. And it comes up in every interview. He got Bonzo his Ludwig endorsement. Exact kit as his and on and on. Every interview.. word for word. Carmine is cool and a great drummer, but that gets a little annoying.

Thanks. I liked your Daddy’s quote.

Sorry I was just trying to lighten things up around here.. Carmine loved Bonham and even dedicated a solo album to him.

You know who else cites Carmine Appice as an infuence on John Bonham? Carmine Appice. 😎 Just having fun. He’s great.. true though

Nobody understands your point.. give me a break. I get it. I just don’t agree with it. Mediocre technically? That’s ridiculous.

That’s all you got out of my post? Really? I said all I’m going to say.

But why would you take anything away? His sound, power, projection, tone, timing, feel, yes groove and especially his restraint are all part of the package.. not just the triplets... He was a great technician too. Never said he he was the drummer with the greatest technical ability. But he was certainly not a player that other drummers would roll their eyes at. And if they did, they’re stupid. There’s more to it than just flash. Much of his stuff is alot harder to play correctly than it sounds.. I’ve watched incredible drummers struggle with getting his parts right.. Simon Phillips for one butchered the shit out of Stairway To Heaven live more than once.. and he’s an unbelievable drummer.. one of my all time favorites. Some walk in and think it’s going to be easy because they’ve heard it 10,000 times and then they go to play it and it’s just not there.. just ask a great drummer like Phil Collins... I’d put Bonham’s footwork next to anyone you mentioned. I heard Mike Portnoy play Achilles Last Stand.. another excellent drummer with incredible technique .. The hands were pretty much right there.. the bass drum work was light.. Barrimore Barlowe is incredible no doubt.John Bonham himself once called him the best drummer to come out of England. But I don’t think he would have been rolling his eyes at Bonham either.. far from it.. Nor would anyone else you mentioned. the eternally bitter Ginger Baker has.. but he doesn’t have much good to say unless it’s Jazz players.. done.

Uh. yeah you did.... maybe not in your original comment.. but it’s right there.. “proper jazz and swing drummers”... pretty obvious what you were referring too all the way through. Hey if that’s your opinion ... great.. Jon Hiseman was awesome . If you prefer him.. whatever. Who were the “real drummers”? You know ... the ones who would have been “rolling their eyes”? You weren’t referring to Jazz guys? Who then?

I won’t try to change your opinion. This is mine.. Hot Dog.. possibly... I prefer Darlene .. but I’ll always trust Jimmy’s decisions as a producer.. Wearing and Tearing would have been way out of place.... moreso than even Hot Dog. Ozone Baby was a side opener. In The Evening and Carouselambra were much much better for that...I’m not quite sure Darlene would have fit after FITR... or as a side closer... maybe maybe not.. As far as All My Love... no way. Way too important a song to Robert Plant. Besides being a beautiful tribute to his son and family, it was and still is a very popular radio cut.

You think Jimmy Page didn’t put his name to All My Love because he thought it was a bad song? I’ve never heard that before. As far as I know, he didn’t help write it. If he could have taken a credit, he would have. He took a credit for LA Drone. All My Love was Robert’s (1st) tribute to Karac. There are feelings in the song that are very deep. Page wouldn’t have had the nerve to imply that it was so bad that he wouldn’t take a credit. I’ve heard him say it wasn’t the direction he (or Bonham) wanted the band to go in. But I also feel he respected and understood what Robert was going through enough to want to include it on the album. Same thing happened to me as Christopher Lees with Hot Dog. I saw the Knebworth video and gained a new appreciation for it. Still not one of my favorites, but it is kind of fun to play on the drums.

No i get it. It’s apples and oranges though. Jazz to Rock. In a lot of ways, John Bonham was strongly influenced by the Jazz greats. The way he tuned his kit, the way his drums were mic’d in the studio, and some elements of his drum solos were heavily inspired by Jazz players. But he also had Funk Blues and Soul in his style. John Bonham led with his feet.. He had incredible feet. Most Jazz players or the Ginger Baker type Jazz Rock players lead with their hands. The feet for the most part just kind of go with it. Not all but most lead with their hands. They are very different approaches to playing and I wouldn’t say one is better than the other. Besides John Bonham was only 32 when he died. Some...most of the main performances people point to of his were layed down when he was really just a kid... a young man. He was 20 when he played the Bass Drum pattern on Good Times Bad Times. To knock him for not having had the technique of a phenomenal player like a 60 year old Vinnie Colauita is kind of a cheap shot.

Nice. I wish I saw this before my post. Spot on.

Amen. Typical opinion of certain Jazz snobs. There’s good and bad in all genres.. John Bonham was among the very best in his.. I watched a drumming phenom like Dennis Chambers go on about the greatness of John Bonham after a jaw dropping drum clinic. I was pleasantly surprised he didn’t jump on the pretentious wagon by dumping on the “rock guy”. It was obvious he was an admirer. Bonham’s rare combination of immense power, technique and restraint are what made him so great.

I know. It's a shame because there are more than capable writers in Aerosmith.. Besides Steven and Joe.. Brad, Tom and Joey are all under utilized. If he needs help with Lyrics, that's a different thing.

I would guess Desmond Child. If true, dumb move on Steven's part. no offense to Desmond Child either. You have Jimmy and John Paul Jones there .... and you want to bring in outside writers?

... and that is my overall issue... Robert's way or the highway.. That's why we got Paul Martinez and Phil Collins at Live Aid ... That's why we got no JPJ on the Unledded, and WIC.. collaborations.. I get it to a degree. Robert had been through quite a lot and has had a very successful solo career. He is used to being the boss.. But if anyone is going to run the band.. I'd much prefer it be Jimmy. Too heavy! Bollocks.. we're talking Led Zeppelin. Not Fleetwood Mac.

Ozzy usually complains about Tony Iommi when they’re not playing together. He did from 1979-97 and again in 2007-2010. So why should now be any different... Ozzy’s all bent out of shape now, because Tony asked (or told) him to stop yelling “Let’s See You going CRAZY!!!” and “LOUDER” and “I Can’t fucking hear you!!!” non stop during his guitar solos... who knows? 2-3 years ago.. That’s part of being in a band.. I am sure Tony and Geezer had to grin and bear a lot of things ... like not playing a ton of classic Black Sabbath songs because Ozzy can no longer sing them.. Ozzy prefers being his own boss now, which is understandable. But when you’re in a major band, like Black Sabbath, some compromises with your bandmates is part of the deal. It’s not all about the one guy doing frog leaps.

There is a Wikipedia page on “Listen To This Eddie”. This points to both Eddie’s (Kramer and VH) as the possible Eddie. It states that the “broken hand” quote came from a Guitar World interview with Eddie Van Halen from 1981. So if there’s any way to prove Listen To This Eddie goes back further than 1981.. it most likely wouldn’t be EVH..

There were also several times Jimmy Page was playing with banged up fingers. 1973 aiport fence, 75 train door, 77 firework thrown onstage. Even before the 02.. so whatever Ed. Both EVH and Steve Vai point to Heartbreaker as being a main inspiration in their own development.

yep .. I bought mine in the summer of 77.. maybe a little later. The irony is that there are plenty of times Eddie Van Halen hasn't sounded all that great live either, like he had a broken hand... It happens, they're human. Drugs and Drink can make the all time greats sound not so good. The main problem is his big mouth.

+1

Wendy Dio won’t get another penny from me.

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Aaaannndd .. Action Dirk.... Rest in Peace to the great Burt Reynolds.. I will have to watch Boogie Nights and The Longest Yard this weekend in his honor.