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Its a good image
Currently I Interpret the joke as being solely for RPs benefit at the expense of the dreamers
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Yes I’m laughing my head off. What a joker.
He’s outside it, not inside it and he looks like he’s waiting for someone.
Side splitting..
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50 minutes ago, sam_webmaster said:
Robert Plant with his copy of the official 50th anniversary book 'Led Zeppelin by Led Zeppelin' published by ReelArtPress. Available now in book stores worldwide and online. For select stockists, please visit reelartpress.com. For your chance to feature on the official book Instagram account @ledzeppelinbook post a photo with your book and tag #ledzeppelinbook.
Ha! A bloody kebab shop
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6 minutes ago, Mook said:
I don't see how the O2 gig was a 'balls up', it was meant as a tribute to Ahmet Ertegun & it was a great one which we all now have a visual & audio record of for posterity.
No I though the O2 was spectacular! I was referring to what went off post O2 .
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21 minutes ago, z1inspector said:
IN RETROSPECT:
BOTTOM LINE
We were LUCKY the 3 were still around AND felt healthy enough to DO IT.
It NEEDED to happen to wrap things up for them on a positive note.
It happend & it happend even better than my imagination could come up with.
Plants voice throttled up almost beyond belief.
Of course we would LOVE more shows &/or material & none of them ever said they would refuse ever getting together in the future.
HOWEVER:
If i could ask from them ONE more REALISTIC thing:
It would be to do a SPECIAL TREET for the hardcore fans:
small live show(s) of ONLY DEEPER CUTS !
No Stairway ,no Black dog etc...
instead do:
out on the tiles, custard pie,dyer maker, the rover,in the light etc...
its even not impossible that some additional new creativity could generate!
Amen!
Yep
something else, no matter how small. Before they’re physically dead at least. Something positive.
The 02 was great but it all feels a bit negative now. Almost acrimonious between them. Ironic considering one of the ideas about not going back was to protect the legacy by not making a total balls up of it. It’s now a total balls up because after it’s definitely over we are going remember how this crap felt.
Seriously for me it will loom large
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2 hours ago, 76229 said:
I would've happily switched out Misty Mountain Hop for In The Evening, and Trampled for Achilles. According to Mick Wall Plant vetoed anything "too heavy metal", which meant no Immigrant Song and no ALS.
Me two I would have like to have seen ITE rather than MMH
I liked the way they did it during the page and plant days with a bit from the latter part of carouselambra in it.
Always thought that this way of doing the two songs together would have been the way Zeppelin would have done it had things been different.
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4 hours ago, cousinlouie said:
New interviews with the band on Spotify tonight!!!!
Doesn’t seem to be available through Apple Music!?
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2 hours ago, JTM said:
Bummer, No idea what Deezer is and I don't/won't do spotify or apple music.
They have also put out “hi res” versions via hiresaudio.com and the like
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Also I really like the video and visuals associated with this.
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Well I notice he’s sneaked the sunset sound mix of rock and roll in! So can listen digitally my vinyl copy doesn’t seem like the greatest pressing
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Don’t get me wrong I’m all for it! I’m banking on there being something compelling that they’re done with the photos such as how they have organised them or something different.
I want to believe..
im sure I’ve seen a lot of these photos already that’s all
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If you take the photos in the SDBS and the LZ photos from the JP book then surely you have enough photos without this new book?
im struggling to see what is to be gained by more photos?
perhaps it’s because I’ve not see how it’s going to be done....
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47 minutes ago, John M said:
This perfectly sums it up. Thanks for posting
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51 minutes ago, sixpense said:
Blu-Ray Audio
Oh yeah duh! Would that be different to the download? Maybe surround sound?
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8 minutes ago, sixpense said:
What’s the DVD for?
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On 20/01/2018 at 11:24 AM, Urozep said:
Playing in a studio could also mean a quiet rehearsal. As I said, I have no clue as to what they were playing-- but I'M sure they were there.
Dude. Why come on here and post that. Even if it were true no one could possibly take it seriously. A mega fan and this is your first time on here?
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It might be my limited imagination but...Well I’m guessing a condensed compilation of the photos and sequencing of, from the super deluxe books plus some more, slightly differing presentation of em.
Question for me is what further information would another photo book Provide?
Why do it?
I notice that in the announcement a point is made that they are all collaborating on it..
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I seem to be missing the graphs and pie charts?
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2 hours ago, fastbob72 said:
Mmm, ok is Jimmy Page sloppy or not. At times yes but that doesn't lessen his ability and fluidity when he's on his true form nor somehow reflect on him as somehow a less accomplished or 'agricultural' player not in the technical skill or true musical ability of the Vai's and Satriani's that have been touted as true virtuosos many times throughout this topic.
