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SunChild

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  1. Oh, you're right. I mixed egotism up with irrationality, there. (Can't imagine why. ) So folks may make up their own minds: http://www.manicnirvana.com/ Hey HotPlant, look for my "JIMMY PAGE IS UNBELIEVABLY GREAT" thread, coming soon. Heck, if a single pro-Page post can start all this, think what a whole thread can accomplish!
  2. LOL, honestly. Honey, they can have him. No hero of mine is so weak he needs constant attention and praise and cannot withstand thoughtful analysis. Besides, had I remained a Plant fan, I'd have to hang around with a bunch of nauseatingly fawning, self-congratulatory and one-note fans. No, thank you. I did talk about Page's accomplishments: http://forums.ledzeppelin.com/index.php?s=...st&p=301946 As per usual, Plant's insecure gaggle wasn't interested in discussing Jimmy Page. It doesn't matter where I attempt to start such a discussion, people are standing by 24/7 to jump in and change the topic to Robert, and ridicule and put down others... oh, so kindly, like little elves, impish as Plant himself... welcome to "HiBob Mania." Now, back to the topic I've been tryting to discuss - I think it was industry changing, the cover of LZ IV. Have an opinion on that? Jimmy Page came up with that, you know, fought Ahmet Ertegun tooth and nail. Legendary, that is. Prince should kiss Page's feet, concering the whole symbol thing, don't you think?
  3. Poor thing. I hope you get better soon.
  4. Thanks Buckeye, that's cool! Happy solstice, everyone!
  5. Yes, that was John Paul Jones's aim, I believe. Maybe this discussion also belongs in that thread about the humor in Zeppelin songs? "Hey guys, let's watch people try and dance to THIS!"
  6. Where in this thread have I expressed dislike or criticism of Robert Plant? Quotes, please. You know what's a shame? I used to love Robert Plant. I got back into Zeppelin because I was impressed how vital "Might Rearranger" is, and it led me back where I belong. Then, I experienced "hiBob Mania" (good one!) Before a year was out, my ardor for Plant was done. You want unobjective, baseless, insane, even pointless? Read some of his followers; they give sycophancy new meaning. Their inability to think critically (and by that I do not mean just negatively) is no recommendation for Plant, no matter what they think. Yet somehow, there's something wrong with me (I'm a jilted lover in my fantasies now, huh? - yeah, Hot Plant, the kindness is overwhelming) because I don't think "Fortune Teller" is the musical equivalent of any single given guitar solo in "No Quarter?" (Wait, am I on the Led Zeppelin board? ) So, have I talked enough about Robert now? Can we go back to under-discussed topics like Page's technical and business savvy (and innovations), his visual artistry, the fact that as a guitarist he's much more than a riff master? Seriously, folks, acknowledging Page's singular contributions to Zeppelin is not a put down of Robert Plant, or anyone else.
  7. Please show where I denied the band's success being due to all four of them? What I said was, it took a great producer and band leader to keep that together and moving onward for so long. Producing the records is a job all its own, and can indeed make or break a band (speaking of the Yardbirds). That's just a fact. You seem to disagree; perhaps you'd care to actually discuss it? That is, Jimmy's part in the band's success, then and now? As an aside, do you and Kentucky Girl want to know why the Plant vs. Page thing will never die? It's Plant's fans' inability to be reasonable on this topic, and simply give Page his due. His. I haven't written about Plant in several posts now, and here you are discussing him again. I am writing about Page's accomplishments in music, responding to Mick Wall and other people implying that he has something to prove about his artistry. Hell, Wall thinks his lack of recent output is "tragic"... is that really your idea of utmost respect? Because I think it's the opposite. (I also think it's Wall trying to mind fuck the master - well, good luck, buddy! ) Me, I'm deeply grateful for his playing in "Dazed and Confused" alone. There's more than one span of guitar playing here and there throughout that catalog and on bootlegs that have healed my very soul. Is that ok to say outloud, or must I also add, well of course Robert is FANTASTIC, every time? Lack of discussion of Robert Plant for two pages is not perpetuating some kind of bashing party, honest. What a lovely post! Cheers!
