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Perhaps Jimmy is to guitar playing what Ayrton Senna was to formula one: an unpredictable, unorthodox genius, always pushing and constantly on the edge, moments from victory or seconds away from complete failure, not technically amazing but with amazing feel, risk takers - and sometimes it came off and sometimes it didn't...but it didn't stop them from trying. Not sure why that comparison came into my my mind...but there you go. But yes, Jimmy is definitely a "sloppy player" - of that there is no dispute.
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You have to admire how after the death of an irreplaceable member of the band they disbanded; refusing to carry on and shamelessly stay in the public eye any which way they could, be that via boy band collaborations, musicals with Ben Elton and touring with the runner up of American Idol. Not to mention the licensing of their music to countless adverts, and generally turning up to the opening of an envelope to talk about past glories and/or their latest collaboration/tour. Yes, I just love how they never sold out and are in no way an over saturated, overplayed karaoke band for the masses to sing along to at sporting events.
Living in the U.K one hardly ever hears Queen on the radio or on the television, so thank you so much for a much needed thread to remind us of this notoriously media shy band's back catalogue.
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Excellent researching. That video alone should be enough to knock this ridiculous claim out of the ball park. Though in reality it would probably just turn in to a litigation clusterf**k with everyone suing everyone else for a piece of the pie.
Thanks. Ultimately, you can't copyright a chord progression, which is the case here. Would be very surprised if they (Spirit) win this case and if they do I should think it would open the floodgates and set a dangerous precedence.
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I did a vid a while back regarding how there are many songs that share a descending minor chord progression with Stairway...
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I do like this theory because if correct it allows Jimmy's claim to remain true.
Even if one has never played a guitar, It's pretty clear that the riffs both use the same strings and many of the same notes. You can actually play it differently to this tab to achieve the same sound. For example, on the second section of Shake My Tree you could just as easily slide from from the "2" to the "4" (that's how I play it) and then that section would mirror Nobody's Fault But Mine even more.
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^ with all due respect, no, I don't hear any obvious similarity (but a more musically-trained ear could, probably)
With similar due respect, they demonstrably are
Although, my theory has always been that Jimmy is plagiarising himself because the Nobody's Fault But Mine riff is - in part - the Shake My Tree riff slowed down and reversed (with the latter using almost the exact same notes as the former) Who knows though except Jimmy? I've never heard of him lifting anything before, so let's give him the benefit of the doubt besides, it only becomes official when people have noticed it and are arguing in the comment section of the video. I can find no mention of it. All I can find is this accusation of plagiarism directed at The Tragically Hip :This comment has received too many negative votes
They stole the music from John Andersons Swingin
· Oh my sweet fuck, you are onto something. Though, to be fair, many songs are similar to other songs.
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"I knew something was wrong when a little pretty white girl ran into a black man's arms"
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And let's not forget that Plant has made plenty of pithy comments of a dismissive and derisory nature directed at musicians who he feels are beneath him. By all accounts - Robert can be a bit of a bitch when he wants to
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As far as Bonham not having any swing to his playing.. that is ridiculous.
Compared to Ginger Baker who was much more of a Jazz Drummer, yeah he didn't swing as much.
But Baker really doesn't rock! Not a slam on him either.. He certainly can, like he did on PIL's Generic album... it's just not really his thing.
Drummers are either top kit players, players that lead with their hands ...
Jazz players tend to lead with their hands, which are very busy. The Bass Drum and Hi-Hat tend to just add color and accents.
Ginger Baker plays like this.. and very well.
Or, they're Bottom Kit players, players that lead with their feet.
John Bonham played from the ground up...his feet led the way... He was more about Groove and Soul than he was about Jazz... He had the best feet in the business.. That constant left foot on the Hi-Hat / Tamborine all the way through Moby Dick is as impressive as his flying hands.. His right foot was without a doubt the best in Rock Drumming..... and yeah he could also swing like an MF when he wanted to..
A good example of the difference of a top kit and bottom kit players would be to listen to the 2 different Drummers in Yes.. Bill Bruford and Alan White. Both are incredible, but Bill is much more of a top kit Jazz guy and Alan is more of a Bottom Bass Drum heavy player.. Both styles work very well.
A lot of Jazz guys are jerks to non Jazzers.. always have been..
Interesting
On a side note: it's odd how John Lydon is mates with Ginger Baker because on paper you'd think they'd end up killing each other. Even more odd is that Lydon seems to cite Cream as an influence.
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I've heard plenty of people diss both the Beatles and Bob Dylan over the years. In last week's Rolling Stone issue, Donald Fagen disses Dylan's live act pretty heavily.
The Gallagher brothers don't really have clout to be dismissive towards anyone. They were
onethree hit wonders, who were hyped as the next Beatles and imploded because they had shit personalities. They're now equally famous for their attitude as they are for Wonderwall.OK, Donald Fagan - that's one:P Joni Mitchell recently, that's two. I don't think Dylan and The Beatles evoke the same vitriol or hate as some other artists have towards Zep. Maybe that's because Page and co also stole a lot of people's girlfriends back in the day
see also: Todd Rundgren and Elvis Costello.In regard to Oasis, I think they hyped themselves as the next Beatles
and, I don't like to assume, but if I were to guess I'd say you weren't living in the U.K circa 1994, to let's say, 2000? because Oasis were not one-hit wonders here: their debut album was the fastest selling debut of all-time and the follow up has become the fifth biggest seller in the U.K (Outselling Jackson's Thriller and Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon) they were the biggest band of the 90's in this country. I know they are perceived differently in the U.S and known mainly for Wonderwall - but trust me - in the U.K they had the "clout" and their comments made the news. -
Do we really want and expect everyone to have kind words for their contemporaries? maybe the aforementioned Baker, Townshend, Stewart, Clapton (add Jack Bruce to the list) and Richards just don't like Zep and are giving their honest opinion, maybe it's jealousy on some of the individuals parts (Townshend has said as much) surely it's just one interpretation, doesn't mean it's correct.
