I chose these 10 songs based entirely on the studio versions and disregarding any preference I have for their live renditions. 1. Since I’ve been loving you 2. Black dog 3. Stairway to heaven 4. Heartbreaker 5. Going to California 6. Good Times bad Times 7. Over the hills and far away 8. I’m gonna crawl 9. The rover 10. Houses of the holy

These are the songs I used to not like, would skip over if I could, but I like them now, many, many years later: Hots On for Nowhere Royal Orleans Hot Dog Southbound Saurez Darlene Ozone Baby

Why not Black Dog and Heartbreaker?

No sound?

10-10-69 9-4-70 9-29-71 TSRTS Feb 14, 1975

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Never one of my favorites. In 30 something years, I've probably listened to it 5 times. However, I could see swapping it in for Hats Off to Roy Harper.

When it comes to replacing tracks on ITTOD, I would replace Carouselambra, which is over 10 minutes long, with Ozone Baby and Darlene. I think Southbound Saurez is almost a good song but the harmonies on the vocals turns me off. I do like the way the verse sets up the chorus though and when the chorus comes in, it does satisfy to some extent.

It's actually a lot of fun to play on the guitar too. It's also cool if you slow it way down to a crawl and play it something like a country blues. I've played in various Zeppelin cover bands over the years and no one ever suggested we play Hot Dog, except me, and I used to HATE that song. But something funny happens when the band starts playing it. If you look around, after the song gets off the ground, everybody has a smile on his face and they all get a kick out of playing it. It's a fun song. You know, Zeppelin doesn't always have to be serious, pensive, foreboding, reflective, sexual or mystical. Zeppelin can be lighthearted and fun too.

Funny you should say that! I used to hate The Crunge from the time I first heard when I was a kid until my mid 30s. I had a girlfriend in my 30s who didn't like Zeppelin or any cool music for that matter. She was younger than me and into Eminem and rap - freakin horrible. We'd listen to Zeppelin in the car (my choice of course) on long rides to the beach, and wouldn't you know it, every time we came to a solo, she would turn to me and start talking or asking questions about something. Girlfriend can sit silently for 11 minutes straight and as soon as a solo comes on it's yak yak yak. Anyhow, one day we were listening to HOTH and The Crunge comes on. She said, "Who's this? Yeah! This is cool!" and she cranked it up. We she'd use my car to go to the store or whatever, I could hear her pulling up later with TC blasting. When we went on long rides, she made me play TC. Here's the thing. I started to like the song! I played it myself over and over again and somehow developed a sincere appreciation for it. Well, that girlfriend is long gone but I still got The Crunge!

This album has grown on me over time. For many years, I hated Hot Dog! I used to wait up every night until 10:00 so I could hear the local radio station play Get The Led Out, three Zeppelin tunes back to back to back. I didn't have all the tapes back then (not yet) so I had a blank in the radio with my finger on the button in case they played a song I didn't have yet. I can't tell you how many times they played HOT DOG! I used to get so pissed off about it. Then, years later when I saw them perform it on the Knebworth gig, I had a different feeling about it. Then it got stuck in my head and I listened to it 1000 times in a row. Go figure. I think All of my Love is a great song. I love Jimmy's wimpy bends in the verses and I love the guitar tracks throughout. I think Plant's vocals are great too. The keyboard fits right in with the times that the album was made in. I'm gonna crawl has one of my favorite Page solos. I think it's a masterpiece and we're lucky he pulled it off in the state he was in. Fool in the Rain I think is a great tune! It's so happy and it always lifts me up. The solo is pure genius. To this day, I can't tell if it's great or terrible! Of course, In the Evening has the old Zeppelin magic all over it and South Bound Sourez was developed out of those piano jams during No Quarter in 1977. For me, the two worst songs are Wearing and Tearing and Candy Store Rock.

It's as though I wrote this. I think you are spot on. And I do mean SPOT on.

+1000

lol perhaps it does belong in the Controversial Opinions thread. As far as 6-21-77 goes, it's a pretty good show, no doubt, but the amount of hype it receives would lead one to believe they are playing like they did in Europe 73. I just don't think it measures up. Yes, it's a great show for 77, but it's still got 77 written all over it. You're a guitar player, I'm a guitar player - you know what I mean. And for RAH 1970, I don't know what to say. It's a good show, but it's not "all that" and there are plenty of other shows form 70 that I think are better than this one. I think it's a great show, but there are others from 70 that have the magic that this one, in my opinion, is missing. While we're talking about 1970, one show that seems to get mixed reviews is 3-21-70 Vancouver. When I first heard this show, I thought it was above average. Even now after listening to so many more bootlegs, I still think it's one of the better ones from 1970, but others think it was a kind of lousy show. Some think it's fantastic, others think is mediocre. That's really odd. Not too many other shows "enjoy" this dichotomy. I would have listed it as underrated but I didn't because many people do rate this show highly, so I left it alone.

