made headlines -if it ever did- and not her publicity seeking antics? Hats off to her PR people; they earn their pay and then some. Imagine the reactions of her kids ten or fifteen years from now if they're ever presented with that goddamn "Sex" book. Or exposed to any of her horrible films? I feel sorry for them, and can only imagine the therapy bills. Will they desire to change their names when they grow up, ala Bart and Lisa Simpson, to "Steve Bennett" and "Lois Sandborn"?
I know...I probably sound pretty bitter, and should get of my soapbox, but there's a good reason why I don't listen to a hell of a lot of music that came out after about 1980 or so (bands of the classic rock era's latest albums aside): the majority of what's come along since then just ain't music. Madonna and Minogue and their ilk are an insult to so-called Popular Music.
End of rant...
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I remember watching a Plant concert on PBS back in the "Fate Of Nations" era. At one point the band went off in a blues jam and -this was cool- Plant's guitarist took his guitar off, held it out, Plant put it on and just ripped into this killer solo, then gave the guitar back to his guitarist (Doug Boyle???). I was surprised; I was not aware Robert Plant even played guitar at that time. But what surprised me even more is that, obviously the man can play when he feels like it. I'd be willing to bet that Plant could probably handle all the guitar duties on a solo album if he felt like it.
I mean, Mick Jagger has been playing guitar on Stones albums (and occasionally live) ever since "Sticky Fingers" -1971- but I don't think he ever played anything of any real significance until the slide guitar on "Back Of My Hand" off "A Bigger Bang". Hell, Sir Mick even plays bass on about half the album...point is, I'm sure he didn't just come across the ability to play lead all of a sudden in 2005 after strumming away for thirty odd years. Same with Robert Plant...by the way, isn't that Plant playing the acoustic on "Black Country Woman"?
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The idea of somebody other than Jimmy Page playing the "Stairway" solo is as ridiculous of an urban legend as the one about some session drummer -Bernard Purdie I believe is the name- being the real studio drummer in The Beatles, not Ringo. You can tell it's Ringo on the skins and you can tell it's Page playing the solo. What next? "Robert Plant lip-synched on stage!"..."They used pre recorded drum tracks live!!"...give me a break.
Don't get me wrong...conspiracy theories are a hobby of mine, but THIS one is as outlandish as the "No planes hit the World Trade Center" bullshit regarding 9/11...
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I can think of a couple of similar incidents in my own life. My mum was the big Classic Rock fan (must be where I got it from); dad wasn't much of a music guy. Anyway, back when the 4 CD box set came out, they got it for me for Christmas. In our family, tradition dictated we opened one present on Christmas Eve whilst sitting around munching on cheese and crackers and veggies, etc, fireplace crackling away, and so on. Well, I opened the box set (I had all the LP's, of course- most of 'em from mum's old collection- Zeppelin III was scratched to shit; you could barely hear "That's The Way"...). My mother was like, "Oh, put it on!!!", so I did; they'd had a couple glasses of wine (I was fourteen and had one too; didn't like it at the time...). So the three of us sat there most of the evening listening to Zeppelin; I think it was around the time it got to "Kashmir" when my dad goes, "You know, these guys are pretty good. I'm surprised; it's not all bashing away or wimpy stuff." Mum and I started laughing, and were like, "Well, YEAH!". My dad asked, "How many guys were in the band?" I rattled off the names and instruments..."Four people?! That's one guitarist? That's incredible!" Dad goes. "Why aren't they together anymore?" Mum told him why. "Shit, that's too bad." I never would have figured my old man for being a Zeppelin convert...
Fifteen years later, and my boss at work was moving on to greener pastures. She was a music lover, particularly the harder rocking bands (she liked Zeppelin but wasn't hardcore about them.) Well, my boss and co-workers were more than used to my blasting away Zeppelin boots, occassional air drumming, etc...so, as both a going away present and as a memento of our working together, I burned my boss a copy of the "Badgeholders" show and gave it to her. I didn't think she'd actually take the time to listen to it...but a couple of weeks later she phoned me; "I finally got around to listening to that Zeppelin concert you gave me...damn, that was cool! Those guys kicked ass live! No wonder you like 'em so much." She went on to describe how her four year old daughter was bopping around the living room listening to the show- and how her ten year old son wouldn't stop playing it since!!! "I think you better burn me a couple more- I'm already downloading the studio discography."
