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  1. I'v never been much of a fan of the fantasy sequences but generally I think TSRTS's bad reputation(in the UK at least) has alot more to do with the time it was released, such an excessive fiolm/album coming out in late 76 made it a prime target for the punk movement that was just taking off.
  2. Saucerful has some good tracks but I'v always thought that they didnt really get the hang of the studio until More, Set the Controls and the title track were vastly improved live. If you like the "middle" era of Floyd then I'd recommend the Rhino Records rerelease of the Zabriski Point soundtrack, has almost and albums worth of material by the Floyd on it in a similar style to More.
  3. I enjoy the live disk of Ummagumma better than the rest of those but I agree More has some of there ebst studio work from that era. Obviously nice to have two releases but I think they might have been better off combining the better studio cuts from those two albums along with the live disk, say.... The Narrow Way pt 1 Granchester Meadows Circus Minor Main Theme from More Green is the Colour Cymbaline More Blues Dramatic Theme From More The Embyro
  4. Indeed, the number he killed, the abuse of a trusted position and the fact he seemed less mentally unstable than many others with theft seemingly a big motivate.
  5. If your looking to get a modern Jazz album and like King of Blue I'd definately recommend Lontano by the Tomasz Stanko Quartet. The three long versions of the title track are free jazz but generally pretty relaxed and quiet catchy. The other half(which is still an albums worth of material by vinyl stanards since it fills the CD like alot of ECM releases) is much more composed and really does sound like a modern minalistic sucessor to Kind of Blue.
  6. Yeah that albums about as scary as jazz fusion gets, not too far from krautrock. I didnt actually think Miles earlier fusion stuff worked aswell live, needed editting in the studio to give it direction IMHO but he'd hit some great form just before he went into retirement.
  7. Theres the odd track I enjoy(I Talk To The Wind, Lady Fantasy, Aqualung, Fanfair for the Common Man etc) but overall I'm inclined to agree with BIGDAN. Ultimately prog rock wasnt really worthy of its name since it was largely a evolutionary dead end bar a few niche revivalists. I wouldnt say that Pink Floyd fit into the modern narrow definition of Prog either bar maybe parts of Atom Heart Mother(the title track) and Ummagumma(the studio disk). For me the Floyd started off playing the kind of deconstrcuted rock that along with the Velvets gave rise to Krautrock(the truely proggressive/influential rock of the 70's IMHO) then moved onto atmospheric blues rock with a hint of jazz. To me post rock bands like Talk Talk, Bark Psychosis, God Speed You Black Emporer etc do what the prog bands of the 70's were claiming to(mixing rock with classicial and jazz to produce "high" art) but far better being unburdened with needless and tastless virtuosity.
  8. The more interesting area for me would be who played what solo on the 77 tour, I always assumed that Snowey played the solo on Pigs On The Wing part 2 because he did so on the 8 track studio version, maybe one or both the solos in Wish You Where Here aswell since there pretty similar? The extended vertsion of part 8 of Shine on sounds like the guitarists swap over halfway to me aswell with one backing up the other soloing.
  9. Theres a boot of one of the MSG shows that just includes the WYWH half, is that what your going from? Listening to the infamous last show of the Animals tour from Montreal that suposidly inspired The Wall right now where Waters spat in the fans face. While he maybe a bastard he certainly had a sense of threater calling him over like a sheepdog during the end jam of Pigs before doing it. Some of the soloing is just brutal aswell, tracks like part 8 of SOYCD sound more like something Page would have done.
  10. Well Heartbeat Pigmeat, Crumbling Land and Come In Number 51 You Time Is Up(reworked Careful with that axe euegene) were on the original soundtrack, the 2cd version also includes 4 new tracks. An instrumental similar to part 1 of the Narrow way(but alot longer) with the baseline of the Atom Heart Mother funky jam section, a new song featuring chess refferences, a piano solo and a long blues track.
  11. Probabley the most overlooked Floyd soundtrack of all is Zabriskie Point, the 2cd version that came out a few years ago has an albums worth of material by them on it.
  12. The sound was more striped down and aggressive(even if the tracks were still long) plus the lyrics looked as issues common in punk such as social decay, immoral profit hunting business/men, contrived moral outrage for political ends, oppresion of the working classes etc. They'd delt with some of those themes before of course but Animals was much more direct and well nasty, Pigs espeically... Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are You well heeled big wheel, ha ha, charade you are And when your hand is on your heart You're nearly a good laugh Almost a joker With your head down in the pig bin Saying "keep on digging" Pig stain on your fat chin What do you hope to find? When you're down in the pig mine You're nearly a laugh You're nearly a laugh But you're really a cry. Bus stop rat bag, ha ha, charade you are You fucked up old hag, ha ha, charade you are You radiate cold shafts of broken glass You're nearly a good laugh Almost worth a quick grin You like the feel of steel You're hot stuff with a hat pin And good fun with a hand gun You're nearly a laugh You're nearly a laugh But you're really a cry. Hey you Whitehouse, ha ha, charade you are You house proud town mouse, ha ha, charade you are You're trying to keep your feelings off the street You're nearly a real treat All tight lips and cold feet And do you feel abused? ...!...!...! You gotta stem the evil tide And keep it all on the inside Mary you're nearly a treat Mary you're nearly a treat But you're really a cry. The first verse is probabley about James Callaghan(british PM at the time), the second about Margret Thacther(opposition leader at the time) and the third about Mary Whitehouse(self appointed "moral crusiader").
