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It's ridiculous because they were in Malibu for about two or three months, four months? And in the studio for about 13 days so it's not like those 13 days was a huge long period of time. And I don't think all of them had to be out of the country in order to save their individual fortunes. Wasn't it true that later Bonzo stayed in country when the rest were in exile?
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Plants flower shirts and them being open. Page's dragon suit - the black one and the white one. JPJ's outfit with the radishes, or,whatever, hanging from the elbow.
Richard Cole
LZ not giving proper credit on some of the blues songs and Dazed and Confused. It would have stopped a lot of criticism.
John Bindon.
Presence was to short. One more good song and it would have done it.
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23 hours ago, the chase said:
Well they had a summer tour planned that was canceled after Robert's accident. So, right or wrong they booked studio time to keep busy, stay out of the country and record Presence. Robert said he was furious at Jimmy and Peter that he had to be recording at the time and referenced the lyrics to Hots On For Nowhere as a dig at the 2 of them.
Can you produce the interview where he said that?
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7 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
FFS, I can't believe anyone here is still busting Robert's balls over going to Malibu from Aug to Oct 1975, then on to Munich in November. First of all, he HAD TO leave England to live in tax exile or lose a HUGE sum of money. Secondly, it was thought that Malibu would reinvigorate his spirits AND be conducive to working on their next album. Thirdly, Maureen continued to undergo medical treatment for her fractured pelvis for the remainder of the year. Finally, if I'm not mistaken Carmen was attending school. He returned home by Christmas 1975, yet some of you guys make it sound as if he abandoned them. Give it a rest already?
Sentinel Star (Orlando, FL) (February 17, 1976)
Like I said before: I think it's true that Plant wanted to keep his money more than be with his family...
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On 3/22/2013 at 1:22 AM, Sagittarius Rising said:
The 70's were a magical time in America. There was a freedom of youth that had never occurred and would never occur again. Most teens in the 70's were seekers of some sort, influenced by the hope of the 60's yet young enough to ignore Manson, Altamont, Vietnam, etc and consider them a fluke. Though I was just a kid in the 70's I had cousins 10 and 20 years my senior as guides to this amazing place and I have very vivid memories indeed. I remember being pretty much free from five years old on, playing with my friends and not worrying if some asshole was going to rape and kill us because we were smart enough to travel in groups and run from strangers. Adults were our friends and looked after us and we respected and listened to them. It was unusual in the fact that we all hoped for something better, had such open minds and gathered influences from many a diverse source the world became an open book. Of course some people got hurt, but the majority had fun and learned a thing or two along the way. Sex was fun and light hearted, compared to a return to the 50's moral code of the late 80's & 90's people just did not take things so damn seriously.
I wish I could explain in vivid detail what it was like in the 70's, I guess an accurate description would be the old Coke commercials where everyone is singing in a summer field, or the old RC commercials. People cared and loved but also knew when to let go and walk away, these days a boy dates a girl once and they are "together???" It's no longer fun, just one big pain in the ass. I really feel sorry for the generations post-70's because all they know is.....
I'm sorry but this is a load of crap. I was around in the 70's.
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15 hours ago, ThreeSticks said:
I don't know....Robert had been w/ "homewreckers" many times over since the first tour of the US. He was married very young. Blaming him for his affair with Audrey is a little ridiculous considering Led Zep's lifestyle and work life. I think a lot of what we can call conventional morality really doesn't apply here. I mean, this is a band who after Robert got in a serious auto accident in 1975 that almost killed himself and especially his wife, and that really hurt his kids, put Robert in tax exile within days despite the fact that his wife was on the verge of dying. The reason? He would've lost millions of dollars if he had stayed in Britain. It just seems like a life that is so unrelated to what normal people go through. What most of us see as conventional morality needs to be reconsidered in this case. These guys were almost never at home until Robert's kid died in 1977.
No one put RP in tax exile but RP himself.
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On 3/21/2013 at 11:33 PM, Melcórë said:
The first part is an excuse - "that's the way it is." Bullshit. They could abstain - the fault is on them, not the business.
Isn't it a judgment to say that people are "pathetic"?
I agree - they could have stayed faithful. If they wanted to screw every slut while out on the road then they could have divorced and just been a free agent. Of course Jimmy wasn't married but had a child with a lady so he was committing to her on some level.
i was sorta surprised to hear how much Aubrey got around. She isn't mentioned much with the other groupies like Sweet Connie, Pamela, etc. I've never read anything about her so to hear she travelled with the Stones, Kiss, etc. surprised me but maybe it shouldn't have.
