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  1. The problem is the mix feels a bit thin compared to the previous records. Very sparse. Compare it to past records. The thinness and lack of punch of the mix undermines the material and makes it sound limp. Even on songs like In The Evening which is a very strong track. Compare how weakly Page's guitar lines are mixed compared to his earlier stuff or the overall sound balance compared to Kashmir.
  2. I think I've got it: 1) In The Evening 2) South Bound Saurez 3) Carouselambra (Epic Rough Mix) 4) Ozone Baby 5) All My Love 6) Darlene 7) Wearing and Tearing Run time: 41:49 The album starts off epic, and ends on a blistering rocking note. No Hot Dog. No "I'm Gonna Crawl" synthy fluff. We have touches of Jones' experimentation in the mighty Carouselambra, and Robert's beautiful ode to Karac, while keeping three songs that have the old Zeppelin stomp plus a fun goofy track in SBS.
  3. What's the general consensus here on these three tracks? I feel like they're honestly truly classic Zep tracks.
  4. What caused the falling out between Robert, Jimmy and John in the 90s? In the last days of Zeppelin, Robert and JPJ were closer than ever...and then suddenly in the 90s the other two pretended like he didn't exist. Why didn't Robert and Jimmy even give a thought to including John in their Page/Plant thing in the 90s?
  5. All 4 of them were equally irreplaceable. So if Jimmy or Jones passed, they could've gotten say Brian May or someone to fill in or Ray Manzarek, but it would not have been the same. Led Zeppelin was those 4 guys. Jason Bonham is the only acceptable substitute and let's be honest - that's because he was John's son. The only exception I make is if Robert, Jimmy, and John Paul had found an AMAZING drummer on par with Bonzo in the 90s. I think a 90s Zep reunion record with a different drummer *could* have worked. But then it'd still be a different band.
  6. I don't think they were that smug in 1980...They were not the same band they had been back in 1973 or even 1976. Robert was not the Golden God anymore...That died with Karac. I think they would've been the one 'older' band to continue to make great records in the '80s. Think of Queen's career without Hot Space. I can see Wearing and Tearing, Darlene, Ozone Baby etc being dug up for an early 80s album with some more experimental Jonesy numbers. ITTOD was a transition, it wasn't the future. Just as every song on Physical Graffiti didn't copy The Crunge.... At the absolute worst it might've sounded like Rush's 80s material. But the X-YZ sessions show, Jimmy was still capable of churning out heavy riffs even in 1981. Robert was supposed to join as singer but wasn't ready emotionally yet or so I heard....
  7. 1) In The Evening (2015 Deluxe Mix) 2) Darlene 3) All of My Love 4) Fool in the Rain 5) South Bound Saurez 6) Carouselambra (the rougher mixed "The Epic" version) 7) Wearing and Tearing 8) Ozone Baby Issue Hot Dog and I'm Gonna Crawl as B-Sides to In The Evening and Wearing and Tearing. You get a diverse, but still hard hitting album that is the late 70s version of HOTH.
  8. Having seen and listened to stuff from the 1980 tour I have things I've noticed, and would love to discuss: The band not only ditched the elaborate costumes and stage shows that had come to dominate their act and image in the 1970s, but also played a tighter, more taut setlist, bereft of gimmicks and effects. Robert had cut his hair (albeit just a bit) as did Jimmy; John cut his hair completely short. All the guys were now wearing jeans and t-shirts rather than the more elaborate costumes of earlier years. Robert was no longer the Golden God displaying his chest for all the adoring female fans. Jimmy no longer wore the dragon shirts or fancy outfits and didn't play with a bow. There was a distinct lack of pretense. 1977, as opposed to 1980: My question is, do you think the image and performance change was a conscious attempt by the band to deconstruct some of the mythology that had grown up around "The Mighty Zeppelin" even by that point? Or was it more simply a natural changing with the times and maturity on their parts? Was it an attempt to change their image for a new decade, or was it because their hearts weren't in it enough to care and dress up and put on elaborate shows anymore? I ask because other bands have purposely tried to downplay their own image (the Let it Be project, for example, was an attempt by The Beatles to show the world the band 'naked' to quote John Lennon - without studio armor; Pearl Jam made No Code as commercially unappealing as possible to shake off the bandwagon fans). I'm wondering what you guys think the line of thought was for 1980. Prior to September, was 1980 the end or just begin?
  9. Too many bad memories. Fear of it turning into a toxic money grabbing scene of hangers on like 1977. Personal issues with Jimmy going back to Karac's death. Fear of not being able to live up to past glory. Zeppelin at this point is a LEGEND. Any album that entirely made up of songs on par with Stairway to Heaven or such will be seen as a letdown. You can't compete with legend and mythology. His being embarrassed about the more "juvenile" aspects of Zeppelin. Bonzo being dead. Not being in tune musically with Jimmy and John anymore. The fact that no matter what they'd do the fans would want more and more and he's not a young guy who can live up to those demands anymore. Fans wouldn't be content with a "last record", especially if it turned out really good. We'd want more. He doesn't want to be a product anymore and live under the shadow of a label that is bigger than himself at this point. There's a certain freedom in just being Robert Plant, rather than being Robert Plant of Led Zeppelin, that I think he enjoys. I think Robert as he's gotten older has become a more and more private person and not the same extroverted kid he was in the 1960s and 1970s and doesn't want to do the stadium circuit. His head is also just not in that place anymore. It wasn't in 1978, and he had to be coerced into going back to Zeppelin back in 1978 and that was only 3 years away from their 1975 glory days. As time goes by, what Zeppelin meant (internally) has become more and more of a memory and more something separate from himself - not a part of his identity. I also think a respect for Led Zeppelin figures into it. He doesn't want to turn the name into just another nostalgia act or a gimmick, which really, is what it would quickly become and would devalue the name and the band's cultural and artistic legitimacy. They'd be another Stones - a touring conglomerate. It's like going back to a marriage that had a crappy last few years and then ended in tragedy. It might be nice to go on a date with your ex, catch up, relive some old memories. But once certain boundaries are crossed there's really no going back. I believe Led Zeppelin died when Karac did, at least for Robert, and he had to phone it in and pretend he was into it the last few years. He began to actually get into it again during the tour in 1980 only to have his best friend die right as it seemed they were back into a groove. There's a lot of heavy emotions associated with Zeppelin that it's just too much to go back to.
