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  1. Oh sorry.... you wanted something I DON'T like ? JPJ's jacket in TSRTS, looking like Christmastree baubles hanging off it .. And the hair is a serious problem at that point. Trivial objections, huh? More seriously I agree with the point about the very limited filming of Led Zep. Limiting interviews ( to foster mystique) was a strategy which can be easily understood . Limiting controlled filming seems tragically wrong. Documentaries have emerged featuring the Stones ( Gimme Shelter, lots of backstage footage) and David Bowie. In each case, controls were clearly put in place over the material at the time, and hence there are tight rules over their use. But they exist. Someone at the time had the vision to see what access might enable .. and also to retain control over it. I think that is Led Zeppelin's failing. I wouldn't entirely blame Peter Grant : I rather think Jimmy was the one who felt cameras would steal his soul ( indeed perhaps he still does ) . What a huge reflection of their legacy has been missed as a result. As years go by that feels like more of an omission.
  2. Just to add: kiwi led zep fan/porgie66/valeriesunshine ... without meaning to sound lewd I do not have a problem with "push push push" and the great virtue of that and all other such moaning allusions was that YES, IT WAS SUPER-EMBARRASSING FOR YOUR PARENTS TO HEAR WITH YOU ! I guess I didn't have the problem ( or the pleasure ) of a parent who wanted at all to listen to Led Zeppelin . I lost out on bonding .. but all of that helps you carve out a bit of teenage territory.
  3. OH ! I have only just come across this thread and am almost speechless . But sorry guys, actually not speechless. So from this thread, on balance, the Led Zeppelin fandom is expressing the view that the problem with the band is TOO MUCH SEX ?!?! WTF ?? The sex IS Led Zeppelin and when you talk about the musicality, certainly of early Led Zeppelin, you are talking about the use of (technically brilliant) music as an expression of sex. It is lemonsqueezingcrotchgrippinghandwavinggirlsblousewearingposturingmoaninggroaningscreamingoh.my.god.allaboutsex. Kellygirl is thoughtful and forgiving enough to think that LZ's sexuality is just a female thing. But that can't be right : how does that expression of red-blooded raw male sexuality - matched totally to their music - NOT work for their male audience ? Apart from Kellygirl I am relieved to read the posts of Mithril46, Walter and Blindwillie .. thank you, so I'm not going mad. But I'm still reeling a little from some of these comments. I'm actually really questioning my appreciation of that music... of course some of their songs are not overtly sexual, but I can't imagine not seeing their music through that prism . Yes, it's quality music. But if I COULD see it in a more neutered form, I don't think I could love it so much. As Philip Larkin said " Sexual Intercourse began in 1963 .. between the end of the Chatterley ban and the Beatles' first LP" . What happened next ? Did it END again after thirty years or so ? Some of these comments make me wonder ...
  4. Leader column from The Guardian . http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/12/the-guardian-view-on-stairway-to-heaven-its-on-another-page They're careful to refer to British courts and not to second-guess US ones. Let's hope that caution is unnecessary.
  5. Great that he's won! It strikes a blow against all the unthinking redevelopment which is happening in London at the moment . And is utterly to Jimmy's credit as far as the Tower House is concerned. However this victory is due to the plans being withdrawn : had the council been allowed to judge in Jimmy's favour, it might have set a stronger precedent. What will Robbie do next ? Give up and sell up ? Or was this a strategic withdrawal: will he be back with new proposals ? I have a feeling this one will run and run ...
  6. Jimmy fights on. The public link below is the latest submission. Evidently Jimmy has sought expert advice and has built a compelling case. Good luck to him. http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/idoxWAM/doc/Objection%20Comment-1418970.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=1418970&location=volume2&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=12
  7. More news on the Stairway lawsuit. Only, not much news : they're still debating where the hearing should take place ... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-04/jimmy-page-at-center-of-lawsuit-over-zeppelin-s-stairway-riff?cmpid=yhoo
  8. Great post, Scylla! Never knew about Bishop's Avenue and kind of glad I didn't!
  9. Hi yellowrose, I believe the photo was taken at Cardiff Castle itself, though annoyingly I can't find where I read it. I also visited Cardiff Castle many years ago and the photo you posted looks like that. But I did find this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/3730777.stm Good luck to Jimmy, and huge credit to him for taking on the great mantle of responsibility involved in caring for the Tower House.
  10. I'm not doubting your sources at all but that seems very premature: it appears at the moment they can't even agree where to hold the hearing .... Unless they simply want to avoid it and would rather settle out of court ( now IV has been re released? )
  11. Indi, thanks for all the detail in that post. Looking at the floor plans, I'd love to know what Jimmy keeps in the Armoury ... presumably all his guitars???
  12. Thanks Zepcollect. That is SUCH a Jeff Buckley statement. Not hard to imagine Jimmy picking up on it, but better to know that it came from Jeff, just seems right.