Robert was as much of a dog as anyone but seems to at least these days to respect the ladies that were in his life back then, like Michelle Overman (see her on YouTube). But he still can't commit- he was crazy about Patty Griffin for a few years but must have grew tired cause he up and left her, saying he wanted to go home and hang out at the corner pub.... and she is a fabulous lady (trust me). So he'll probably grow old alone and that is sad.
Speaking of Maureen - RP had a baby with her sister, Shirley, jeez how low class is that to screw your ex sister in law. That is some low crap. And who is surprised RP or JP didn't have any children with any of these road girls? I am.
"Miss" Pamela - is she mentally ill? Groupies are known to be obsessed individuals who have faced serious adverse childhood experiences, such as abusive or addicted parents, or maternal neglect.
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On 1/23/2012 at 0:46 PM, Texas Melanie said:
He and Charlotte were together until 1983 but he was heavily addicted to heroin from 75-ish to 83. Heroin robs a person's sex drive so his chances of straying from Charlotte during those years were small to none.
Jimmy had plenty of women around in the mid to late 70's.
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4 hours ago, woz70 said:
In 1975/76 the income tax rate in the UK for earnings over £20,000 was 83%. Basically this means that for every £1 they earned (over £20,000) they got to keep 17p. (Tax on earnings up to £20,000 would have left them with a tax bill of around £13,000. So - earn £20,000 and take home £7,000).
As an example, let's pretend that they earned £250,000 in one year - a lot of money in 1975, but not inconceivable for them at the time:
First £20,000 you get to keep about £7000 (actually a little more, but I'm keeping it simple).
That leaves £230,000 to pay 83% tax on - a tax bill of £190,900.
That left them with £39,100, plus the £7000 kept before the higher rate: A total of $46,100 they get to keep.... well actually it would be less than this too, because I've not allowed for National Insurance contributions (which , despite being called 'contributions' are actually compulsory).
That's a total payment to the taxman of £203,900 from earnings of £250,000.
I honestly don't think Grant 'forced' them to go into tax exile - I'm sure he would have just given them the best advice, which would have been 'get out of dodge or the taxman takes pretty much everything you've earned'.
Their earnings and the taxman forced them into tax exile.
You don't have to be a genius to look at those figures and think that they probably thought for themselves: 'why do I have to give 4/5ths of what I earned to the taxman. What can I do to avoid this?'.I think it's just true that Plant wanted to keep his money more than be with his family. Why didn't you take his family with him to Switzerland or LA so the family could be together? but he chose to go alone. His wife could have convalesced somewhere else in Europe. I think in the end Bonzo decided to stay home and said screw the money.
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I wish Page and Coverdale would play together again.
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I saw The Firm 3 times and i thought the band sounded fantastic. Wish they'd do a reunion,
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On 2/19/2017 at 8:40 PM, zooma said:
I quite disagree. John Paul Jones has never been better than he is now, in either his musicianship or creativity. Just wait until he releases The Goast Sonata until you make that judgement. Robert has continued to be creative as well even though his path has not been in expectation with many of his long time fans. Jimmy has been the only one who retired, which is fine too. I just wish he would comes to grip with it and stop leading naive people on.
We can agree to disagree. While I am a big John Paul Jones fan and he is an excellent musician there's not a whole lot of his musical content that I want to listen to often. I rather dislike Robert's last album and I can't even stomach to listen to that Maggie song. I'm also rather tired of the Moroccan or African sound that he tries to "plant" in his music.
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17 hours ago, ThreeSticks said:
Plus, Plant probably put his foot down after the death of his son that he was staying in England with his family regardless of the taxes. As I recall he was deeply resentful of Grant and Co. of forcing them to relocate to L.A. after the accident in Greece. His wife was really, really hurt as were his kids.
I don't know if Grant and company forced him into tax exile....
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All of the former members of Led Zeppelin are entering a time in their lives where their creativity is gone or nearly gone.
But if Jimmy page wanted to play in front of an audience he certainly could do so. A musician of his caliber does not forget how to play the guitar. There are plenty of projects he could participate in without it being around a new bunch of new material.
