DogsoverLava
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Very nice - very nice. !!!
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Deconstructing Kashmir
DogsoverLava replied to the body electric's topic in Led Zeppelin Master Forum
Here's the arrangement leading into the breakdown at the first coda section.... still scratch tracks as we build the arrangement and tweak the time grid. -
You guys do such nice work. This is really good. The deeper you dig, the more Zeppelin yield the gold!
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Deconstructing Kashmir
DogsoverLava replied to the body electric's topic in Led Zeppelin Master Forum
Thanks - I'm interested in where you got the info about the guitars used on the recording.... I've been listening pretty close trying to "hear" the Fender 12 on there - I have not picked it out of the mix yet but I'm deconstructing and rebuilding it now. I'm in the middle of recording a N4N recreation of the song --- here's some early sketches of me working out the orchestration I beat mapped the drums from the original zeppelin tune to create my time grid then programmed my own drums in (but kept Bonzo's time drift). I've just been adding instruments and tweaking the sound trying to zero in on the mix and production secrets as I build the arrangement. Here's where I'm at now.... still a long way to go. -
Deconstructing Kashmir
DogsoverLava replied to the body electric's topic in Led Zeppelin Master Forum
Can you confirm where this came from? --- It does sound very much like the actual track (drum bass and one guitar) and it does indeed sound like this cycle continues through the early bridges (that feature brass and violins) underneath what we normally "hear" as the bridge... my only question is the tempos are different from the original (but the tuning isn't different) which would seem to not make sense unless this has been manipulated digitally to preserve the pitch.... otherwise this would have to be an alternate take? If you've ever tried to play the bass part with the bridge section overlay it is very very hard to do --- and this answer the question to me why JPJ's bass only changes on some bridge parts and stays the same as the verses on others..... because the initial arrangement before brass and strings didn't have the bridge inserts/overlays.... -
Cool -- We decided to do both Seaside and Kashmir -- two at the same time.... Hoping these won't take 18 months! The general process is basically to live with the song(s) - endless plays on repeat for weeks and weeks while studying drums scores, transcriptions, tutorials... any available resources that are out there and audit the track - literally note for note trying to find out what people get right and wrong... slow things down - isolate certain instruments using selective EQ settings etc... And we start recording scratch tracks, basically building the arrangement and the mix (while learning all the parts) as we go..... dialing in the sounds, working out all the mix and production trickery.... We may recording 50 or even 100 takes of any particular part as the project evolves and we get closer to figuring it out.... and when we're done we have a complete working arrangement of the song and mix that we sometimes will abandon (but use as a template) to re-record an entirely new version of the song yet again - sometimes with dozens of new takes per track.... Seaside is going to be really cool - there are not a lot of N4N covers out there - and nobody tries to N4N the piano when they play it..... (lots of the Seaside covers are "blocked" on YouTube.) Getting the Fx right will be tough... that's the biggest challenge I think. Totally excited to pull that off....
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Thanks man. We got really lucky with the vocals (last thing that was done). Clay has a really syrupy quality to his voice here just like Plant does... You gotta be fearless to tackle Robert's vocalizations because they are always pretty raw and very naked.... It's why I'm not singing this one - I just don't have that ability to let it hang out there like that. We really appreciate the support. Our next project is in discussion right now -- I'm leaning towards Down by The Seaside - others (including my wife) keep pushing for Kashmir.... I just like the challenge of "Seaside" because of that fantastic electric piano part. No quarter is another favorite of mine as well (also a great Electric Piano part).....
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At The Stairway Project we have completed another N4N Zeppelin cover - this time it's Ten Years Gone. The cover was recorded over a period of 18 months and we recently completed it after finding a really good volunteer vocalist who could bring out that Plant vocal vibe..... here it is. This was all done in a home studio. Hope you all enjoy. For more information about the cover or The Stairway Project you can visit the site here: http://www.thestairwayproject.com/the-stairway-project-presents-ten-years-gone/
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Guitar tone "Houses of the Holy "
DogsoverLava replied to Jeff Reichenbach's topic in Musician's Corner
try the delay pedal with a super short delay time (and feedback). You'll hear it simulated. Jimmy I think used an out of phase pickup selection on his tele - I have a fender guitar that is wired for an out of phase tone and you can hear it immediately. -
I think, from what I've read, that the general consensus is that Taurus was not played live at any of the specific Zeppelin related dates - and that it is not officially alleged otherwise.
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Jimmy is known as "Led Wallet"... very tight fisted with his money. I once read (and it may be bullshit) that Jimmy actually asked the band to pitch in some money for drinks/snacks at their first jam. Not sure if that is myth or known truth but the fact that he's very very tight with his money is pretty well known.
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How about this as a corrected point then: It is NOT ALLEGED that Spirit played Taurus Live at any event or venue that Zeppelin attended. That it seems to be a matter of record that at the events (just a few) that both bands presences can be verified, Spirit did not play "Taurus". What's important here (as was later posted) is that it was suggested previously through the oral history or popular myth that Zeppelin watched Spirit perform "Taurus" night after night and that this was the circumstances that preceded this monumental theft. I still think that there is no evidence of misrepresentation or deception on the part of Zeppelin in their testimony.
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The LA times is little more than a rag - but even if we take these statements as true fact (which I do) - I'm not seeing deception or lies. Why are some of you concluding that Zeppelin lied on the stand? I find it reasonable that access was possible - I find it "possible" the song was heard in some way shape or form -- in no way do I find that probable, nor do I find Zep's claims to the contrary necessarily untruthful and their claims of not remembering in any way a practice of deception.
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I suspect Jimmy owns pretty much every record from the era as a collector and that most of them were sent to him gratis by record companies. That the jury didn't "buy" some of Zeppelin's testimony is conjecture yes? I'm still trying to get a sense of what are agreed on facts or undisputed or proven facts.
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Well I'm asking specifically what you think they said or was said as testimony that was lies?