  13. The news coverage is drawn from this link ( if it works ) which is publicly available on the council's website. http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/idoxWAM/doc/Objection%20Comment-1388010.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=1388010&location=volume2&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=2
  14. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2909687/Robbie-Williams-angers-neighbour-Jimmy-Page-mansion-plans.html Here is the Mail Online's version complete with architect's drawings ! I predict a lot of coverage in UK print newspapers tomorrow : most of them love a planning row between neighbours and the fact that these two protagonists are so well known will only add fuel to the argument. It's a pretty interesting story in terms of London's architectural heritage: in the east, the City of London and much of the Thames has seen major and controversial development, there's an ongoing row about how development is destroying Soho's character with the closure of old bars, music venues and a threat also to the musician's haven of Denmark Street ... and in Kensington, not far from Jimmy's Tower House, the unique Commonwealth building has been knocked down in favour of a huge tower block which is pretty inconsistent with the area. I'm no expert in planning laws but in spite of the fate of the Commonwealth building, I'd have thought that Kensington and Chelsea council is more conservative and more sympathetic to issues of heritage than some other areas. Plus the immediate area of the Tower House is valued for its Arts and Crafts connections, and includes other architectural gems. The heritage status of those roads is an issue which may well have crossed their path before now.. Obviously no one is threatening to demolish the Tower House, far from it, but they may be inclined to sympathise with Mr Page's complaint ...
  15. Hi Scarlet, Plenty of versions on Youtube: try this one Jimmy is certainly aware of the comparison and made it himself ( no doubt deliberately!) during several of his recent promotional interviews i.e. this one And if anyone doubts his familiarity with Bach's Bourree back in the day, he's heard to play a couple of phrases from it during the Heartbreaker solo on How the West Was Won. Perhaps on other occasions too, if anyone's heard it ..?
  16. That's a wonderful story . You have great strength .. and an amazing mother to give you advice like that! I think most of us here know about the power of music, particularly Led Zeppelin's, but not all of us are challenged, as you were, to understand on how deep a level music can speak to us, and to confront and to use the energies it gives you. I am sure Jimmy would have been touched by your letter.
  17. What a fabulous photo edit Scylla ... can't help but think of the painstaking time Jimmy took to work on his book .. and you've pulled this lot together in no time ! I know the circumstances are different but you have a great eye for a genius photo .
  18. http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-09-18/led-zeppelin-says-stairway-to-heaven-suit-should-be-tossed-or-moved-to-california Report here from Bloomberg to say that lawyers for the band are trying to get the case moved to California...
  19. Scylla I'm in awe - partly because of your amazing facility to post SO many images .. but also this comment is spot on and very funny! JP's decision to go silver was absolutely inspired - but for so many years in between there was frankly a crashingly artificial dark head of hair. It did look as if your Just for Men theory was going on ... but it's odd if so because I don't think Jimmy has issues about not appearing vain.. As for your preceding photos : thanks for the cheerful sequence, lovely to see .. And as to the others, God bless the bodyguards, whoever they were.. they obviously had their work cut out and to see them action is to feel pretty grateful..
  20. And I should add my total agreement about the hair dye and the Karl Lagerfeld looks !
  21. Wow Scylla .. Thanks for all that you post, and it seems you have a command of the less wonderful images as well as the lovelier ones, and I can't think where you find them all .. I do think you've almost posted too many photos to prove your point ( some aren't really bad, they're just taken at an untimely moment ! ) But of the bad ones, there is an obvious one which is so painful to see, and I wonder if it would be better not to post? I also find it so hard to recognise Jimmy in the penultimate one: the jacket seems identical to the one worn in the final photo you posted , and the grey-TShirt guys are also similar in the last two photos. But he looks SO different : what do you know about the dates/circumstances ?
  22. Quote ..( from a rather obscure source) : "Into the dream you came And across the soft carpet of my reverie you walked With Hobnail Boots. " Not much to add. Totally execrable. Beyond bad. Also really shocking that with so much money and creative talent to back up MC, no one could come up with something less brutal and less of a total abuse of what went before.. Nothing more appropriate than the title of this thread. We are indeed in unrelated places.
  23. If everyone has read the bloomberg link posted by Reggie29, then you must all have followed up and done their quiz : http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-05-15/the-stairway-to-heaven-game-did-led-zeppelin-steal-the-greatest-song-opening-in-rock-history On the "hard" setting, it's perfect if, like me, you know Stairway very well but struggle to sight read ... What I haven't worked out is whether the four inaccurate bars are anything to do with Taurus ...
  24. Thanks Scylla .. and it just makes you wonder how many snaps the photographer took to end up with so many great smiley images? Probably a lot, but even if there were rejects, that's still such a catalogue of beautiful and happy pics ...
  25. I came across this image where it was described as a bootleg produced in the USSR . However I've also read that when the fourth album was released, the Soviet authorities replaced the image of the old man in tune with nature, in order to present a more modern proletarian image ... i.e. this version is actually how the fourth album appeared when released in the Soviet Union. Any idea where the truth lies ..?
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