I said I would (and did: Seattle '73 and BBC '71.) It was only after getting the Zeppelin talk out of the way that she went on to describe her new job...
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As a matter of fact, I've been playing guitar, bass and drums for damn near twenty years now (Christ I feel old some days), and there's nothing I like better (aside from recording my own music, of course) than throwing on an old Zeppelin show and playing along with it. Better 'n practicing scales, I'd say. What's surprising, at first, is how some of their songs -"Achilles Last Stand" immediately comes to mind- are actually a hell of a lot easier to play than you'd think. Especially nice and clean and sober...which only goes to show the extremely detrimental effect Page's Banana Dacquiri/heroin/cocaine/Marlboro diet had on his playing AND performance.
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The Guitar: Jimmy Page
The Voice: Robert Plant
Period.
I agree, and certainly want to see anything presented as being "Led Zeppelin" without Plant's voice, but I'm sure people raised their eyebrows back in the day when Phil Collins replaced Peter Gabriel in Genesis, and Brian Johnson replaced Bon Scott in AC/DC...those arrangements seemed to work out pretty well for the bands, I'd say...
Having said that, though, Zeppelin without Robert Plant is like the Stones without Jagger. It's bad enough having Pete Townshend and Roger Daltrey performing as "The Who"...it'd be like McCartney hitting the road with Ringo on drums and calling it "The Beatles". Blasphemy!!!!!
Jimmy Page can work with all the different singers he likes, but the album and/or tour better be credited to "Jimmy Page"...even if his rhythm section is a certain J.P. Jones on bass and a Mr. Jason Bonham on drums.
Mind you, I never liked the "Outrider" era Plant-less Zeppelin renditions (at least it wasn't that horrible Chris Farlowe lounge lizard guy singing!), and don't get me started on the Page/Black Crowes travesty. Never really cared for Plant's Page-less Zep songs, either...
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Aside from Zeppelin using the Stones Mobile Unit on occasion (as did a lot of other artists, as has been pointed out), in spite of Mick and Keith's occasional jabs at Zeppelin's music, they seem to have had a good working and personal relationship. Particularly Keith, Ronnie Wood and Page (or maybe that's because they all got their cocaine from the same supplier, a Merck rep friend of Keith's). After all, that IS Jimmy Page playing the solos on "One Hit To The Body" (not to mention a couple of unreleased jams in the mid 70's such as "Scarlet"; Woody also sat in with Zeppelin on the '75 tour); Jagger and the Stones' businessmen took a lot from how Peter Grant rewrote the book on artists VS promoters (i.e. the infamous 90/10 split) in the early seventies. Peter Grant also managed Ronnie Wood's early band The Birds. Woody also claims in his memoirs that Grant approached him to join Zeppelin; personally I reckon this story is just an example of the slight pickling effect alcohol has had on Ron Wood's brain over the years. Especially as Woody presents the scenario as Peter Grant having assembled Plant, Jonesy and Bonham and needing to find a guitarist!!!!
...Of course, it goes without saying that, if Zeppelin actually does go on tour (big if), all the records the Stones set on the "Bigger Bang" tour (probably their long-overdue swansong, IMO) will be subsequently blown out of the water. Heh heh...just like in the good old days, back in the seventies...
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Presence is one of the coolest Zeppelin albums ever, iit's modern rock at it's best, still sounds fresh, not dated at all. The sound, mix, and production is their smoothest ever and Page's playing is among his best. Love his twang and attitude, as well as Jones break-through pioneering bass tone on Achilles. If you listen closely to Jones' bass on ALS, he's muting and chugging along with high-end clarity you never really hear from a bass, while simultaneously having incredibly deep, warm low end. He manages this HUGE tone without cluttering the mix or overpowering the other guys, all while playing incredibly tasty and clever bass lines that TOTALLY fit the music 100%, serving the song. That's Jones for 'ya, the best of the best. And blues guitar playing DOES NOT get any better than Tea For One, Page's playing cuts so DEEP into the soul, devoid of your typical blues cliche licks that most other "blues players" always play. And those classy, rocked-out riffs all over Hots On For Nowhere are to die for, still looking for a youtube video of this from the Page/Black Crowes 2000 tour when they played it, it sounded so fat at the Jones Beach show 6/29/00, the guitars were huge, fat, in full stereo, it was great.