Think of it this way.The likes of said technique junkie, fret wanking, whammy bar, two handed tapping, scale burning maestros come from that Neo-Classical school of guitar player pioneered by I'd hesitantly say EVH and Randy Rhodes who you could say were the ones who if not the founders of that offshoot of rock/metal guitar style then the ones who truly brought it to a wider audience and set the early rules for the Paul Gilberts, Marty Friedmanns,Dave Mustaines to follow.
I hesitate, again, to loudly champion one of that styles heaviest hitters and most sneered at, that loveable and oh so modest retiring Swedish gent Yngwie Malmsteen because I've always felt he had a great deal more substance behind the shiny metallic crap of his outward image.He genuinely was Classically inspired,living and breathing Classical music in a way the others tipped their hat to.I always felt they used it as a vehicle, Vai and Satriani in particular where as it was Malmsteens alpha and omega.His playing does move me in a way Vai and especially Satriani completely fail to.Not in anyway does that detract from their incredible ability.
Anyway, I digress or I did some way back. That whole. discipline of guitar with it's fundamental roots more entrenched in Classical Music than traditional blues and folk inspired rock is by it's very nature going to be infinitely more structured,theory and protocol based than the very freeform, spontaneous and DIY nature of folk music and blues that inspire the likes of Jimmy Page. So to compare them like for like and say that Page isn't as technically proficient is understandable but to then go on to suggest that therefore he isn't quite as musically able or somehow lesser than those of the more modern types doesn’t follow because their fundamentally different despite being guitarists.
Another way to put it is Mr James Marshall Hendrix is the only man I've seen who never once looked close to playing near the limit of his ability, if he had such a limit which I truly doubt. His like come along every few centuries and he truly stands beside Mozart in the genius states. I say that with no ironic intent, fully understanding the claim I'm making and fully believing it as true incase anyone wonders.The point being, even Jimi would possibly 'seem' less technically proficient next to the Vaitriani's yet there's two of them in the same time frame, one Hendrix every few centuries so tearing the fretboard apart with a modified Japanese Mixolydian/Aeolian Mode (if that remotely exists) isn't a true hallmark if your musical or even playing ability, just your mastery of the rules perhaps.
Jimmy Page was such a groundbreaking guitar player in a number of ways that he almost seemed to set him self up to be knocked down by all the lesser players, jealous guitarists that were made to stand aside while Jimmy was brought in to play the solos on their own singles.
Pete Townshend on I Can't Explain springs to mind for which he'll bear that grudge to the grave but it happened with The Kinks and countless others in the period before becoming a Yardbird. The fact he was in a league above all those players he was brought in as a sessions man on their records pissed off many of the guitarist of his times. He fell out with Clapton over some home made recordings they taped too so there was plenty of appetite to make the claim he was actually over rated, not as musically adept or technically accomplished as believed by those who don't really know better and definitely nowhere near as good as he believed himself to be.
The odd thing is how that idea has seeped into the consciousness of genuine rock fans outside of the music industry in recent years. Much like anything else
the good old interweb has disseminated these ideas out into the real world with understated efficiency without anyone really noticing or deliberately setting it in motion.
Yes he drops bum notes,has periods where it's plain to hear he hasn't been putting in the hard practice to hone his skills and get back into true form.
Drugs, fame and who knows what other distractions were often at the root of why he wasn't putting in the 100% dedication you'd expect. Maybe complacency too because when you're at the pinnacle of the music world and enjoying the unheard of rewards and success Zep earned at their peak then you could imagine someone perhaps not feeling that raw hunger to improve and progress they felt climbing to that height.
Besides he was much more than simply the guitar player of the band. He was a serious songwriter/composer,engineer,had the drive and vision for so many aspects of their music from how it was recorded, presented, marketed etc. In many ways although their were four equal members in the band Jimmy Page was Led Zeppelin.
Like I say, for every mortal musician below JH it's at best subjective and more often stormy and fraught with insensed feelings to start judging one guitarist against another. On what exact criteria do you judge, we wouldn't agree on that, who to fairly judge against who I doubt 3 real rock lovers would find a real consensus there either. Do we compare players of similar styles, eras or just a massive free for all. Even. if we could agree the terms on how to judge the results would cause world war 3.
Probably half of you reading this think I'm talking out my arse by raising Jimi Hendrix up so high so to expect to navigate our way to a rough narrative about what Page's rough bits of playing mean, if anything at all isn't that likely to occur...... but who expected it to anyway. lol.
