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Geezer

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  1. Get back on thread? I've never digressed.

    You're not explaining anything, you're just going in circles over "everything that Page has done needs to be respected". I was going to elaborate but you seem to be absolutely the worst kind of a fanboy because you seemingly think your favorite musicians and bands are not subject to criticism.

    Now go and troll elsewhere, fool.

  2. Are you insane? First, you don't even know what trolling means. Second, calling someone a troll and then saying "no offense intended" makes you look stupid.

    Third, "Jimmy wants XYZ" is not an argument.

    Forget about the editing for a second. What about mastering? Does Jimmy prefer a flattened drum sound? No. Personally, I think it's Kevin Shirley who's the main culprit.

    Fourth, I know enough about Jimmy's production skills in the studio and I think he's one of the best producers. Doesn't automatically mean Zep's live albums are good.

  3. I disagree with this entire approach.

    After all this discussion you construed that I don't like bootlegs? I love bootlegs and I hate Jimmy's production on these particular releases. I can't see how anyone who knows at least anything about audio engineering can like what was done with these terrific concerts.

    You still haven't provided any arguments as to why editing and bad mastering and the "Kevin Shirley thing" are excusable. Honestly, you're coming off as a fanboy.

  4. I know all of that stuff. What you're failing to grasp is that none of Zep's live releases have been acclaimed by audiophiles or anyone. In fact, I've seen many people criticize most of Zep's live releases for different things, myself included. So yeah, I don't think Jimmy is a good "live album producer" because I've seen much better live albums than TSRTS. Even HTWWW has many edits - this is just inexcusable.

    Re: "I have yet to hear many bootlegs that are better sound quality than an official release in my opinion" - how can a soundboard tape sound better than a professionally mixed multitracked audio? We're talking about editing here. Unedited shows are always better than edited ones.

  5. My point is that if Deep Purple can "risk" releasing a live album that consists of three consecutive concerts, so can Zep. There's absolutely no question that any Zep product will be at least a slight commercial success.

    Jimmy is an excellent studio producer, but releasing a live album does not need production skills at all. There are only two steps - mixing and mastering. The less edits/overdubs there are, the better the overall product is.

    I don't understand how you can look at this in a different way.

  6. I doubt very much that the audio of the bootleg came from the multitrack - it was a most likely a soundboard source recorded straight to stereo from the engineers desk (Roberts voice has that horrid harmoniser on it :( blech)

    There was only one feed coming from Jimmy's cabinet.

    I don't understand why Jimmy wanted to include TYG from Knebworth but not something like Kashmir from Earls Court or other better performances.

  7. Dick Carruthers or Kevin Shirley has said that only three of the gigs were multitracked, and there were problems with the bass drum on the 23rd, as you pointed out. I've never heard anything regarding the footage from the other nights (17-18-23).

    Thanks Steve.

    I'd like to make one more point for the 'why don't they release the entire show' brigade for EC and especially Knebworth - Jimmy (and Kevin Shirley I believe) has stated that there were some songs that he would loved to have included on the DVD, but that the audio was incomplete or unusable for whatever reason. One case in point being 'Ten Years Gone' from Knebworth, where Jimmy's guitar simply didn't make it onto tape - a cracking performance, but completely unsalvageable.

    There's nothing wrong with the audio of the bootleg.
  8. I don't think any videotaped material can be mixed with 35mm footage for a motion picture, even if it's 2-inch 16-track. Honestly, the Earls Court footage doesn't look any better than other videotaped concerts from the same era.

    Other than that, I agree with you. The theory of shooting another concert in 1975 seems to be false simply because the band had already shot fantasy sequences and the Shepperton footage.

  9. The Earls court was videotaped, not filmed. None of that footage could've been used for a motion picture and the band knew that. If there were discussions of additional concert filming in 1975 - more than a year before TSRTS was released - then what makes you think they wouldn't slip that footage into TSRTS, especially since the editing process proved to be so much pain in the ass?

    Let's drop the issue. I don't think there's anything to discuss anymore - the filming didn't happen.

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