tom kid
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Spolier alert: He didn't.
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^ I will have to listen to that version again, but if you are indeed correct abouyt the 28th that's interesting as that concert on a whole is pretty sluggish, though I think the SBD tape runs a tad slow which adds to it!
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On 9/23/2022 at 9:44 AM, Blaize86 said:
I hate any 1977 NQ. Too long . Period. Plus I thought Pagey and his tone was off key at times. The boogie woogie stuff , to me, was added because that’s what Jimmy could play well at the time. It’s not hard. However, fine tone and picking while adding bent note crescendos and so forth takes concentration and alertness….which he wasn’t in 1977. Jones was completely self indulgent and bored half the audience. Jeez I can only imagine what Planty was thinking sitting on the sidelines watching this. Jimmy was not fluent and his fingers were all jumbled in his picking.
1975 versions were the best ..Montreal stellar. Jimmy’s tone, phrasing and buildup was so emotional. LA has a great version too with some fine wah wah stuff that has Page sounding like Peter Frampton in some parts. Jones buildup is short and sweet.It was mid career for the lads. Jimmy’s hair was super long and the Les Paul was getting lower and lower ..haha..and there are many nights where the holding back, pauses and tension make the whole solo.
Come on now... You're being very harsh on '77 for it's length and self indulgence while a few lines down praising '75! There is a version from '75 that clocks in at 35 mins, which I love by the way. If you were to average the length of the '77 and '75 versions I'd say that they would be very similar in length. Page had some very sloppy nights in '75 also.
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If there are indeed any future live releases, I hope Bob Clearmountain does the mixes. He has done a fantastic job on the Stones releases. The Sam Wheat ones... Well, lets not get into those. Absolutely terrible!
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^You beat me to it!
There was also definitely a show when her referred to him as 'John Heineken Bonham', could have even been the same one!
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^ Agreed Steve. Same happened to me! 🤣
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These clips made me fall in love with '77n all over again, thanks boys!
It's a crying shame that the band or management didn't have the foresight to film/professionally record any shows from '77. What a spectacle they were!
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How cool to see some artists from NZ too!
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For the life of me I'll never understand why they didn't restart Achilles.
Perhaps you're onto something and they just wanted to get the hell out of there so plowed on with it.
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I'll only believe that this will come to fruition once I'm seeing it with my own eyes.
Sadly, I've learned to have 0 expectations from any supposed official Zeppelin related releases.
I seriously would not be surprised if it fades into the ether along with Jimmy's solo album, his desire to be seen playing live, the supposed releases for the 50th that never happened etc.
All that said, I hope to god I'm proved wrong!
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Rock n Roll just sounded so damn tired in '75. I always skip it when listening to a '75 show.
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7 hours ago, PeaceFrogYum said:
RnR should have been dropped after the 73' tour for a different opening number. Thinking Custard Pie or Wanton Song for 75' but then re-shuffle the set list and either remove SA completely or place it deeper in the set. Put either Celebration Day or OTHAFA for song #2 in 75'.
Pro Tip: Don't start a major tour with your guitarist hamstringed with a broken ring finger.
Pro Tip #2: When your singer loses his voice due to the flu, postpone the tour, or, see pro tip #1.
I find it very, very hard to believe their tour contract from 75' or any year would not have contained a caveat should a band member be injured or sick and the tour need to be postponed. Plus, why start a tour before your new album is released? Some of these management decisions make no sense to me.
Yes I have often wondered this re the tour myself.
Same with the lack of professional recordings/filming the band had done of their concerts. PG was a great manager, and without him, maybe we're not on this forum dissecting and discussing a band that has ceased to exist since 1980. One cannot deny the questionable decisions regarding your points made above though.
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I don't have much time but I'll give my concise thoughts.
They opened with rock and roll for way too long, it was tired by '75, and often a painful listen due to Rob croaking his way through the song.
TSRTS was a perfect opener and the segue into The Rover/Sick Again was a serious 1-2 punch. Sometimes I do wish though that the band had played the full version of The Rover. But man, just listen to any half decent aud of an above average '77 show, the opening salvo of TSRTS and Sick Again had the atmosphere at a fever pitch.
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You've got to have some real blinkers on to try and defend Jimmy's playing during those concerts.
Still, the point was that it massive that he was playing on stage again, let alone playing guitar. Its a miracle he was able to play at all in that condition.
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No Quarter - MSG 11/677
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14 hours ago, Nutrocker said:
Yep...sadly.
I admit I have little interest in solo Garcia but I do want track down a show or two from when he had Nicky Hopkins playing keys with him (1975, I think it was) just because I love Nicky's playing on anything, with anybody (even his cheesy sounding organ work on "Cherry Oh Baby" by the Stones😁)
Anyway, sorry for the diversion, gang- we should probably take the Dead talk to the Dead thread, back to yer scheduled "No Quartah" discussion...
