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  1. 1 hour ago, DogsoverLava said:

    How about this as a corrected point then:

    • It is NOT ALLEGED that Spirit played Taurus Live at any event or venue that Zeppelin attended.
    • That it seems to be a matter of record that at the events (just a few) that both bands presences can be verified, Spirit did not play "Taurus".

     

    That's OK, maybe it should be "No one can remember if Spirit played Taurus Live at any event or venue that Zeppelin attended."
    I haven't studied the docs at Scribd enough to be completely sure.

  2. 12 hours ago, DogsoverLava said:
    • That it is further established that Spirit did not play "Taurus" live until after STH was written - at least a decade after.

     

    That is wrong, if one reads the docs posted at scribd it's clear that they included Taurus in their sets often in 1967, and probably (much) less frequently in 1968 and later.
    What is interesting of course is if they played Taurus when they played the same venue  as Zeppelin, I don't think they managed to prove that.

  3. 1 hour ago, IpMan said:

    Page had the album in his collection in the 1990's, not in 1970.

    Due to the fact the "musical expert" got several comparison points between STH & Taurus wrong (the songs do not follow a similar pattern and do not descent the same as this jackass attests. Taurus is four exact descending measures; STH is three ASCENDING followed by two descending measures), and Mr. Ferguson, Spirit's lead singer testimony that Spirit never played the song live until the late 80's, I would have to conclude this claim is bogus without the audio source to reference and listen to. 

    No, Taurus is not closer to STH, they are very different progressions played in the same key in the same time. 

    When I said that Taurus sounded more lite STH than CMAR that was just IMO, I haven't done any musical analysis.

    It's obvious if one reads this that Spirit played Taurus live many times in the sixties:

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/307973357/Summary-Judgment-Ruling-in-Skidmore-v-Led-Zeppelin

  4. 31 minutes ago, IpMan said:

    They never specified exactly where the money would be going.

    I haven't found much info about the trust, but these links indicate that at least some of the money is going in the right direction:

    http://www.vcstar.com/news/education/elementary-school-band-is-rock-musicians-legacy-ep-363463554-352053911.html

    https://www.newwestsymphony.org/education/harmony-project.php

    http://camarillo.macaronikid.com/article/911630/14th-annual-festival-of-talent-is-saturday-feb-28

  5. 7 minutes ago, IpMan said:

    If anything, Jimmy was influenced by Davey Graham's Cry Me A River since he was a big fan of Graham's and has cited his as influence numerous times. I assume he was very familiar with Cry Me A River and likely played it while doing session work. Being around classically trained musicians they probably told him that Graham did not really write that, referenced the classic works, and explained the lament bass and how prevalent it is in just about all forms of modern, western music.

    That would be my guess and yes, I serious doubt any of the members of Zeppelin ever heard Taurus prior to STH. The song was an obscure track on an album no one within the band appears to have owned (Robert had a compilation album). According to Spirit's lead singer, the band never played Taurus live. So, in light of this info, the fact that the music industry was very singles driven at the time, and no one outside of hardcore Spirit fans, and the band, even heard this song it is absolutely no stretch to believe the Zep boys ever heard Taurus.

    Page confessed to having the the album in his collection.
    The document linked below lists several recorded live performances of Taurus, most of them from 67.

    https://www.scribd.com/doc/304931296/Skidmore-v-Led-Zeppelin-Kevin-Hanson-expert-Declaration-pdf

    Cry Me A River is sounds a lot like Stairway but Taurus is even closer!

     

  6. 8 hours ago, IpMan said:

    Yes indeed I am calling them greedy since that "charity," and I use that term loosely, appears to be quite fishy. You see, in the US anyone can establish a charity ala non-profit and per law, you only need to allocate 5% of all income to the actual charity while giving the remaining 95% to "administrative & advertising expenses." So be wary in the US when someone says charity, you need to really research them because most are bogus. A good example of this is United Way, I would not give them the sweat off my balls since less than 8% of all income and donations actually go toward the people this charity is supposed to aid. Just go by one of their regional offices sometime, if you see a car parked in the lot which is valued at less than $70,000, the plumber must have shown up.

    OK, now I understand you a bit better. But you say it (the Randy California trust) "appears to be quite fishy". What evidence do you have?

  7. 39 minutes ago, IpMan said:

    Two sisters, attempting to rip the last pieces of flesh from the corpse of their dead brother to satisfy their greed, only to find the flesh putrid and decayed. Pathetic. These two should be ashamed of themselves. 

