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  1. Chef, you so right. The audience recorded tapes add so much life to the overall performance. Just recently, someone release an audience recording of the july 17 - 1977 Seattle show that we have been watching on video tape/dvd for years. I look at the performance so much better now having a recording that matches the performance. I have a few 80/Europe shows that are the same. The soundboards have little "life" to them. Very dry for sure. For me, I especially love the few minutes that precede the show. For example - on listen to this eddie, the first 2 minutes before the band kicks into The Song Remains the Same - the crowd starts to build up and the intensity picks up. You can feel the momentum building. That's when shows were events. A little before my time, but a time lost forever.
  2. fwb

    Seattle 1977

    I wish I was better at posting and moving things, I'm not. Someone here, recently, posted a audience recording of the 7/17/77 Kingdome show in Seattle. We have all seen the footage over the years. The audio very 'dry' and just not good. This audience recording is 100x better. It adds life to the recording. Gives me a whole new perspective on that show. Now I happen to be a fan of the 77 tour, warts and all. But it would be great to see someone match up the audio to the video we all have seen. Makes me wonder how something like this recording just shows up after 40 years .....
  3. I'll buy anything that is put out, sure a lot of you are the same. That being said, its true - Led Zeppelin ended in 1980. I understand the link to Jason and the O2 show was great and done for a great reason. But the fact that they realized that they were the 4 of them ONLY and called it quits is something I really have always admired from them. Unlike most every other band. They had their time of dominance and since then, the legend has grown and grown. Thank God what they have given us. I'm looking forward to anything I can get.
  4. I look at this website, mostly the message boards to see if there is anything new going on. Especially with Jimmy Page announcing possible future releases to celebrate Zep's 50th anniversary later this year. We are all wild with speculation and wondering what we might be getting. I also look a lot at Dave Lewis' site, Tight But Loose. Dave seems like a great guy, he has brought Zeppelin to life for all of us for many years. In celebration of Jimmy Page's birthday, Dave ran a re-run article from one of his magazines from, I believe, 2014. It was during Page's tour for the re-release of Zep IV and Houses. One of the questions was about any future live releases. Jimmy's replay was "Well, I remember talking to Ahmet Ertegun years ago. I said to him about putting out bootlegs and he liked the idea of having bootlegs of bootlegs, he thought this was fun, but it did not come to much. Everyone would have thought it was a good idea, you just see what's voted the top 10 bootlegs and just put them out." Jimmy goes on to say "A lot of ideas I had did not necessarily come to fruition and that was one of them." Lewis asks about Japan 71 and Page replies "I could..." but goes on to talk about the current promotions taking a lot of time. I would cut and paste the article but I'm not that savvy.... Now we all know Page has collected a lot of bootlegs and, supposedly, stuff was stolen from his archives way back when. And we know or speculate of multi tracks from hear and there. But I find these quotes interesting. I would buy anything he puts out. I think we all would. I really am not that tech savvy, but I see people using Matrix??? or whatever to clean up bootlegs and make them sound better. I am sure Page could do the same thing. He doesn't have to worry about anything legal, its his stuff!!! Either way, its exciting to speculate. I was listening to Fillmore 69 the other day. Today, Vancouver 75. I would love to see this and about 50 other shows cleaned up and packaged.
  5. I might be like most of you, I go through times were I listen to only one album for awhile. Times when I only listen to live or bootleg stuff. I don't seem to mix it up as much. Like Presence before it, maybe ITTOD suffers from a lack of overall variety we got use to on the first 6 studio albums. Would ITTOD be felt of differently if an acoustic number (perhaps a finished swan song) and/or wearing and tearing were on it? Maybe. Regardless, its a great album. I do wish Carouselumbras vocals were more audible (like on companion cd). But Fool in the Rain has become when of my favorite songs. That whole middle part is genius. Really good. AML, though overplayed on radio, has some of the most beautiful orchestration - especially when you factor in what its all about. I think a lot of us think of this album and think about what the next step might have been. But, its enjoyable for me and what I have been playing the last few weeks. Bad Zeppelin is great work by most artists standards. The fact that the band always tried to move on and not just do the same thing is key for me.
  6. Good one. When you turn up the volume way up and play the first disc of the Zeppelin DVD from 2003 - hear Bonham test his drum kit and WHAM!!!! What a show that Royal Albert Hall was ..... Great opening number for the DVD.