You nailed it.
Keeping in mind the album was recorded and mixed in something like seventeen days -Page doing his guitar overdubs in two!- that is a production coup and a half, especially for someone in Jimmy Page's condition at the time. I know the Stones couldn't believe it (compare the album they were coming in to work on, "Black And Blue", with "Presence" and there's no fucking contest as to which is the better, more timeless LP!)
IMO "Presence" is Page's peak not only as a guitarist but a producer as well (Jimmy tends to agree, judging from numerous comments he's made over the years.) Jonesy's 8-string bass (and what I'm pretty sure is his 5 string on "For Your Life")? Crushing. Plant's in good voice for a guy singing in a wheelchair and undoubtedly hopped up on all sorts of, er, painkillers. And Bonzo? Some of his most intricate work is on this album. Hearing the isolated drum tracks for "Ozone Baby" is one thing, but I'd love to hear "Achilles" or "Candy Store Rock" that way!
When Led Zeppelin made their first album in '68, they obviously felt they had something to prove, and it shows. By PG, they were getting pretty comfortable, I'd say. As terrible as it sounds, I think Plant's car-smash lit a fire under the band's collective ass in a way they hadn't felt since they first started. On "Presence" they seemed to pull out all the stops. They were playing as though their LIVES depended on it, not simply their careers (as in the case of the fourth album).
It's ALWAYS been my favorite Zeppelin album. These days, I seem to listen mainly to their live stuff, but "Presence" is still the Zep studio album I listen to on a regular basis. I probably have more experiences and memories over the years connected to this LP than any other. A big part of the soundtrack to my life, in other words. Bottom line: along with "Exile On Main Street" and "Revolver", my old vinyl copy of "Presence" is definitely going in the casket with me.
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It has to end with Sick Again!
I've always heard arguments from George Martin that the Beatle's White Album would be better as a one LP album, but there are so many great moments that I love that I would miss, even if they're not the greatest musically.
Same with PG, I wouldn't even want to leave off the talking before Black Country Woman. When the first cd pressing came out and the left off the "cough" part after IMTOD I was mad. I wouldn't even buy it until the remastered version came out.
But if I had to make it fit on an LP or one side of a cassette it would have to have the Wanton Song. And end with Sick Again.
I'd reckon it's easier to make a 'single album' White Album than PG. I tried, and you don't miss the songs I left out.
"Physical Graffiti" is one of those classic/mythical double albums, like "Exile On Main Street", "Electric Ladyland" or "Blonde On Blonde" that equals the sum of their parts.
I think it would be easier to consider PG if it only consisted of the Headley Grange '74 tracks...in other words, if the album looked something like this:
A: Custard Pie/In My Time Of Dying/Trampled Under Foot/Kashmir (I know, 29 minute album side)
B: In The Light/Ten Years Gone/The Wanton Song/Sick Again (25 mins)
Would it still be as good as the double album we all know and love? Personally, out of those tracks "In The Light", great as it is, is probably my least favourite.
I must say, of the 'outtakes' Page added, "The Rover" is the only one I consider decent. "Boogie With Stu" epitomizes "Filler", while "Night Flight" and "Down By The Seaside" are (along with "Thank You") the ONLY Zeppelin songs I honestly cannot stand. The others, I can pretty much take 'em or leave 'em.
So...all told, my single album version would be:
Custard Pie
The Rover
Trampled Under Foot
In My Time Of Dying
Kashmir
Ten Years Gone
The Wanton Song
Sick Again
Yeah...that works.
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My choice would probably be "Ten Years Gone"...awesome song, but it seemed to be a struggle for Zeppelin to put across live. Or maybe it was just their arrangement of it. Over ambitious? I mean, the triple neck/bass pedals combo was a good idea, but IMO I would rather have seen JPJ playing his bass. Under rehearsed? The OK City/Chicago renditions are pretty rough...
The performance of TYG at any given '77/'79 show is a good litmus test for the overall show, I'd say. If Page was on the ball (and didn't blow the solos, for example) and the band was into the song that night, it was usually a good show. Then there's performances such as the first Oakland show (23 July/77)...what the hell kind of solo was THAT???? Makes you kind of glad the Tempe TYG isn't in circulation...