    For me the Pepsi Challenge was the fact Randy California himself never brought suit, and, that the publishing and record companies themselves consulted a music expert in 2014 to discover merit, if any, existed. If the publishing company and record company, both with deep pockets, concludes there is no case, well then, there obviously is no case. I believe these sisters were hoping for emotion to carry their futile case ala OJ, that is using the name of a dead musician and a charity to win favor with the courts and jury.

    That is some seriously sick and twisted logic there. I feel sorry for Randy California as it must have been hell growing up with those two succubi.

    They are giving the money away to charity and I you call them greedy??  That's what _I_ would call "some seriously sick and twisted logic"....

     

  8. 20 hours ago, Mercurious said:

    Alright, interesting note:  the author of "Fresh Garbage" is Jay Ferguson, Spirit's lead singer, also in charge of percussive flourishes like the Latin drums we hear in "Fresh Garbage."  In fact, Ferguson wrote most of Spirit's first album. "Taurus" is the only song with Randy Wolfe's name on it, and Mark Andes the bass player contributes on two of the 11 tracks. LINK album notes here.  So where oh where is Ferguson in all this?  Why have we not heard from him?   He's alive and well, scoring the music for "NCIS: Los Angeles", according to wikipedia.   Like Jimmy, he's friends with Joe Walsh or was at one point.  I'd be very interested to hear what the singer who wrote 90% of Spirit's debut album has to say about this lawsuit.  

    Recent interview clip with Jay about the lawsuit:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nimD1T7VDdI

    He doesn't say much.

    Jay played keyboards with Joe Walsh during the late seventies, and Joe played on many of Jays solo-albums. Alice Cooper recently covered Spirits 'I Got A Line On You', Walsh played on it.

  9. 19 hours ago, Balthazor said:

    Just to clarify, are you saying that Spirit's drummer testified that Taurus wasn't ever played live? If that is the case, then it's odd that it was never reported in any of these stories because that would be a big revelation.

    And that's awesome about meeting Plant in the bathroom. That's a story I'd tell to everyone I know or ever meet. Hey, did I ever tell you about the time I pissed with Robert Plant? Great stuff.

    Jay Ferguson was the _vocalist_ of Spirit. He sometimes played percussion.

  10. 14 hours ago, Balthazor said:

    Hopefully Zeppelin's defense will point out or has pointed out that Stairway features an ascending melody on top of the descending arpeggio, something which Taurus lacks. I'm not sure how they can be considered the same when they are, in fact, different. But this whole case was baloney from the beginning. Just some money-grubbing hyenas suing on behalf of a dead guy who never seemed to care enough to file a lawsuit himself.

    I don't know if this has been posted here yet, but here's an audio clip of an interview with Randy California just a few weeks before his death. It's about STH of course...:


    http://turnmeondeadman.com/randy-californias-thoughts-on-stairway-to-heaven/

  11. 2 hours ago, Strider said:

    So...I am down at the courthouse this morning going thru the security checkpoint. Taking off my shoes and the whole bit. Then the guy asks for my ID and that's when I discover to my horror that in my haste this morning to get down to the courtroom, I had forgotten to grab my wallet out of the pants I wore yesterday. They would not let me in.

    So I hung around with the news camera crews outside waiting for Jimmy and Robert to arrive, chatting with some of the guys.

    A black SUV pulled up and a guy with a grey ponytail stepped out. It was Michael Skidmore...the bass player of Spirit

    Mick Skidmore has never played bass with Spirit.

  12. On 2/28/2016 at 8:26 PM, RIP-IT-UP said:
    On 2/28/2016 at 8:26 PM, RIP-IT-UP said:

    Page claimed in the interview, as I stated above, that" Spirit was one of the best bands" he ever saw "in the States". This interview was done shortly after TSRTS, because a lot of the questions during the broadcast interview pertained to the movie.   However, the point is that a full 7+ years after playing shows with Spirit/ and or seeing Spirit live (i.e. 1969)-he still said this years later.  Over the years, Page must have seen dozens of bands in the States from the 60's right thru to the time of this interview. And he still chose  to point out Spirit as a favorite.    So , yes he clearly remembered Spirit.  No one would state a band as one of the best if they didn't remember them, yes? ( I won't even go into the fact that Zep put part of Spirit's "Fresh Garbage" tune into their live cover of "As long as I have you" medley, as documented via bootleg in the famous San Francisco 04/27/69 concert.)

     

    "I recall seeing the group Spirit use one" [a theremin]
    (Jimmy Page, in the book "Tangents within framework" by Howard Mylett, p. 23)

    And now all of a sudden he doesn't remember anything;-)

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