  7. Early on, they opened with Train Kept A Rollin or the Immigrant Song. Rock n Roll in 73 or 75. The Song Remains the Same seemed perfect for the opening song on the 77 tour. Ironically, Train Kept a Rollin for their last (not knowing). I think they all were fitting for their time. Question is - if you could change or you could have named the opening song for a future tour (say Zeppelin over America 80/81) - What would it be? Like most things Zeppelin, I have multiple choices, no losers here. But, I seem to gravitate to a song that has a long intro like In the Light or In the Evening. A long drawn out intro or a minute or two ( or more) and then BAM!!! Lights up, Robert singing band swinging. Thoughts?
  8. Forgive me if this might fit under another subject brought up already, like Presence (which is really about liking the album etcetc.) What I wanted to see is why people think that Presence wasn't the commercial success that almost all other Zeppelin albums were. When I was discovering Zeppelin on my own (after hearing it over and over from my younger siblings) in the 1980's, I honestly didn't even give Presence the time of day at first. When CDs became all the rage - I got them, one at a time. I had heard all the classics from the other albums over and over. To this day, except for a "Get the Led Out" or special program, you don't hear anything from Presence in regular rotation. For me, one day I hear Hots on for Nowhere and loved it. Noticed Robert's voice and thought it might be on one of his solo albums. I heard it was on Presence from some kid (pre internet/info age) and went and got the Presence cd. Achillies, Nobody's Fault - AMAZING!!! Why aren't these songs on everyday with Whole Lotta Love, Rock n Roll, Over the Hills .... Now I have a few guesses. I know it was the summer of Punk and they were dinosaurs by 1976. Also, it's the only album, till that time, where they either weren't on tour or where about to go out to support it. Remember the album release in 76 and the 77 tour where a year apart. And, the movie The Song Remains the Same came in the middle. Also, its probably the only album they did which was straight forward - guitar driven only. No acoustic, keyboards. Just guitars. Maybe the lack of variety or a regular played song on radio hurt it. Any thoughts? I find it ironic that many of us nuts praise the album. Maybe were just tired of some of the other albums, I get that. But it truly is a real good record. It's just funny that you see such high sales for the entire catalog and Presence is just kinda stuck with small sales (though sales which almost any human could live off of!!!!).
  9. I remember the excitement in 1994 to hear that Robert and Jimmy were getting together to do what would become the "Unledded" program and subsequent tour. I really had no problem them doing it without John Paul Jones. Even though it was somewhat of a reunion I always respected most that they called it quits in 1980 upon John's death. That being said, I liked the program the night I saw it, but probably never appreciated the true musicianship for at least a few years. Many people I knew just wanted to see them play it like the album etcetc .... I did get to see the boys a few times that tour when they were in the NY area. I particularly liked what the orchestra did for SIBLY. And, how the hell did that version of the Rain Song not be put in original program? I was just thumbing around youtube and saw a version of Ten Years Gone done with the orchestra in early 96. Never knew they did that, it most have been in and out of set quickly. FANTASTIC!!!! My question is, what other songs do you think would have been enhanced or made better by having the orchestra play along? For me, I would love to have seen them do All My Love - it has a one man orchestra on the original recording (JPJ). But would have sounded great with violins and such. It was great to see the boys expand their songs and not just play them the regular back then. Any ideas? It's amazing they came up with playing their stuff like that way back in Bombay in the early 70's. What a group.
  10. I was driving somewhere just before and the studio version of Whole Lotta Love came on. I was by myself, so I really jacked the volume up. I hadn't really listened to the studio version in awhile (even when its on radio, I am so use to hearing it, I paid no mind to it). I do love most of the live version of the song and the improv that usually accompanies it. But after hearing the studio version today, I have to go with WLL studio. With headphones on, the recording is so heavy, so menacing. It's captured so perfectly. One of the great things about Zep is that sometimes they do enough different with a live version of a song that it almost feels like another song. Can't lose either way, but WLL studio, today, is for me.
  11. Yeah, maybe I could have worded it a bit differently. But other than the songs that are overplayed on the radio like Stairway, Rock 'n' Roll, Dancing Days (to name just a few), I really have no preference between the studio and live versions. Of course, when a song has improvisation like Trampled or Dazed and Confused, it brings it to another level, almost another song. But for me, Celebration Day is one song that I find really only wanting to hear live. Just seems like it has that extra energy live it didn't have in the studio. Maybe just me, and its only a few songs.