  10. The Doors and Led Zeppelin are two different beasts entirely so to compare them, or pit them together in a sort of grudge match doesn't really work. It's like comparing alcohol (The Doors) and pot (Led Zeppelin). Both will get you feeling good but in different ways. They were cut from two different cloths and two different scenes despite being similarly inspired by the Blues. Jim Morrison was arguably a more intellectual person than Robert, but he was also more stuck-up as well. He was not a natural performer like Robert was, but he was a more confident lyricist than Robert. Robert would grow into his lyrical maturity slower in my opinion. Jim I think took himself too seriously, whereas Robert was more into hip swinging and having fun. Jim was much more troubled than Robert was overall. Jim had this chip on his shoulder about being a rockstar who grew up as a child of parts of the Establishment - I think that haunted Jim more than people ever realize. He was a more revolutionary figure, more threatening than Robert was. Robert didn't care about any revolution or all the late 60s sociopolitical stuff at least as far as I know. Jim was one of the first shock rock artists and I think part of that for Jim was to overcompensate for his square, Navy Admiral, Vietnam supporting father. He was very much troubled even from a young age, and was always in trouble with the law. I don't think Robert ever had the same demons and was a much more "simple" guy - which was to his benefit. Robert just loved music and loved life. Jim always had a dark cloud over his head. That said, Jim was not the cariacture shown in the Doors 1991 movie. Listen to an actual interview. He was very, very introspective, very coherent and very thoughtful. He was more in touch with "the kids" than Robert was, as well. I don't think Robert ever had serious drug issues but Jim had even from the beginning an affinity for alcohol which would only grow. He was also more cynical about the record industry than I think Robert was, and came to dislike fame whereas Robert relished it "I'm a Golden God!". I don't think if you sat Jim and Robert at their respective peaks in the same room they'd have much to talk about. Now, sit Jim and Bonzo in the same room and maybe they'd get on talking, provided each was in a good mood and sober, otherwise it might wind up in a brawl. Both bands had a certain sense of mysticism in their music and evoked a sense of mystique, but Jim's affinity for it was more drawn from things like the Zodiac and more traditional "Hippie" things. Jim's mystique was East, Robert was European. He was into the theater and philosophy. Whereas Robert was obviously more drawn to more European things like Viking Sagas and Tolkien and I don't think Robert, though he dabbled in Hippie fashions early on, could really be associated with that scene. Musically, Robby Krieger and Jimmy couldn't be more different. Robby was arguably a bluesier guitarist than Jimmy was. Jimmy was more of a virtuoso. Robby was very skilled and very much a Delta Blues sort of guitarist. He was a softer player than Jimmy, more for soft licks and riffs. Vocally, Jim was rather out of place in his time. He was in a rock band, but he could've easily been a part of the Rat Pack vocally. Jim was sensual and subtle where Robert was more primal and sexual.
  11. Anyone have, or could post, the last known picture of the band together (off stage)?
  12. Yeah...She checked and then waited an hour and rechecked. Nothing. i don't think registration is disabled because why would it have allowed both she and I too? I think the site is broken. It can't be both our computers...She has a Mac and I have a PC...
  13. I've listened to some boots/rehearsals of Zep doing 50s music and other bands covers.... Anyone else think it would've been cool to have had Zep do a '50s cover album in say 1974 or so? '50s Nostalgia was big around then and Zep loved a lot of that stuff and I think they could've credibly covered it as a stopgap between Houses and Graffiti, also so they had some 'new product' in 1974 for the fans to enjoy. Something like: 1) Please Don't Tease (Cliff Richard) 2) Love Me/King Creole (Elvis) [medley] 3) Around and Around (Chuck Berry) 4) Blueberry Hill (Fats Domino) 5) School Days (Chuck Berry) 6) Long Tall Sally (Little Richard) 7) Stand By Me (Ben E. King) 8) Killing Floor/Sweet Jelly Roll (hidden bonus)
  14. Led Zeppelin is tied with the Stones for me for my all time favorite rock band, and here's why. Both bands had extremely charismatic singers and guitarists; both had great lyrics, melodies and were extremely versatile in their ability to try, and conquer, other sub-genres. While CCR or such might've done roots rock better than Zeppelin, and Yes did Prog better than Zeppelin, Zeppelin has no parallel in terms of being the perfect, most accessible and melodic distillation of those genres. Zeppelin for me as no real rival outside of the Stones. Live they had NO match except for the Stones in 1972-1973.
  15. What's everyone's favorite Doors LP? Mine is Morrison Hotel.
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