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  1. Absolutely that's true. Yet, it's not that important either. My point is, don't make that point out to be more forgiving than it needs to be. The guy's review was what the kids today would call an "epic fail". That he stands by it to this day makes him a jackass, not just someone with a point of view. I'm willing to grant leniency based on then being different times, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't call a spade a spade. (sorry, couldn't resist ...that's not a racist expression, btw.)
  2. Well, if his goal was to be "coming from" ignoring what's important about music, and more specifically, at least a couple of the greatest songs (and greatest musicians) in rock history, I guess he was wildly successful.
  3. Takes some balls to not recant on his review even all these years later that basically amounted to overlooking all that musical brilliance and chemistry because he didn't find the lyrics poignant. I wouldn't want someone like that being even a casual fan of my band.
  4. First, thanks for that Otto! Where were you weeks ago? I pretty much had 85% accepted that was the chord anyway but it's also cool to see such a great behind the scenes. To tdc, anyone can have their opinion, I didn't care if you disagreed. I just found it annoying you didn't even say why...as if you were just ignoring my immediately previous post. As it turns out, well, you were, but apparently not on purpose so no harm done. To bouillon, wrong chord. That purple haze chord is not how Jimbo plays it. On a related note, notice that after Page shows Perry the chord he flubs it the first time playing it in time, then doesn't really try it again. It made me wonder if his ego didn't want Page watching him have to practice his chord, lol. Guitar playing is muscle memory. Even for guitar gods, if you've never done that exact chord shape before, you'll have to run through it some before you've got it down cold.
  5. On the album, why would you think he plays it as a C root when Page himself called it a G root chord? It also means you don't trust the tab from the magazine that interviewed Jimmy about it (the tabber specifically pointed out that the A-string 3rd fret is not being played but that people always think it is because JPJ's bass is in the mix)? Also consider that Jimmy specifically said the chord is unusual and you're suggesting very common chords instead. You could be right, but it's odd to gloss over that rather compelling evidence to the contrary. To clarify, when I was talking about the C9 no 3rd earlier, I was only referring to the chord that is formed when you add in Jonsey's bass playing the C. The live version I know nothing about. It may not be an overtly hard chord for a good guitarist, but neither is it an easy chord to finger quickly and without unintentional mutings ...unless you're used to classical guitar voicings or something. He may have played it different ways over the years out of laziness.
  6. Answering my own question here... I've now seen the magazine with my own eyes. It's transcribed by Jimmy Brown as 31033X...which is exactly how DewieCox said he plays it. You win Dewie, walk hard indeed! As Page suggested, it's quite different from most of this thread's guesses and other sheet music book's transcriptions rooted in C (apparently because that's the note JPJ plays). Of course, the interview was done by Brad Tolinski not Jimmy Brown so there's no way to know for sure that Brad got Page to show him the chord and Brad passed along that info correctly to transcriber Jimmy Brown, so this still might not be correct. But now we at least know what the magazine says (and apparently years ago GW transcribed it similarly but without the A-string note--as a straight forward Gminor). All we know for sure is that Jimmy referenced it as being a G chord. It was the interviewer that called it an astringent inversion. Reviewing the thread for thoughts that were on the right track... BTW huw, that's verbatim how Jimmy Brown described it "C9 (no 3rd)". Jimmy Brown has a Play the Best of Led Zeppelin lesson/backing tracks DVD that covers SIBLY, R&R, STH, & TSRTS.
  7. FireOpal, thanks for the info that it was actually from Guitar World November 2011. Online it didn't get posted until Dec. That link in the first post worked when I posted it. Guitar World must've removed it since then. Anyway, I'm sure I'll come across that issue one of these days. Here's another location for just the article: http://thefalconsnest.wordpress.com/tag/jimmy-page/
  8. The april 24th is one of my favorite zep live tracks ever. Agreed, the drums sound amazing. Moment after moment is riveting. I definitely prefer it to the 27th, though I'm not saying that one isn't good too ...and the 27th has a clearer sound quality. You do have to pay attention to which boot of the 24th you get though. Earlier on there was only the inferior sounding version (that I first heard on my bootleg collection boxed set I bought in the mid-90s...whatever that was called).