  12. Like most of you, I find myself listening to bootlegs and live recordings a majority of the time. I see listings to favorite live versions of songs and the various opinions on each. My question was - is there a song or songs that you feel are better in their live versions (or one particular version) than they are on the original studio album? For example, I find live versions of Celebration Day to be a lot better than the version on Zep III. Maybe a little more energy or whatever. But Celebration Day from TSRTS is amazing. I also find the shorter versions of No Quarter from the 73 tour a bit better, mostly because of the extended solo. However, I do love live versions of Stairway, but don't find it necessarily better. Just different than hearing the same version on the radio over and over. Thoughts?
  13. I am interested to see how this topic goes. I brought this up because my feeling is this - Peter Grant and the Zeppelin camp have usually made this front that bootleggers were bad and this and that. When in fact, for us hardcore fans, all we have is the live shows that leak out to either look forward too or look back and compare. Their our topics on this board like the best live Rain Song. We can go to you tube and find at least 15 versions not from The Song Remains the Same. It keeps the flame alive. My second favorite band (a distant second, mind you) is Van Halen (Roth only). The idea of news in their camp is Sammy not being told happy birthday when he turned 70. And their active, supposedly. But we Zeppelin people are listening to hundreds of shows. And waiting for the mythical ones as well to appear. I think this is the way the band wanted it. This will keep them fresh and relavant from now to eternity. Most of us weren't alive or old enough to see them live. Yet, those tapes keep us coming back and building the legend. Plus, they were really good.
  14. I've been a huge Zeppelin fan, like most of you, for most of my life. Being the youngest of 4, I heard a lot of it until I became a real listener when I was a young teen. When I was in high school, I listened to all the albums that had been released in their time (I was too young to see them when they were active). I also was a frequent visitor to a flea market that sold bootleg Zeppelin cd's. I believe all of the bootlegs were of live performances. No studio outtakes or the like. I remember their being an abundance of stuff from the 'Over Europe' tour from 1980. In regards to those bootlegs, I just recently heard a fan recording of one of the 1980 shows (as opposed to the soundboard ones) and it was so much better. I actually have a new appreciation for that tour. The soundboards just don't have the life in them. But my question to you all is what confuses me about the whole bootleg thing. I have read of times when Peter Grant and his "people" had run in's with those recording shows, apparently illegally. We know that he held a tight fist over all Zeppelin business and deeply cared for the boys. I know there is really no true way to stop such things. But, you can probably get %70 of all Zeppelin shows in one form of bootleg or another. Plus studio outtakes etcetc... I have heard about a break in to Page's house in the 80's that some of this stuff got out from. But how could, legally, any company put out such lavish sets like the recent release from Vancouver 75? Isn't that Zeppelin property? Especially is its stolen and sold ... From what I have gathered bootlegs vinyl was circulating in the 1970s as well from Blueberry Hill to Destroyer to Listen to this Eddie. Now, my take on this whole thing is this. Back in the day, information was not easy to get and Zeppelin wasn't giving any. Their live shows were well thought of. Peter Grant know that bootleggers were out there, but looked the other way (with the occasional confrontation to look concerned). These live shows circulated and spread the legend - free publicity. As time went on, the legend of shows grew. Remember, we had, until 2003 - only a few legal shows to listen to - The Song Remains the Same and BBC Session. Then, How the West Won was released. For many of us, we know all about the band and their will never be any real news again. But, what keeps me coming back to the band on a almost daily basis is the live stuff that is all over. Different versions. Great versions. Not so great. Whatever. But, it keeps us all talking and wondering what is next. Detroit 1977 video? Does it exist? What live show is coming down next? Again, something to look forward to in the future. If that was Peter Grants plan, it was brilliant. It costs them some, for sure, but keeps the interest in the band fresh. Was wondering what peoples thoughts were on this subject. I often prefer live versions to studio, part because its different, plus some of the improvisation is fantastic. Also, audience recordings like Listen to this Eddie really give you the atmosphere. My favorite part is actually non music. Its the first 2 or 3 minutes before the first song when the crowd is getting amped up. You hear the boys tuning up and feel the crowd getting ready to explode. I can see it in my mind.
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