Overrated: 3-12-75, Boston Tea Party Bonzo's Birthday Party Kezar Stadium 73 ROH 1970 6-21-77 Underrated: 10-10-69 Paris Hampton VA, 9-9-71 Honolulu 9-9-70 Paris 4-1-73 Feb 14, 1975 Zurich 1980

A great point. The problem for me, and I suspect a lot of us, is that we started as fanboys many years (decades) ago and had a lot to overcome. My first Zeppelin tapes were the early ones, like 4, 2 and 1. Then I got Zeppelin 3 and rolled with those four for a while. At the same time, I picked up the BBC sessions (back in about 1988, before they were officially released) and marveled at how awesome they were live. It was well known even back then, and even at the wise old age of about 14, that bands used "studio tricks" to make their vocals sound good and so forth, so when I heard the BBC sessions live (both 69 and 71) I was officially blown away. Then I picked up Blueberry hill and Heartbreak Hotel and I was convinced that Zeppelin were superhuman. Finally, I got TSRTS and I was a little befuddled at how Plant couldn't sing Rock and Roll like he did on the album. I thought he sounding kinda bad really, but I got used to it and besides, the band was smoking. All of this is what caused me to be a true fanboy in my teen years. Then I picked up Destroyer and Berlin 1980 and experienced some serious cognitive dissonance. For years I tried to find creative ways to rationalize the poor performances from 75-80. Eventually, I learned that there was no way to rationalize this and that drugs and unwise living had taken its toll. Simple as that. Now, so many years later, I'm at a point where I can look at the band as you said, without the fanboy rose-colored glasses and just see them for what they were, in reality. In "real" reality, and that actually adds a whole new mature dimension to my listening experience.

+1 I couldn't agree more.

LOL! LOL! Come on dude, be serious. Let's get back on topic.

Oh no, now you're just trolling!

lol Misogyny? Are you a feminist chick like Helen Reddy? You must be a millennial because guys from my generation didn't use the word misogyny. It's funny that you're all hung up on it too. lols Ever notice the girls didn't mind Zeppelin's misogyny? You know, back in the day, they used to say male chauvinist pig. Think Maude or whoever. Now instead of male chauvinist pig, they say misogyny. I don't lose sleep over Zeppelin being male chauvinist pigs lols. Time machine please - take me back to 1981.

Well said. This is where the genius lies, not in the technique per se.

I happen to think that Jimmy improved all the way until the end of the 1973 tour in MSG. I do know what you mean about those 69 and 70 shows though. Page played with full on energy and power throughout. His enthusiasm was palpable and it came through in his energetic playing. However, you may notice he repeats himself a lot in those early shows whereas in the later shows, he's in command of a much wider musical vocabulary. For instance, in the 69 shows, the shredding part of the ICQYB solo is almost the same as the unaccompanied solo in Heartbreaker. And the single string shredding he does in DAC after the initial bars of the solo is repeated again in HMMT, maybe even twice. I think he did less of that as time went on, but from 75 onward, his licks vocabulary shrunk again. As luck would have it, I listened just yesterday to the whole show from Paris, Oct 1969. It's a great example of 69 Zeppelin. In my opinion, one of their best from that year.

After the Thrilla in Manila, Muhammad Ali was never the same again. He fought some interesting fights from that point (1975) to the end of his career (1980) but it must be admitted now that he was simply a shot fighter after 1975. I think it's an interesting parallel with Led Zeppelin. Plant's range and Page's mind blowing solos on the first 4 albums were out of this world, and the live shows were stunning. But after Plant lost his voice (and even after he "recovered" what was left of it) and Jimmy forgot how to play at his very best, Zeppelin, like Ali, were a mere shell of their former glory. This week, I was listening to the European 73 shows and they are just breathtaking. Page's fluidity and imagination, his level of inspiration and the energy he played with was truly astounding. Earlier, I was listening to some shows from 71, and Plant's voice is in legendary form. That is Led Zeppelin in all its glory. After that, we all hate to admit it, but....

An excellent share!

4-27-69 Fillmore Blueberry Hill LA - Aug 21, 1971 Osaka 9-29-71 Berkeley 9-14-71 Adelaide Australia Feb 19, 1972 Uniondale June 15, 1972 LA - June 25, 1972 Essen March 22, 1973 Offenbach March 24, 1973