Just one last thing on Garcia/the Dead. I noticed you mentioned you were wanting to track down some stuff with Nicky playing with the band. Check out this release
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_It_Rock:_The_Jerry_Garcia_Collection,_Vol._2
It's really good... Might change your opinion of the JGB.
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^ Have you listened to the version from the San Diego '75 show (the 'Conspiracy Theory' boot)? That must be one of the longest too, about 32 mins.
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I'll also give an honourable mention to 27/6/77, which I just finished listening to. One of the longer versions ever played, features a nice piano solo by Jones and Jimmy's solo is quite fluid and pleasing too. The little jam right before the end of his solo section is nice, I wish it went on a bit longer than a few bars.
It's been a treat over the past couple of weeks revisiting a lot of these shows and Zeppelin in general. I haven't really listened to them in years since I burned myself out on the band in my late teens/early 20s when I almost exclusively to Zep. Now at the age of 30 it's been great revisiting and remembering just why they have been my favourite band for over a decade.
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5 hours ago, Bonzo_fan said:
A great version indeed. That whole show is Top 10 for '75 to me. Bonham is killing it and it has a fun, fresh vibe. As for the introduction of the grand piano, that would be the show before Ft. Worth in Baton Rouge (although my guess is it was really Houston and we just don't know since there's no recording of course).
Ah yes Baton Rouge, of course! Another great show.
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20 minutes ago, Nutrocker said:
Yep...sadly.
I admit I have little interest in solo Garcia but I do want track down a show or two from when he had Nicky Hopkins playing keys with him (1975, I think it was) just because I love Nicky's playing on anything, with anybody (even his cheesy sounding organ work on "Cherry Oh Baby" by the Stones😁)
Anyway, sorry for the diversion, gang- we should probably take the Dead talk to the Dead thread, back to yer scheduled "No Quartah" discussion...
Oh man I love a lot of the JGB stuff. He did a lot of great covers and that band was darn tight. 'Dear Prudence' was always particularly good.
I digress...
On the topic of NQ, I was listening to the version from 3/3/75, which I haven't heard for a long time, and hadn't maybe listened to more than once or twice, and by George, it's a great version. Features longer than usual interplay between Bonham and Jones, really groovy stuff! If I'm not mistaken, this was the first show Jonesy used the piano as opposed to the electric piano for the middle section I think. Anyway, I encourage all of my fellow NQ fanatics to revisit this version, it really is quite stellar.
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2 hours ago, Nutrocker said:
If memory serves John Kahn had an opiate jones of his own and he ended up paying the ultimate price for it. OD'd in the mid 90's, I believe.
Yep he was as hooked as Jerry was. They were both touring for that same purpose.
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6 minutes ago, Nutrocker said:
I was listening to the Allman Brothers Cow Palace New Years Eve '73 show a couple weeks back- the show where Garcia and Kruetzmann sat in for the second half, everything in sight was dosed, Gregg Allman packs it in halfway through as does Jaimoe, which is why Billy sits in drums. The performance is...out there, to say the least😆 Epic "Mountain Jam". We talk about some of these Zeppelin shows where Page is so out of it he's drooling down the front of his White Dragon suit, Zep certainly weren't the only ones to go out and perform in front of 20000 people completely off their fuckin' heads. Some nights it worked, some nights it didn't.
Jerry was definitely the king of playing high. Even during the late 70s/early 80s Dead and JGB shows when he was looking his most ragged and near rock bottom his playing was still pretty consistently good. Sure he had some off years, particularly toward the end but man it was amazing he played as consistently as he did while being strung out on all manner of substances.
I've read that the main reason him and John Kahn relentlessly toured when the Dead weren't on the road was to make money to score H as Jerry blew through so much money on drugs. Crazy stuff.
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^ As much as I love the Dead, they were notorious for dosing other people and acts apparently. Deadheads really romanticise the amount of LSD that surrounded the band, especially in the early days, but some of what they were doing with it wasn't cool imo.
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10 hours ago, ZepHead315 said:
I thought Artie's source for 6/10 was considered the main source (ie. Source 1)? He's certainly far less chatty on that than is typical. Worst offender for him is probably 9/3/71 which is a great show, but Artie and his gang's near constant blabbering practically ruins it.
Now the third source for 6/10 on the other hand...now THOSE are some chatty motherfuckers! One of the guys almost sets himself on fire during NQ.
I find myself enjoying the chatter on that tape, really gives you a snapshot into that exact night and adds to the atmosphere. It's a piece of history, although one does have to be in the right mood to listen to it.
I can't remember if it's the same show or tapers (I'm sure Nutrocker can help me out on this one) but during NQ on one of the NY '77 shows you can hear the tapers giving a girl a hit off her first joint, which always makes me laugh. Imagine that, your first time high being at a '77 LZ show!
1977.07.17 Remastered Soundtrack
in Led Zeppelin Live
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Sounds great. That particular version of NQ is embedded in my brain, down to every bum note in that glorious, ramshackle solo of Jimmy's.