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On 7/26/2013 at 6:05 AM, Luca850 said:
Hi everybody,
this is the first time that I write here... english is not my first language, so forgive me for any errors
I'd like to realize a replica of one of the Jimmy Page's suit (from 1973 live concerts)...
is there anyone out there who knows where I can find some good pics of Jimmy Page's "Rose embroidered jacket" (anyone knows who is the tailor?)
Thank you very much
I really like this look for Jimmy, much better than the dragon suit or the poppy suit...jeans with this jacket and the hair look great. What year was this? I never liked the TSRTS outfit.
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4 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
Insurance underwriting protects the artists and management in the event of a tour cancellation. We saw this come into play when Page w/The Black Crowes had to pull the plug on their remaining dates. The insurance underwriters had to eat it. Consequently, Page could not perform publicly for at least six months afterward (and he didn't).
Why did this happen? Was this when Jimmy hurt his back?
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22 hours ago, Boleskinner said:
Why would you read something 100 times if you think it's so bad?
Because of the time it came out there was a total lack of information of any of the details about the band. You have to remember this is before the Internet existed so they were no webpages, no blogs etc. Even though it is a poorly written book, I did enjoy reading it for some of the details about the early days, the early shows and the crowd reactions to them etc. Even now when I know some of the events are blown out proportion and exaggerated, I recently went back and read it yet again because I was looking for something in the book that I thought was there even though it wasn't. I don't know if you could chalk it up to being poorly written or poorly edited.
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10 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
I'm away from my notes at the moment, not that I have many on Brian Goode, who remained very much out of the limelight and by many accounts in way over his head. Off the top of my head, his management began during The Firm era and ended in 1994 after Jimmy joined forces with Bill Curbishley, who was Robert's manager at the time. I do know it was Brian who took the call from Rod McSween in January 1991 to inquire if Jimmy was interested in collaborating with David Coverdale. I'm not sure if Brian was interviewed for Barney Hoskyns' book, but he may have been.
The date of Jimmy's return to England remains shrouded in mystery. Some have alleged he was in New Orleans when Robert received the call, while others insist he was still in California. Bill Graham attested to a $25K cash advance at the San Francisco Hilton immediately being provided to a heroin dealer the afternoon prior to the Day on the Green concerts in Oakland, so it's plausible (though speculative) Jimmy was in no condition to travel to New Orleans or anywhere else for a few days. JPJ, his wife and daughters were travelling in a Winnebago and left Oakland soon after the second concert, so it's plausible they were on the road and out of contact at the time Robert returned to England. We know Peter remained in New Orleans to handle postponement and eventual cancellation of the remaining dates. We know Jimmy, JPJ and Peter were not at the funeral but I have always refrained from armchair quarterbacking them or their personal decisions in what was obviously a very tragic and difficult time.
How long was it until the next concert day after Oakland? Just wondering because if JPJ was gone in a Winnebago with his family, when was he do to be at the next show?
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10 hours ago, SteveAJones said:
I'm away from my notes at the moment, not that I have many on Brian Goode, who remained very much out of the limelight and by many accounts in way over his head. Off the top of my head, his management began during The Firm era and ended in 1994 after Jimmy joined forces with Bill Curbishley, who was Robert's manager at the time. I do know it was Brian who took the call from Rod McSween in January 1991 to inquire if Jimmy was interested in collaborating with David Coverdale. I'm not sure if Brian was interviewed for Barney Hoskyns' book, but he may have been.
The date of Jimmy's return to England remains shrouded in mystery. Some have alleged he was in New Orleans when Robert received the call, while others insist he was still in California. Bill Graham attested to a $25K cash advance at the San Francisco Hilton immediately being provided to a heroin dealer the afternoon prior to the Day on the Green concerts in Oakland, so it's plausible (though speculative) Jimmy was in no condition to travel to New Orleans or anywhere else for a few days. JPJ, his wife and daughters were travelling in a Winnebago and left Oakland soon after the second concert, so it's plausible they were on the road and out of contact at the time Robert returned to England. We know Peter remained in New Orleans to handle postponement and eventual cancellation of the remaining dates. We know Jimmy, JPJ and Peter were not at the funeral but I have always refrained from armchair quarterbacking them or their personal decisions in what was obviously a very tragic and difficult time.
How long was it until the next concert day after Oakland? Just wondering because if JPJ was gone in a Winnebago with his family, when was he do to be at the next show?