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77 was the worst tour Zeppelin had.
Have you heard much from 1980 tour of Europe? '80 makes '77 seem like Zep's Golden Era. Maybe four of the 1980 shows -I'm being generous- are up to Zeppelin's standards (Zurich, Frankfurt, and arguably Vienna and Cologne). The rest they sound like a bad tribute band. Page is fucking smacked out of his mind, Plant didn't want to be there and is barely going through the motions, the booze was getting the better of Bonzo and Jonesy's synth sounds sucked! Plus the mid set repertoire of "The Rain Song", "Hot Dog" and "All My Love" killed any momentum the shows might have had. Bottom line, if '77 was bad (I wholeheartedly disagree, with all 36 available shows at home to back up my claim) than 1980 was a disaster. At that point something simply had to give, and unfortunately it was John Bonham.
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I actually disagree. Soundboards don't give you the live feel like good audience recordings do.
I'd have to agree...listening to the June 11 '77 New York show at the moment (fucking excellent "No Quarter"!) and I'd have to say, though the audience recording could be better, the soundboard snippet that's available just doesn't do the show justice. Audience recordings, though they take some getting used to, put you right in the center of the show. Most soundboards tend to sound almost like they're "live in the studio"...very little audience sounds at all. And, this is particularly true with latter-era Zeppelin, they tend to bring out the mistakes more!
...and, yes, folks, having made some further inquiries today, the Baton Rouge '77 show I mentioned earlier in the thread WILL soon be available. (No, it's not a soundboard, but I expect it to be a damn good audience recording!)
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Maryland shows weren't good Zeppelin shows, but they were better than much of the 77 tour. I haven't listened to all of them in a while. But the last 2 seemed to be the best.
I think if you want to listen to 77 the LA shows, Cleveland 4-27, and Houston 5-21 are about it.
The New York shows were pretty good, too...too bad they weren't recorded a bit better (but what the hell, Millard couldn't be everywhere!). The June 10th and 11th shows are personal favourites of mine...I'd put the 11th up against any of the LA shows.
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...I'd be inclined to say the 28th was the worst night of the Landover shows (I'm guessing you got hold of the newly released soundboard and not the fairly crappy sounding audience recording). The band, in general, sounds sluggish and tired. In that regard, it's pretty typical of 1977: particularly Page can go from sloppy to greatness from song to song. Apparently, he was well out of it at this show. Bonham was having an off night as well.
If you can, try and get hold of the fourth night- 30 May. Not only is it the best Landover show (alas, no soundboard has appeared...yet) but one of the best shows from the tour overall!
Where the pathologically lying con artist of a moderator intimates that he has this uncirculated source and that uncirculated source...bullshit that is guaranteed to keep all the Kool Aid drinking members of the site coming back for more? 
Difference between here and there, though is here you can actually discuss this kind of thing, whereas over there there is no speculation allowed! Why is that? Moderators' guilty conscience, perhaps???
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I knew from the get-go that Freezer had sent the show to specific people with specific instructions NOT to share it upload it anywhere. And these people comply 'cos they're afraid that if they go against Freezer's wishes that he'll turn off the tap to them. His fucking hoarder mentality is contagious, you know. I blabbed 'cos I wanted to goad Freezer into admitting that those were his intentions (which he did). Hell, there was one guy here on this forum (in another thread) who couldn't resist blabbing that he'd been sent the Baton Rouge show...until I pointed out that he'd been taken for a ride and it wasn't Baton Rouge '77 he'd been sent but one of the early '75 shows. And I don't beleive this particular rube had been back since.
Upset? Actually I was having a hell of a good time proving everything people said about Freezer and the RO con artists was true! 'Cos as soon as those Hotel bastards caught wind that BR'77 might make an appearance, they couldn't wait to tip off the bootleggers. Hell, I wouldn't have minded getting my hands on that show, but I also figured, what the hell- we've lived without it for thirty one years as it is.
I wasn't thrown to the wolves. I prefer the term 'self sacrifice'...martyrdom.
But this thread is about the bullshit Houston '77 video, right? I still maintain it doesn't exist, and was only another one of the Hotel's lies. And it's working, isn't it? People still join that group and kiss the moderators ass.
"Where DO these NEW SOURCES of old Led Zeppelin RUMOURS come from, anyway????"