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  1. Controversial? Okay, strap in, I am going to get tons of hate spewed my way. 1. I can't stand the early live Zep concerts either, like someone earlier posted. I find myself embarrassed FOR plant with all the weird noises he makes. To me, Zep live didnt get good until 72 or so, and I much prefer the later 1977 or so concerts. This may have to do with my age...born in 1960. 2. I think plant is a total diva now, to ignore Zep but get all excited over Krause or the Fantastic Fence Posts. PLEASE! 3. I think plant would be a nobody if Jimmy didnt find him and while he owes us nothing, he does owe almost everything to Jimmy. Plants own words...he was disillusioned with his lack of success...he was going to try one more time. Then along came Jimmy. He showed a total lack of gratitude towards Jimmy after Zep disbanded. 4. I think a break after Bonhams death was appropriate and needed. I think they should have gone on with a different drummer after a few years break. Or better yet, once Jason came of age rebanded with him. 5. I think Jimmy at some point should have said to himself, "Okay, Robert will never come around. Time to replace him". AC/DC did it, Van Halen did it. Others have successfully also. Zep with Bonhams son, with Page and Jones and someone new singing...heck yes. Would still beat the stuffing out of any other band. And once plant saw the success while he was farting around with Soiled Sneakers or whatever group, he would beg to be let in. His ego would demand it (not faulting this...if I was plant my own ego would be HUGE). Plant held all the cards. Once he saw Jimmy simply get a new deck he would definitely want to be dealt a hand from it. Thus I blame the lack of Zep getting back together on Jimmy, he should have just gone ahead with it. Too late now, it will never be. 6. Coda is a good album. Cant understand why I read here that "Coda isnt a real album, its all songs that didnt make it to the album they were created for" yet these same people consider the SONG Houses of the Holy a real song. It didnt make it onto the HOTH album. Kind of a double standard. Poor Tom is GREAT. And I love wearing and Tearing. 7. In my opinion Presence is tied with PG for greatest album ever recorded in human history. Ever. Three masterpieces on vinyl. Ever. Etch it in stone. 8. The worst song in Zeps 92 song repertoire in my opinion is Fool in the Rain. Bonham must have sensed how weak it was so decided to try to salvage it with superb drumming. Probably the only Zep song I skip over if I hear it on the radio, that and the ending (last 4 minutes) of Carouselambra but I have NEVER heard that on the radio. 9. I wish Page would have been there in the mornings when ITTOD was recorded...maybe he could have over ridden plant and Jones with the very lame songs on that album. By far their worst. To go from the masterpiece of Presence to the doldrums of ITTOD.....wow. In the studio Page should have at least dropped the volume on Jones new electronic toy. My first album ever bought was Zep 4, for $2 when my allowance was 25 cents every two weeks (seriously), back in 1972 or 1973. You are looking at 4 months wages! I bought it because my brother had recently bought Zep 2 and I couldnt believe what I was hearing on our old mono record player!!!! Have been a Led Head ever since. Okay....I'm ready for the hate!
  2. LOVED the music from this movie. LOVED IT. Bought it on vinyl when it came out. Went to see the movie in Youngstown Ohio the first night it showed taking several of my zep buddies with me. Major disappointment. The music was great, the concert footage was great, but those fantasy sequences????? What????? They dragged on and on. Im not into, and never have been into, that 'woo-woo" stuff (for lack of a better word). Recently watched the movie again to see if I have changed. Nope... But I still crank the album!
  3. Going way back to plants remark about where John Paul Jones was, when plant replied "He's out parking the car". What was the catalyst for that? Why did he have such animosity towards JPJ? Was there a long simmering fued between them? I mean, plant isn't exactly an idiot...he had to know it would get back to JPJ. I dont recall any friction between them during their heyday. Any ideas?