  8. What made me smile today: Christmas Carols for the Mentally Challenged 1. Schizophrenia --- Do You Hear What I Hear? 2. Multiple Personality Disorder --- We Three Queens Disoriented Are 3. Amnesia --- I Don't Know if I'll be Home for Christmas 4. Narcissistic --- Hark! the Herald Angels Sing About Me 5. Manic --- Deck the Halls and Walls and House and Lawn and Streets and Stores and Office and Town and Cars and Buses and Trucks and Trees and Fire Hydrants 6. Paranoid --- Santa Claus is Coming to Get Me 7. Borderline Personality Disorder --- Thoughts of Roasting Someone on an Open Fire 8. Full Personality Disorder --- You Better Watch Out, I'm Gonna Cry, I'm Gonna Pout, Maybe I'll tell You Why 9. Obsessive Compulsive Disorder ---Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle Bells ... 10. Agoraphobia --- I Heard the Bells on Christmas Day, But I'm not leaving My House 11. Senile Dementia --- Walking in a Winter Wonderland Miles From My House in My Slippers and Robe 12. Oppositional Defiant Disorder --- I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus So I Burned Down the House Also, IT'S FRIDAY!!
  9. The contingent on this board who give Plant his due can't even handle it when someone does nothing more than give Jimmy Page his propers...
  10. Well, there's a whole contingent of folks who give Plant his due. I think that's well covered. I disagree that Jimmy's work away from the stage and the guitar played a small role in Led Zeppelin's success and longevity. Yes, the chemistry among them all, and between him and Plant, was remarkable and played a part, and the amazing talent and musicianship of all of them did too. But that's not all it took; a bad producer could've fucked that up and then some. A band leader with less comittment and more "lead player's disease," someone who didn't believe in allowing other people's wills to come out, especially amongst that group of heavy hitters, well, I shudder to think. The history of bands is filled with talented, charismatic people who are one hit wonders. Someone else said the Beatles have George Martin, and Zeppelin has Page, and I agree with that. Page found his niche, and it's mind blowing and soul inspiring. He proved he can still stir it up on December 10, 2007... and people have been waiting with excitement ever since. (No little kudos to the others, I hasten to add.) If you admire Plant's accomplishments, shouldn't you at least be as impressed with what Page has accomplished? Instead some people, on this site, in the press and among musicians, have climbed aboard a spin machine of trying to shame or embarass or guilt or encourage Page into performing without Robert; or else suggesting it's crazy for him to even consider performing without Robert (talk about damned if you do, damned if you don't.) I'm not sure what they want Page to prove. That he can write music? Produce records? Play the guitar? How about, lead the biggest rock band in the world and then keep its music vital and alive from generation to generation? Not good enough, or at least, there are those who keep asking, "sure, but what have you done LATELY?" (Really, would these folks finally be impressed if he did a cover of the Everly Brothers' "Bye Bye Love?") At any rate, I'm sure it's true Page has "potential," because to me, it's awe-inspiring how much he's realized it. (edited to correct grammar, ironically.)
  11. Thank you both. Yeah, it's unfortunate that's the road Wall chose to go down to raise some sand about his book.
  12. Oh, heck, let's cut to the chase... the subtext people are detecting is that Robert is a vital artist 'cuz he's kept singing and exploring differing musical styles since 1980, while it's regrettable how Jimmy is not using his talent and abilities because he concentrates mainly (but not exclusively) on a catalog from the 70's. Leave aside that any human being in their right mind would be happy to claim or recognize that catalog as a life's work, or that because of his work reclaiming and remastering it, generations to come will be listening to Zeppelin. It's sheer myth that Page has been sitting around doing nothing after Zeppelin. In reality he's kept right on playing guitar in every decade since, and in many styles, too. Has he had the same commerical success? No. Doesn't mean he's done nothing vital or worthwhile. Is it the artistic exploration thing? Jesus Christ in a chicken basket, people, Page was making a living and earning a reputation playing everything under the sun while Robert Plant was still living at home with his mum. Maybe he's been there, done that, wrote the book on it and got the t-shirts already? Then, he created music and in fact helped launch an entire musical style that has influenced untold numbers of people and musicians, starting with the Yardbirds and becoming full blown with Zeppelin. Was it all four of them together that made it so phenomenal? Of course. Who was it again who put them together? Who was in the studios to wrap each album up? As hard as Robert worked in the 70's Page worked four times harder, and AFAIC he's also worked harder in the 2000's. I'm still looking for that chunk of skull his wicked, razor sharp guitar playing blew off the first time I heard the O2 show. Jimmy Page can spend the rest of his life with a remote in his hand and I wouldn't think a remotely negative thing about it, much less lament about it. If he wants to play in public again, well, bless him. If he doesn't, bless him just the same. If you ask me, Mr. Wall, THAT is some one who's "pulled it off."