Zeppelin are just one of those bands that it's ok to "diss" for some reason. You very rarely hear any negative words spoken about The Bealtes or Bob Dylan. However, you can't tell me every other rock musician likes their stuff? they are just "sacred cows" Cliff Richards and Tom Jones are the only musicians I've heard speak negatively about The Beatles. (presumably due to jealously
)To be honest, I kind of like the rivalries, gives things an edge instead of everyone pretending to like everyone like they mostly do these days (as advised by their PR machines)
In the 90's the Gallagher brothers from Oasis were outspoken and dismissive of many bands, and that gets a lot of people's backs up, but I prefer that to people stabbing you in the back behind closed doors - at least you know where you stand with outspoken individuals.
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IMPORTANT: Jeff Martin must have Jimmy Page in the studio with him, check out the one dated July 23 where he is sitting on a chair and CRANK IT UP!!! That guitar sound and work sounds AMAZING:
Like what I'm hearing so far after you mentioned them in (most probably) a Rival Sons thread.
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Sounds like....no, don't tell me. Oh shoot, I thought I had it then. Wait, David Bowie?
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I can forgive many things, however, drinking anything but icy cold beer is sacriligeous.
Pukeworthy
I was being sarcastic (English thing) my beer goes into the freezer 10 minutes before I drink it, then into a stubby holder.
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Stop being such a sour faced Pom! ............
:lol: ............. This is supposed to be the Happy Thread I also I like my beer room temperature and my showers infrequent
But no, I am happy that you're happy! It's great being part of the commonwealth, isn't it? You get to share in the joy.
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SHE is the reason we are losing the Ashes!
Her being in London has motivated your cricket team into a deeper hatred and therefore need to annihilate us Aussie's.
I think I even hate us after listening to her
Look how excited you all were when Charles and Camilla graced your presence! Good subjects, pat yourselves on the back
I couldn't give a stuff about cricket, really. Certainly not my cricket team.... I enjoy it when England fails so I take no pleasure in your annihilation.
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Oh yeah!
ooops!
We are part of the British Commonwealth too, so he is also our new heir.
Allow me a Morrissey quote at this special moment for both of us subjects:
"I am the son and the heir of nothing in particular"
Surely now you have been reminded of your commonwealth status, you should be as happy as this lady!
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Congratulations to the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge on the birth of their son and to all you Brits on your new heir
Oh, right...so Australia became a republic? I must of missed that.
congrats!Honestly, I can't believe people in the U.K care about one (privileged) sprog in the approx 361,000 that are born every day - let alone the rest of the world. The American fascination with the Royals is even more bizarre considering they got rid of the monarchy in 1776. Funny old world....but I guess I'm alone in my apathy.
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With his loss to 114–ranked qualifier Federico Delbonis in the Hamburg semifinals today, Roger Federer has lost in back-to-back tournaments to players ranked outside of the Top 100 for the first time since the summer of 2002.
World No. 116 Sergiy Stakhovsky upset the 17-time Grand Slam winner at Wimbledon.
Federer is undergoing a racquet change, switching to a new 98-inch prototype that is not available to consumers yet, Wilson’s Jon Muir told the Wall Street Journal.
Four-time Hamburg champion Federer said the racquet did not play a role in his loss.
"I don’t think it had much to do with the racquet today,” Federer told reporters. “I tried everything I could at this tournament. It’s been a difficult week throughout. But I’m happy I fought through many matches. It gives me the matches I was looking for."
http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2013/07/federer-racquet-didnt-cause-loss/48441/#.UerwSqxf-zt
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Piggies - The Beatles
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Wart Hog - The Ramones
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Wargasm - L7
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Roger is finally getting a bigger head.....
http://www.tennis.com/gear/2013/07/plus-size-model/48403/#.UehAH6xf-zt
Although, my theory has always been that Jimmy is plagiarising himself because the Nobody's Fault But Mine riff is - in part - the Shake My Tree riff slowed down and reversed (with the latter using almost the exact same notes as the former) Who knows though except Jimmy? I've never heard of him lifting anything before, so let's give him the benefit of the doubt 
besides, it only becomes official when people have noticed it and are arguing in the comment section of the video. I can find no mention of it. All I can find is this accusation of plagiarism directed at The Tragically Hip :
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So is Jimmy Page a 'sloppy' player?
in Led Zeppelin Newbies
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Agreed. Jimmy never "phoned in it" and as a result, he's always interesting to watch as he is right there in the moment putting everything into it. Take the Knebworth shows as an example; he is wringing with sweat from the sheer effort of trying to coax the riffs out of his Les Paul (or maybe it was the heroin, but still) did Clapton EVER sweat? I don't think so. Personally, I want to see the agony and ecstasy on the face of my guitar hero. I don't want to see them smugly hitting every note perfectly.