  9. To be clear, my point of view is that short of the possibility that Jimmy mentioned the chord, showed the interviewer, but the interviewer forgot or Guitar World's left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing and published a previously transcribed tab without the updated chord... ...There's no point in starting a debate when we don't have to. Nor should we have to try out different chords or ask Jimmy on his website. He already told us right there in a widely published magazine (and seemed to suggest that past tabs, including the ones I just posted were wrong) and if one of the dozens or more forum members who own that issue manage to read this thread, then hopefullly we'll know. So to whoever does have that issue, thank you in advance for letting us all know. I just don't want someone who has the issue to skim this thread and not reply because they think the orginal question about the magazine has been answered.
  10. I appreciate the anwers from you both, but still...no info how you came to that conclusion. That is, I still want to know what Guitar World Dec.2010 said it was. And maybe that's what both of you two were telling me, but you didn't specifically say so.
  11. Thanks for moving the post mod. I figured the musician's forum had been scrapped only because (I realize now) I had gotten myself in the Main Forum Subforums directory, which doesn't include this one. Bouillon, though that's close to what I vaguely remember, I have to ask if you are getting that literally from the recent magazine article tab...partially because it's hard to believe I could forget a chord shape so simple (though it wouldn't be the first time my absent mind failed me) but mainly because Jimmy himself suggested previous tabs had been incorrect and simply muting the questionable D string doesn't exactly seem like a revelation. A quick check of other tabs I have shows it being tabbed in these other ways that are similar except that extra D-string note. "Volume I" A: 3 D: 5 G: 3 B: 3 and "Led Zeppelin 3" A: 3 D: 2 G: 3 B: 3
  12. Hmmmm, I dont' see a 'musician's' forum so... Can anyone that gets Guitar World magazine tell me what that "block" chord was that Jimmy refers to in that Dec.(?)2010 issue where he is talking about the Immigrant Song outro? I read that on the newsstands but forgot what the chord was by the time I thought about it again at home. The online article features everything but the tab and I presume that Jimmy revealed to the tab author or interviewer what the chord was. The guitar world transcription was definitely different than how the Hal Leonard zeppelin 'wheatfield' collection one tabs it (and apparently others). (For further clarification, I'm talking about near the end where every few measures they all take a quick stop to play a single beat in unison.) http://www.guitarwor..._iii?page=0%2C1 "PAGE: It’s a block chord that people never get right. It pulls the whole tension of the piece into another area or another dimension just for that moment. And a bit of backward echo makes it a bit more complete. "
  13. As Laura and others said, for those of us who weren't around back then, it's a treat to read such a detailed, exciting concert experience story. I literally got goosebumps a few times. Reading your post made me think of how I'd never been a huge fan of TSRTS (the song) until I heard it live at my first Page/Plant concert. So powerful and I remember thinking the atmostphere was like Beatlemania when they opened with it. It almost blows my mind to imagine what it must've been like to see those songs performed by the actual Led Zeppelin in their prime, but you did such a good job of describing it, I guess I don't have to Some months ago I went to the Jason Bonham Zep Experience expecting myself to enjoy a great cover band and get some Bonzo history. I think subconciously I had never had any serious thought of actually hearing some of those Zeppelin tunes live in person, as clearly that era has passed...or really anything even convincingly sounding like I'd imagine the proficient and powerful Zeppelin had sounded back in the day. So I was totally caught off guard to find myself choked up at points, able to close my eyes and let my imagination convince me I was hearing, at least, the original Led Zeppelin playing live. ...especially since some of those songs Page/Plant never got around to doing (and anyway, Page/Plant had a different feel, IMO). So it was a very satisfying experience and if I had forgotten what the band meant to me back when I discovered them at 14 and then spent the next decade obsessing, I was viscerally reminded of it then. Anyway, the point to that little aside is ...reading your story also took me to that place. So thank you for that. Only thing that makes me wonder about is your age. 10 years old? You were probably still wetting your bed a few short years prior and now you're engaged in minutes-long passionate french kisses in public and thinking things like "baby steps...baby steps"? Assuming your main source was your jounals, the way you recognized and analyzed the show's goings-on is almost unbelievably adult. It's impressive that you understood the significance of what you were witnessing. Obviously, a lot of it was written from your now-adult perspective so maybe if I reread it I'd see it was consistant with that explanation. As for your girlfriend...Robert Plant might as well have been a geezer to an 11 year-old girl. Pre-teens like Justin Beiber, teenage Leif Garret types, not hairy chested guys who could pass for 30, no? But I've never been an 11 year-old girl. EDIT: oh, though the part about your girl literally getting scared during Dazed sounds pretty legitimately like a kid experience, haha.