  13. The other quote I remember from him is "you can only hate pink floyd so long" . The reality is Lydon's always been alot smarter than he let on, he was a massive Krautrock fan and actually wanted to become Can's lead singer before forming Public Image Ltd. Animals was IMHO a perfect response to punk, it wasnt some cheap atempt to ape punk bands sound but the spirit and themes were very similar. I can't find it on the net but I seem to remember reading an NME review from 77 which praised it which is a little strange as they were THE punk mag at the time. I wasnt really putting down Darkside but even the best album(although not my favourite by them) can be overhyped and I can see why people would tire of it and The Wall constantly being forced down thre throats while alot of other great work is largely ignored by the mainstream media. The Ummagumma live album is along with the Stone Roses debut maybe the record that effected my musical taste the most. I remember I only owned a handful of more straight ahead rock albums at the time and picked it out from my dads old collection and was blown away by "Careful With That Axe Eugene" espeically. The influence of thet immediate post barret era is also very underated IMHO, that deconstraction of rock into a simple repeatitive beat with spacey improv behind layed the groundwork for alot of krautrock which it turn influenced alot of the best post punk/new wave bands.
  14. To return to the original point I'd say that the Floyd are both overated AND underated. The focus on there work generally tends to be on Darkside and the Wall the former of which is excellent but perhaps not the "best album ever" while the latter is IMHO rather bloated with just a few highlights(generally were Gilmour still had strong musical imput). Wish You Were Here and Pipper get the odd mention aswell but the post Barnett/pre Darkside albums are almost totally overlooked dispite the Ummagumma live disk and Meddle being amoung there ebst work with everything else at least interesting. Animals also gets unfairly trashed as "the bloated prog punk had come to kill" when in reality its one of their best albums and probabley the best reaction to punk that any of the 60's/70's superstar bands made.
  15. Probabley my favourite Floyd tour, anyone who thinks Gilmour can only play slow atmospheric solo's should really listen to the version of Pigs and Shine On part 8 from 77.
  16. Read both halfs of the Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe while on holiday in New Zealand, the adventures of a banished torturer in dystopian slowly freezing future earth really got me into the holiday spirit. Seriously though if you like complex sci fi like Dune is definately worth a read.
  17. Perhaps not a warmup but it wasnt so important that the band were willing to delay it, the summer stadium shows were probabley there main focus for the year.
  18. Going back to why they went ahead with the US 75 tour while less than 100% I'd guess that part of the reason could be that it wasnt viewed as being as important as it latter became. Before Plant had his car accident the plan was to do a stadium tour of the US in the summer/early autumn of 75 so while fairly large the winter/spring arena tour was more about getting back into the game after a layoff.
  19. I'd say its a bit more towards comedy than alot of his stuff, mainly because Owen Wilson has a pretty big role. I have to admit my jaw hit the floor when Natalie Portman turned up in the short film on the DVD extra's aswell.
  20. The original cast films and Deep Space 9 were always my favourites.
  21. Been using it for years online, comes from a TV series about a haughted inn.
  22. I never really understood why the Beatles breaking up was considered a "bad" thing, by 69 you basically had three solo artists putting there material onto combined albums anyway.
  23. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony.
  24. I'd guess the most likey reason SIBLY wasnt filmed if it was played is that it was unreleased at the time. Remember the reason for capturing the RAH show was originally for a TV speical not a DVD release 30 years down the line. Personally I'v been hoping Page would release the RAH show on CD since it could potentially add SIBLY, HB, TY and the Long Tall Sally melody plus restore CB and HMMT to there full lenght. AS for the performance while its certainly very good I'm not sure I'd say it was exceptional for the time, there are many dates from the spring of the same year where they perfected the same kind of show to a higher level IMHO.
  25. Personally I'd take exactly the opposite view, 72 for me is maybe the year when they played most "as a band" where as 73 marks the increase in instrumental showcases started to come to the fore again. By 72 I think the rest of the band(well Plant and Bonzo) had exstablished themselves to the level were people were not mainly coming to see Page play and the general jamming climate of the late 60's had declined a bit. As you say by 73 though the band band truely established themselves as masters of the universe so could afford to be a bit more excessive. Thats not putting down 73 as personally I think Zep were at there best with a bit more instrumental showcase and jamming. Overall I preffer it to 72 which outside of a few shows does sound a bit bland to me compaired to the years either side of it. The difference IMHO is that HTWWW caught 72 Zep at near their peak and presented it better, if TSRTS had say been recorded in Detroit, Seattle or LA it maybe have outclassed it for me.
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