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  1. Oh sorry.... you wanted something I DON'T like ? JPJ's jacket in TSRTS, looking like Christmastree baubles hanging off it .. And the hair is a serious problem at that point. Trivial objections, huh? More seriously I agree with the point about the very limited filming of Led Zep. Limiting interviews ( to foster mystique) was a strategy which can be easily understood . Limiting controlled filming seems tragically wrong. Documentaries have emerged featuring the Stones ( Gimme Shelter, lots of backstage footage) and David Bowie. In each case, controls were clearly put in place over the material at the time, and hence there are tight rules over their use. But they exist. Someone at the time had the vision to see what access might enable .. and also to retain control over it. I think that is Led Zeppelin's failing. I wouldn't entirely blame Peter Grant : I rather think Jimmy was the one who felt cameras would steal his soul ( indeed perhaps he still does ) . What a huge reflection of their legacy has been missed as a result. As years go by that feels like more of an omission.
  2. Just to add: kiwi led zep fan/porgie66/valeriesunshine ... without meaning to sound lewd I do not have a problem with "push push push" and the great virtue of that and all other such moaning allusions was that YES, IT WAS SUPER-EMBARRASSING FOR YOUR PARENTS TO HEAR WITH YOU ! I guess I didn't have the problem ( or the pleasure ) of a parent who wanted at all to listen to Led Zeppelin . I lost out on bonding .. but all of that helps you carve out a bit of teenage territory.
  3. OH ! I have only just come across this thread and am almost speechless . But sorry guys, actually not speechless. So from this thread, on balance, the Led Zeppelin fandom is expressing the view that the problem with the band is TOO MUCH SEX ?!?! WTF ?? The sex IS Led Zeppelin and when you talk about the musicality, certainly of early Led Zeppelin, you are talking about the use of (technically brilliant) music as an expression of sex. It is lemonsqueezingcrotchgrippinghandwavinggirlsblousewearingposturingmoaninggroaningscreamingoh.my.god.allaboutsex. Kellygirl is thoughtful and forgiving enough to think that LZ's sexuality is just a female thing. But that can't be right : how does that expression of red-blooded raw male sexuality - matched totally to their music - NOT work for their male audience ? Apart from Kellygirl I am relieved to read the posts of Mithril46, Walter and Blindwillie .. thank you, so I'm not going mad. But I'm still reeling a little from some of these comments. I'm actually really questioning my appreciation of that music... of course some of their songs are not overtly sexual, but I can't imagine not seeing their music through that prism . Yes, it's quality music. But if I COULD see it in a more neutered form, I don't think I could love it so much. As Philip Larkin said " Sexual Intercourse began in 1963 .. between the end of the Chatterley ban and the Beatles' first LP" . What happened next ? Did it END again after thirty years or so ? Some of these comments make me wonder ...
  4. Leader column from The Guardian . http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/12/the-guardian-view-on-stairway-to-heaven-its-on-another-page They're careful to refer to British courts and not to second-guess US ones. Let's hope that caution is unnecessary.
  5. Oooh I love a compliment ... so let me get it right : it's a first that you've ever agreed with anything I've posted ? Or with anyone at all on these forums ? Do tell... There is always an opposing view, and you are gifted at finding it! Someone here needs to make those trenchant observations .. and you certainly deliver ! I'm happy to concede on the bit you objected to: don't really care about the title of this thread, only that it's there and that people are making interesting points . Ross 62's post in particular: it sent me straight to that Blackstar video. So much of this new material feels like a final statement, carefully orchestrated... and now we have Tony Visconti claiming that a week before his death, DB was calling him about some extra demos and how they could make a further album : after looking at this one as a final offering, it throws you to think that more was on the way . If that is at all true.. As you say, Jimmy's response to all this can only be a matter of speculation. But naively, perhaps, I would like to think that his edgy and incidental connections with David Bowie might be enough to induce him to think about a late statement of his own. He's alluded a few times to a posthumous autobiography ( even suggested recently that it was under way) and I can't get too excited about that one : how could he ever drop the guard he maintains in all he says and writes ? It's always, and only, his music, rather than words, which is an open channel, fluent and communicative. Whether he does actually use that to make a statement is also, of course, a matter of speculation.