  4. "Do I owe the first person that employed me"? Yes, a little. I am always grateful. But what you didnt ask...."When I was near the end of my dream and ready to give up then someone noticed me and as a result turned me into a multimillionaire and one of the most famous rockers in history and allowed me to realize my dream, would I feel like I owed THAT person? Especially when after all is said and done that person (Jimmy) seemed to be lost in the post Zeppelin breakup". Yeah, I like to think I would encourage him and when I (plant) held the key to maybe a freaking reunion or cutting a few songs or even just finishing unfinished songs (like LALA or 10 Ribs and All) with the result is that it helps out my buddy. I mean come on, its going on 40 freaking years. Thank goodness for 02. Did that kill him? Even ABBA is getting back together for a few songs. He (plant) is just SO AFRAID of being typecast into the Led Zeppelin thing that he just shuts it out. I've got news for him....he could find the cure for cancer, Alzheimers, AIDS, and male baldness, yet he would STILL be firstly known and introduced as "the singer for Led Zeppelin". He needs to come to grips with it. This space shifters nonsense and raising sand and other junk is just noise. 100 years from now no one will ever hear of that, but Zep is timeless. One day it will be too late, if not too late already, he may wind up regretting his distancing from LZ. I do believe Jimmy, JPJ, and Bonham would have been a supergroup with any of several others singers. Plant fit in perfectly of course and the 4 formed the greatest group, but I do believe even with another vocalist we would still be talking on this forum.
  5. Um......, his talent HAD gone unnoticed until Jimmy got a hold of him. In at least one of the many books and articles Ive read about Zep over the years plant was talking about being on a road construction crew and wondering if her should give up on his singing career since he just couldn't seem to make it. Fortunately he didnt, but the FACT is we had a struggling singer that due to Jimmy Page got the lead role in the greatest group in rock and roll. Its called gratitude, if someone helped me achieve my goal in life I certainly would keep it in mind.
  6. Exactly! In fact, wasn't plant thinking about throwing in the towel before Jimmy contacted him? That is why when others say that plant owes us nothing (regarding a reunion) I say perhaps not us , but he CERTAINLY owes Jimmy a thing or two. In my mind (its sometimes a strange place😎) plant would have been nothing without Jimmy.
  7. Sure wish Tea for One was included.....absolutely LOVE IT. And....so GLAD that AML and FITR were not included, hits or not, it is not what I think about when I think of LZ music.
  8. Different strokes for different folks. My top 10 zep songs (which is kind of fluid and in no order) has Achilles, Nobodys fault, Tea for One, and For your life, all of these are on Presence. But we are both into Zep enough to join this forum! I think thats cool. I despise the last few minutes of Carouselambra but the first several minutes are pretty good. And to the OP, Presence is my all time favorite Zep album.
  9. You guys are right about my statement as I mistyped it! I left out EARLY in my statement. I think zeps EARLY 1970s gig and especiially the 1960s gigs were not quite there. To me the best live gigs were from maybe 1973 on. And I dodnt think o2 gets stale at all.
  10. Of course Bonzo was an integral part of the band. But if anybody thinks Jason could not fill in....listen to the O2 concert. Now tell me again how Jason could not fill in. That concert to me is better than most of zeps live stuff from the 70s and especially the 60s.
  11. Thanks for the replies. No bubble here to burst. I assumed they are models, but where are they today? The kids in particular should be middle aged now. Are they around? Do they go around bragging to their buddies about being on an album that sold millions? Lard, interesting story. Anybody hear anything about he lady or the girl?
  12. They should have taken it up again once Jason was able to keep up, like others have posted. Especially to allow Page to do a follow up album after the horrendous ITTOD. Page stated he and Bonzo planned a more riff driven album for the follow up, I so wonder how great that would have been. What a loss.
  13. I was always interested in the cover art of Presence, especially wondering who the various people are. I understand they are stock photos with the 'object' cut into it. But does anybody know WHO the people are in the photos. I would think it would be so cool to be able to go around and say "Hey, check it out...thats me!" when showing people the album. On another thread someone did amazing detective work on the art for Zep IV, and I read about the 2 children identified on Houses of the Holy, has anyone looked into Presence?
  14. Its amazing that 2 of my all time favorites are on this list! Hots On for Nowhere and Poor Tom. And Royal Orleans isnt on it!!!!!
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