  13. Yes, I know they won't call it Led Zeppelin. That's proper. The O2 wouldn't be a bad note for Zep to go out on. I'm hoping there's more to come from Page and Jones, along with Jason, though. Personally, I hope Plant doesn't sing with them any time soon. People seem to think he's the only ex-member of Zeppelin allowed to perform in public, that somehow the others will "tarnish the legacy" or some such tripe. I hope they come out and kick ass without Plant, just to put that double standard to rest. It would mean more music for everyone! Hey - Streisand has one of the greatest voices of all time, and remains the biggest selling female artist. (Alison Krauss has won more Grammies, though.) Her style may not be your cup of tea, but she'd have taken the young Plant back to schoolin' in vocal performance without breaking a sweat, and retains more of her range today. It would be an interesting mash up! I don't think Plant would come close to absorbing her light. Speaking of... Ooh, entering dangerous waters there, friend... Jones did it too, if you like your brilliance without fuss and bother. We may make certain deductions from Plant's reluctance to share a stage with the two of them together again. (Though some would have you believe it's for those pikers' own good, you know... ) It does bother me that we will probably never know all those sessions.. Yes, welcome. What people keep doing is valuing everything since Zeppelin more highly than what went before or what was produced during the Zeppelin years, as though novelty is more important than timelessness.
  14. Yes. But to characterise it as tragedy is idiotic. Page has nothing to prove. (Least of all to some jumped up journalist who can't even write decent English, who is himself riding on Zeppelin's coattails to make a buck.) Thanks. I think so, too.
  15. With thanks to Nech, this woman sums it up nicely, for me anyway: Mick even claims Page… has squandered his immense talent and now rarely plays guitar.… “These days he’s far more likely to have a remote control in his hands. From what I’ve heard from mutual friends, he just sits watching football on the telly. Tragic, really.” "Squandered"? The man who played on about 60% of Britain's hit singles in the early sixties, formed one of the best loved bands in the rock catalogue, wrote some of the best selling songs of all time, arranged and produced six of the best selling albums of all time, and is a consistent top three guitarist in all professional guitarist polls? What the hell do you have to do to fulfill your potential in Wall's world? http://peromyscus.blogspot.com/2008/11/sour-grapes.html
  16. Exactly! I thought the brilliance of the thing is that the drum eventually matches up? Hence "rolling bass part" - ? What goes around, comes around... When your friend wraps his head around Black Dog's rhythm, he may suddenly become a bigger Zep fan.
  17. Um... this fan of the rockers is fine with seeing them without Plant.
  18. Hear, hear! It cracks me up that a guy who obviously devoted a huge amount of time and energy to writing a book about Led Zeppelin, a book that's chief selling point over several others is that the author was once a personal friend of Jimmy's, would be so clueless as to complain that Page is stuck on Zeppelin. LOL! Hypocrite, much? He was also, after all, biding some of his time while Robert decided which way to jump. I find it hard to imagine Jimmy Page doesn't play his "precious mistress" on a regular basis, as evidenced by his kick ass performance at the O2 show and a great job with the Foos. I also doubt Mick Wall is in his house 24 hours a day to know about it, for heaven's sake. Anyway, if Page puts down the guitar to pick up a remote, or a book, or spend time with his children or grandchild, it's not some kind of tragedy, for heaven's sake. His life's work so far is already much more than Mick Wall has enough imagination to appreciate, it seems. Which means I won't be buying this book.
  19. Thanks Steve. Good question. They flirted a bit with Marin County, but never really settled in there, did they?
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