  14. Also, and I guess I'll make a proper post in the master forum if no one here knows, but...can anyone that gets Guitar World magazine tell me what that "block" chord was that Jimmy refers to in that Dec.?2010 issue where he is talking about the Immigrant Song outro? I read that on the newsstands but forgot what the chord was by the time I thought about it again at home. The online article doesn't feature the tab. http://www.guitarworld.com/article/jimmy_page_discusses_led_zeppelin_iii?page=0%2C1 "PAGE: Its a block chord that people never get right. It pulls the whole tension of the piece into another area or another dimension just for that moment. And a bit of backward echo makes it a bit more complete. "
  15. I'm the OP. I eventually got the Bluray and did an A-B comparison. Note that my TV's upscaling could be different from yours, but I also have done this comparision with other DVDs/Blurays so my conclusions should still be sound in a relative sense. The difference is significant, but not large. However, and this is part of the reason I started thinking about the Bluray when I already owned the DVD in the first place, even though the DVD may look better than the VHS, it doesn't look good for a DVD. Because of this, the medium jump in quality going from DVD to Bluray makes it definitely worth it for any real Zep fan...and my TV is only 32". My Bourne Supremacy DVD, for example, looks very similar to my Bluray version of it, and it is fairly sharp for just a DVD. It's almost like they gimped the TSRTS DVD version on purpose to make the Bluray look better in comparison because they realised the Bluray doesn't quite match up to standards of Bluray concerts that were filmed more recently. I'm mostly referring to compression. On the DVD, large areas of blacks have blocky-ness to them that the Bluray doensn't have. Obviously the DVD will be lower-res, but there's no reason for it to have blocky artifacts. Also, apparently because the original film was filmed at or near 25fps (bluray standard), you don't get those trasition frames on the bluray like you do on the dvd (29.97fps in the US)...that is, where an extra frame is created by blending two side-by-side frames together. Maybe that's not a big deal since it's just an extra frame. Here's a specific example, in TSRTS (song) there's a part with Robert walking though something like a wheat field. On the DVD large patches of this wheatfield are just one swath of blurry tan color, and without seeing it within context of what's around it, you wouldn't even know it's supposed to be a mass of individual blades. But on the Bluray you can easily make out vertical line-like textures that make it clear it's a mass of some sort of field growth. You can't make out individual blades or anything (again, I wouldn't say the Bluray looks good for a modern release), but to go from blurry mass of abstract colors to vertical line-like textures is significant. Another example, on the Bluray when Bonzo is being fastened in his drag racer and the cameraman is right at the front of his dragster, the last few frames as Bonzo blinks...just before it switches to a closeup of him playing his kit, there's an oval sticker to each side of the main/centered sticker that I believe says something like Drag Racing Championship (if that's wrong, it's only because I forgot since yesterday). On the DVD you can't even tell for sure that's it's words, much less make out what it says. So there you go. I recommend the Bluray to fans over the DVD for visual quality. Though my DVD has the Cameron Crowe interview and a proper main menu, while the Bluray only has a pop-over menu for song selection and an extras menu (the Bluray autostarts right to the movie since there is not main menu).
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