  6. David Bowie's death is rightly being mourned . But alongside that, the circumstances of his death should give anyone pause : a life of innovation and iconoclasm, and his final creative burst: songs and meticulously devised videos, which are both esoteric and replete with meaning. Even if you don't literally mourn him, there are messages to draw from a creative life lived as his was; strong messages too about death. It's given me a lot to think about this week and I'm sure that's true for many others. I can't help but wonder how JP would view it . His comment on his Facebook page : David Bowie was an innovator, a unique artist with a vision that changed the face of popular music. He is greatly missed. Rest in peace, David. JP That's so gracious, and entirely due . But how did these two musicians ultimately view each other ? Each of them supremely talented, yet on different musical trajectories: no obvious case for rivalry in that sense. But their paths crossed: each of them involved with Lori Maddox, Jimmy outbidding Bowie for the Tower House, Bowie's ( doubtless) drug-raddled paranoia about being in the same room as Jimmy . Bowie's open lyrical reference to Crowley, and Kabbalah, and other hints of occultism ...vs Jimmy's guarded public expression of an interest which - as far as we know - ran deeper than DB's. ( Debatable: who knows ? JP is deeply consistent and DB characterised by his changeability : this one can't be measured ). In my own life, I think about workplace rivalry and how people eye each other up, engage in standoffs, expend a lot of energy in animosity .. before time moves on and they realise there are other battles to fight; respect is allowed in... and in time it's even possible to grasp that the other person is really quite a good thing.. So I wonder very much about how Jimmy might view the demise of David Bowie. Someone who uses the end of his life to underline his creative powers. Someone gifted with an urge to reinvention, which sustained his career. Does that impact on Jimmy's resolve for the future? It shouldn't, but it might .. Their birthdays are a day ( + 3 years ) apart. But Bowie's Aquarius ascendant and moon in Leo are a big contrast to Jimmy's water signs: Scorpio rising and Cancer moon. That's just one, shorthand, way of expressing their profound differences. But the question remains: how does he see this moment and how does he process it? And, friends, that is why this topic is not your standard RIP thread.
  7. My biggest issue with Outrider. As you say, absolutely sterling music on Prison Blues, musically one of the jewels of the album - but with lyrics that turn me off it again and again. Just crass .
  8. Great that he's won! It strikes a blow against all the unthinking redevelopment which is happening in London at the moment . And is utterly to Jimmy's credit as far as the Tower House is concerned. However this victory is due to the plans being withdrawn : had the council been allowed to judge in Jimmy's favour, it might have set a stronger precedent. What will Robbie do next ? Give up and sell up ? Or was this a strategic withdrawal: will he be back with new proposals ? I have a feeling this one will run and run ...
  9. Jimmy fights on. The public link below is the latest submission. Evidently Jimmy has sought expert advice and has built a compelling case. Good luck to him. http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/idoxWAM/doc/Objection%20Comment-1418970.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=1418970&location=volume2&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=12
  10. Thanks Sam The one at 1700 was longer - really good watch. Doesn't look like it's on YouTube though ...
  11. WHO knows .. I think the intention is there but other things get in the way. But the quote which started this thread is just another brief quote : a necessary answer to a question at a press event. After all he said in the autumn he's committed to keeping the idea running. And looking at what he said in the autumn, that also began with a casual suggestion at a press event, but in the slew of interviews which followed, his comments became more embellished, perhaps under pressure from interviewers. We may see that this time, as he's obviously embarking on many more interviews. It must become impossible as enthusiastic questions and follow-ups are asked, to say " well let's not get carried away here ..". I've heard of two one-off projects he might have been involved in, coinciding with the last and with the present publicity campaign, each of which didn't come to pass, presumably because his publicity was put first. If he does have a concrete plan, the point will come where THAT takes precedence. Meanwhile he's seemingly embarked on a new relationship. Let's hope that in spite of having an apparently serious girlfriend, he'll still call his guitar, as he has many times, "my wife and my mistress" .
  12. More news on the Stairway lawsuit. Only, not much news : they're still debating where the hearing should take place ... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-04/jimmy-page-at-center-of-lawsuit-over-zeppelin-s-stairway-riff?cmpid=yhoo
  13. Great post, Scylla! Never knew about Bishop's Avenue and kind of glad I didn't!
  14. Hi yellowrose, I believe the photo was taken at Cardiff Castle itself, though annoyingly I can't find where I read it. I also visited Cardiff Castle many years ago and the photo you posted looks like that. But I did find this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/3730777.stm Good luck to Jimmy, and huge credit to him for taking on the great mantle of responsibility involved in caring for the Tower House.