What annnoys me in a silly but not really important way is the idea that he's sloppy because he's about feel rather than ability or skill. That sounds so much like making excuses for a man who absolutely has nothing to make excuses about.
Feel is such a nebulous and vague phrase that sounds so good but doesn't really mean much or more truthfully means something a little different to each one of us. I'd sooner say that his playing often had real movement and plain groove to it that very few rock bands ever managed to capture.
Almost a funkiness to the monolithic riffing unlike the Sabbaths and Purples of the time. While being unashamedly blues drenched rock Jimmy wasn't bound by those confines. Some of his live lead work could feel a bit disjointed compared to on vinyl but it wasn't the same music despite being the same song. How do you play 3 or 4 guitar tracks that were overdubbed in the studio om one 6 stringer on stage. Often he found different and new approaches that breathed a new and fresher life to the music when it was played live.
Afterall music is of the present moment, it's not set in stone like a novel or a painting but in it's truest form it's living and breathing. Each time it's played or sung it's created anew.
It ia about feelings, stories, being alive, life at it's best and worst. That's the essence of the blues but also real folk music before it began to stand for wooly jumpered,crafty arty types.
Traditionally it was about the pain of the poor downtrodden folk of England, Scotland, Ireland etc who suffered at the hands of the rich n powerful just like the singers of the blues did in more modern times but being white,from centuries past and British it obviously doesn't resonate the same despite being part of where the Blues itself came from.
All these many disperate strands are woven into Jimmy Pages music in ways not always immediately apparent but none the less making it stand out from all the rest that came and went between then and now.
Again as for his playing style I really cannot see how anyone could say he wasn't at times at the very peak of guitar playing ability. SRTS has some moments of playing that will stand alone even 150 years from now, just aslong as
are still beings around who can appreciate music. As for sheer quality to rival anythong else on vinyl you can't ask for better than his playing on No Quarter.
After listening to that and Since I've Been Loving You is the question of sloppiness or lesser ability remotely relevant.
Well put, I can't fault any on that.
Hendrix is allways the one topic that I find most interesting in these kind of debates.
With Page I almost find I'm willing him on during his playing like a high wire act. It adds to the tension.
with the vaitranis I'm sort of listening to how easy they make it sound .
Compare EVH and the kinks version of you really got me cos that just about sums it up for me
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if every track on each companion audio disk was a new "previously unreleased" song, then would it be companion audio to the original, or would it be a bonus disk or separate album ?
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On 03/12/2016 at 2:36 PM, Bong-Man said:
Now that it's been awhile, I still enjoy listening to the "Houses of the Holy" more than the others. "The Rain Song" & TSRTS are sonically pleasing, and OTHAFA ain't too bad either. The alternative disc seems to retain the flow of the original album compared to the others, and there's just enough subtle differences in the mixes to make it interesting. It seems to get the biggest reaction from people who haven't heard the new reissues whenever I pop it on. "Going to California" & "Thank-you" without vocals are favorites too.
I think the concept is quite simple.
remastered Album plus the same album but viewed from a different perspective.
the artwork says it all. Original album cover and then a sort of inversion of the colours for the second disc but in effect both discs share the same concept at their core. You couldn't have one without the other.
Perhaps we shouldn't consider the tracks individually so much as being a complete album.
imho I think what page has done here has added to and given further colour and illustration to the core of each of these albums in a very considered and artistic way. I think what's been done is completely unique . It also shows that he still has the eye and ear for it.
Who knows he may have even made something this clever out of the very little remaining. Or there may be more concepts to come....
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9 hours ago, Mook said:
I put on the HOTH companion disc yesterday & was blown away by how good it is, really glad I bought all these now as they're a real treat to go back & listen to, the different mix of Dancing Days sounds great, the instrumentals are superb & the Rain Song with the louder drums is a thing of rare beauty.
Yeah! I was delighted with houses companion disc too. It did take a couple of listens but I did start to notice more and more in it . Found OTHAFA particularly interesting
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5 hours ago, JTM said:
"The" ASDA !!!!!. so do you also say the Tesco or the Saiinsburys, the Morrisons, bet you say Home "and" Bargain too...
Haha No. Only used "The" in front of ASDA cos I thought it was the only one.
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7 hours ago, Xolo1974 said:
My favourite Zep tune. Still blows me away when I hear it.
I picked up my dad's LZII when I was 14. I was hooked after the opening riff
I used to put my dads Zeppelin records on when he went to the ASDA . He had 1 to 4 on vinyl . I made sure I put them back as if nothing had happened, just before he was due back. This would have been about 25 years ago . I remember trying to explain to my class mates what I'd discovered but at that time I couldn't find a single kid who knew em!!!!!
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Much better!