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On 12/21/2016 at 0:31 AM, SteveAJones said:
It definitely pales in comparison to Hammer of the Gods, which although a sensationalized account is actually a damn good book as far as maintaining the reader's interest. I do recall reading an interview with Davis that I cannot find at the moment wherein he alludes to the second book being a cash grab. Here's another interview with Davis for those who may not be familiar with him or his other work:
http://www.bu.edu/bostonia/winter09/stephen-davis/stephen-davis.pdf
I've read Hammer of the gods probably more than 100 times and I am not exaggerating. I think it is very poorly written. The author comes across as petty and trying to make degrading remarks about the band members based on things that never happened. Lord knows they are not perfect by any means but his account of what happened is just short of ridiculous.
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On 12/27/2007 at 1:35 PM, SteveAJones said:
Richard Cole and John Bonham accompanied Robert on his flight home from New Orleans to the Midlands, with a brief layover in London. John Paul Jones did have his family with
him in the states for sightseeing. Peter Grant elected to remain in New Orleans to work
the cancellation of the tour's remaining dates.
Jimmy and JPJ did not attend Karac's funeral service and this is a highly sensitive topic. While I've never spoken to Robert concerning his thoughts on their absence; those who have discussed it with him told me he was deeply hurt by it.
It's inexplicable, really, for them not to have attended, as I've always believed the sudden loss of a child is one of life's cruelest tragedies. Certainly, Robert could have found some comfort in their support, however I realize everyone deals with grief of this magnitude in their own way. For whatever it's worth, bear in mind Jimmy and John Paul Jones seldom socialized with Robert and Bonzo, or between themselves, if off the road. Ultimately, in my opinion, neither excuses nor condemnations should be made.
In conclusion, note Jimmy and Peter Grant met in London soonafter and immediately put the band on indefinate hiatus to afford Robert an opportunity to grieve. More than a year passed before Led Zeppelin made a public appearance and resumed studio activity.
How soon after Karac's death did jimmy himself come back to England? And how soon did Peter come back? I'm not surprised Jimmy would miss the funeral since he was most likely divulging harder into drugs with all that happened within a few days but I'm surprise Peter did not go. With Jonesey having three kids himself I'm surprised he did not come back to England to be at the funeral.
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Does anyone know what year his parents split?
and his mother is still alive,
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On 1/27/2015 at 8:04 AM, The Old Hermit said:
I don't know anyone - ANYONE! - who thinks LZ made a mistake in not carrying on after Bonzo's death, for any number reasons;
1) Aside from the fact they were all understandably distraught at the loss of their friend and colleague, with the very thought of replacing him simply unthinkable, who could possibly have replaced Bonzo, and why would they even want to?
2) Creatively, the band had peaked with Physical Graffiti and I think they knew it, why continue further on a downward trajectory and ruin all the good work they had already done?
3) Considering the personal circumstances at the time prior to September 25th, 1980 - Robert Plant's tragedies, Jimmy Page and Peter Grant's spiralling heroin addictions, Bonzo's rampant alcoholism - it was utterly inevitable that someone was going to die in the immediate short-term (and end the band by consequence), Jimmy Page's fragile and genuinely precarious health in 1980 made him a prime candidate for that fate, I really believe that Bonzo dying saved Jimmy's life, it's very possible Mr Page would not have survived to make a ninth studio album... either way, the band's days were numbered, too much damage had been done to keep it going much longer, Bonzo's demise just forced the inevitable sooner than expected.
4) Robert Plant's position and future in the band was already on somewhat shaky ground as it stood, he was but one further bad experience away from quitting altogether (I believe), and Bonzo's death was that experience, it was the final knockout blow for Plant and Zeppelin, this last and most devastating gut-punch of all was one they wouldn't be able to recover from... even if Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones had wanted to continue, Plant most certainly would NOT have, it was over for him in more ways than one, it's little wonder he worked so hard to put so much distance between himself and his Zeppelin days, the memories of that 12-year period have some very painful moments Plant had no desire to remind himself of any longer.
The best move the surviving band members did was call it a day after Bonzo's demise, but what else could they have done...?
I don't think Page would have lost his life if Bonham would have lived. Although he was doing heroin, even in that state - he was always in control and would not have overdone it. That's just my gut feeling.
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I just don't like them very much at all (the Dragon suits). And I agree with you his stage presence is awesome.