  15. I'm not doubting your sources at all but that seems very premature: it appears at the moment they can't even agree where to hold the hearing .... Unless they simply want to avoid it and would rather settle out of court ( now IV has been re released? )
  16. Indi, thanks for all the detail in that post. Looking at the floor plans, I'd love to know what Jimmy keeps in the Armoury ... presumably all his guitars???
  17. Thanks Zepcollect. That is SUCH a Jeff Buckley statement. Not hard to imagine Jimmy picking up on it, but better to know that it came from Jeff, just seems right.
  18. The news coverage is drawn from this link ( if it works ) which is publicly available on the council's website. http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/idoxWAM/doc/Objection%20Comment-1388010.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=1388010&location=volume2&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=2
  19. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2909687/Robbie-Williams-angers-neighbour-Jimmy-Page-mansion-plans.html Here is the Mail Online's version complete with architect's drawings ! I predict a lot of coverage in UK print newspapers tomorrow : most of them love a planning row between neighbours and the fact that these two protagonists are so well known will only add fuel to the argument. It's a pretty interesting story in terms of London's architectural heritage: in the east, the City of London and much of the Thames has seen major and controversial development, there's an ongoing row about how development is destroying Soho's character with the closure of old bars, music venues and a threat also to the musician's haven of Denmark Street ... and in Kensington, not far from Jimmy's Tower House, the unique Commonwealth building has been knocked down in favour of a huge tower block which is pretty inconsistent with the area. I'm no expert in planning laws but in spite of the fate of the Commonwealth building, I'd have thought that Kensington and Chelsea council is more conservative and more sympathetic to issues of heritage than some other areas. Plus the immediate area of the Tower House is valued for its Arts and Crafts connections, and includes other architectural gems. The heritage status of those roads is an issue which may well have crossed their path before now.. Obviously no one is threatening to demolish the Tower House, far from it, but they may be inclined to sympathise with Mr Page's complaint ...
  20. Hi Scarlet, Plenty of versions on Youtube: try this one Jimmy is certainly aware of the comparison and made it himself ( no doubt deliberately!) during several of his recent promotional interviews i.e. this one And if anyone doubts his familiarity with Bach's Bourree back in the day, he's heard to play a couple of phrases from it during the Heartbreaker solo on How the West Was Won. Perhaps on other occasions too, if anyone's heard it ..?
  21. I feel so sure it will ! If his website does a retrospective this time next year .. how about some audio on it and not just promo photos ? Been here long enough to get the cynicism and in many ways to share it .. but I think the wind has changed ..
  22. That's a wonderful story . You have great strength .. and an amazing mother to give you advice like that! I think most of us here know about the power of music, particularly Led Zeppelin's, but not all of us are challenged, as you were, to understand on how deep a level music can speak to us, and to confront and to use the energies it gives you. I am sure Jimmy would have been touched by your letter.
  23. What a fabulous photo edit Scylla ... can't help but think of the painstaking time Jimmy took to work on his book .. and you've pulled this lot together in no time ! I know the circumstances are different but you have a great eye for a genius photo .
  24. Thanks for posting Aen And so I went to the "shop" page .... the choices being Art/Book/Clothing/Home/Music Art: we're in the high end zone here: the signed prints evidently not-quite-sold-out but still commanding their £1250 plus , and unarguably high class stuff..Great! ( though haven't quite found the money yet .. ) Book : well the high class version sold out a couple of years ago as some of us know to our cost: the new one looks ace - but try Amazon not JP for 35% off the full price Clothing: uh-oh a bit of a downturn here. In usual merch fashion the goods are male-fit T Shirts, and bland enough to undermine the otherwise cool Lucifer Rising design: ladies, if you're planning to look your best you may want to keep that ill-fitting Lucifer Rising T Shirt in the back of the wardrobe ... Home : Oh Dear. This is the low point I feel.. Possibly that JP logo retains enough magick to stop you throwing the mug out together with the Santa mug and that other thing your in-laws gave you ... And I ask you: £13 ? From a man who frequents Poundshops ? Music : Last on the list: ludicrously so, how could that be ? Speaks for itself and outclasses the rest of the merch list. What a kaleidoscope, what a lottery of retail opportunity ! It really is all over the place... Thank God we are led to think that Jimmy is planning to extend his musical presence in 2015. Anything but his marketing presence ....
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