Damn, those songs are played near flawless by everyone. The only minor issue is Plant's voice cracking a few times here and there but otherwise the band is playing very well. Jimmy is playing at or above 73' level and his solos in SA, NFBM, & OTHAFA are breathtaking. The SA & NFBM solos are the best I have heard Page play those particular solos, the OTHAFA solo is almost as good as the 6-22 LA show and he does some pretty unique runs which are a true highlight, and TSRTS is played just as well, almost exactly, as done on TSRTS soundtrack. Jimmy was definitely clear and focused at the beginning of the show. Bonzo was not overplaying as he did on some night's such as 6-21 but instead played with power and finesse. I would take this version of TSRTS over 6-21 any day plus twice on Sunday. We also finally get to hear what the Alembic sounded like and was capable of. No longer does it sound twangy and flat but is rich, powerful, and fills out the sound much better than the Jazz Bass on SA & NFBM. However I do prefer the Jazz Bass for TSRTS & OTHAFA. Apart from this I have also heard STH from this show which is also a brilliant version. Unless the other tunes I have not heard are turkeys I do not understand the shit this show gets. IMO from what I have heard it is an excellent show, not a good show but an excellent show. Not just 77' excellent but the whole of Zep's career excellent. Please let me know if the rest of the show was just as strong.

Kinda difficult for one guitarist to play six guitar parts, some in different tunings, simultaneously. IMO to sound right they needed a co-lead situation / multi-instrumentalist to support both Page & Jones. Of course the Goldilocks situation would have had old Robert learn to at least play a decent rhythm guitar to fill out the sound as well. A perfect example of a relatively simple song which just never sounded right live was Sick Again. s soon as Jimmy goes into the solo the song sounds thin as hell without the rhythm guitar. I agree with that stupid three necked guitar, plus it sounded like shit compared to the 12 string Ovation he used on the first leg of the tour. It would be one thing if he used two necks for one song but all the video I have seen where Jones uses the three necked monster, he only plays one neck during a single song. I mean how hard is it to put a guitar down and pick up another between songs? It really made a difference hearing those Zep tunes with Porl (now Pearl) Thompson playing rhythm / co-lead, especially TSRTS. Big difference. Same with the Crowes. I believe we may be on the same "page" with this one

Yep, my three biggest critiques are as follows: Should have given Grant an ultimatum in 74' - Swan Song is yours to manage, don't do drugs (yes hypocritical but still an employee), we will get a new, capable road manager going forward. Should have added a second guitarist for live shows in 75' due to the overly demanding nature of post Zep IV tunes live. Demand all band members manage their "vices and be professional while on-stage." Should have gone on a several year hiatus beginning in 80' and not even have done the European tour. If Steely Dan can release albums and not tour, why not Zep? I know...never woulda happened.

I am sure he does still play, unfortunately it is only around the house and most likely acoustic only due to his worry about causing damage to his house. Sadly, I believe Jimmy is retired as a player in public. He just wants to cement the Zeppelin legacy at this point and that is truly a shame. Oh well. IMO Jimmy should get a silly wig, some Renaissance clothes, and join Ritchie Blackmore. It could be called Blackmore's Page 🙂

Or at least not without additional musicians right. WLL live I always loved and thought it just as good as the studio but different. My fav version is still Berlin 1980 as it is really unique. Achilles is a different animal altogether. I like many of the live versions and it is amazing they were able to pull it off to the degree they did knowing Jimmy used 6 different guitar parts in the studio. IMO Zep should have added a second guitarist in 75' as the studio stuff from HOTH on was usually too demanding for just three musicians and a singer to pull off live.

This we will agree to disagree as I know several jazz drummers who think Bonham a very good drummer who indeed had swing. I am not a drummer (guitar payer for 35 years) and as such I seek out the opinions of actual drummers. As most of my musical peers are jazz players they are a wealth of knowledge.

You really cannot make anyone understand if you cannot present a valid, knowledgeable argument. I respect your opinion though, just hoping for a greater technical reasoning for your position along the lines the guy in the video gave for his. Though I do have semi-controversial comment: Regarding the high business acumen both Page & Grant had, the fact that both succumbed to addiction which ultimately destroyed the band was beyond irresponsible. Sure, it was the 70's but when management goes off the rails, holy shit! 1974 and the apathetic attitude toward Swan Song was the first sign the band needed to either give Peter an ultimatum or find new management. Most are not aware but both Queen and Elvis were considered for Swan Song however both declined due to lack of follow-up by Grant. Queen in particular was very, very keen to join the label but after so many unreturned calls they moved on. SS was in the right place at the right time to either start the careers of some of music's brightest talent or take them to the next level but no, the only other act they had which really went anywhere was Bad Company. Talk about a missed opportunity. Grant's main focus from 74' on should have been Swan Song, not Zep as they had solidly made it by then. Just imagine Zep with sober, strong management from 75' on. So there is my controversial opinion, Grant was the best thing for Zeppelin from 68' - 73' and then the absolute worse thing for Zeppelin after 74'.

Please explain your statement and give detailed reasons and examples why you believe my statement was false. Here is a nice little video to substantiate my position made by an actual drummer. Enjoy:

Pretty much anything regarding live playing is really just armchair quarterbacking and has little merit. Page's playing declined because of booze & heroin, both of which explain the how and why he could suck on one song and be brilliant on the next. Booze will completely ruin any manual dexterity if you are wasted. Heroin, being an opiate comes in waves. Case in point, his screw ups in 75' were booze related, that is why he was so damn good before the drum solo and would devolve to shit after. Heroin explains 77'- 83' to a T. If he had good smack and did not take too much he played excellent. If he had sub-par smack or took too much he would be great during one song, then the next he could suck because of a heroin rush, and then back to brilliance. As for setlist, poor choices (MD & guitar solo back to back) that's easy to explain. It was 77', Plant was coked up, Page was on smack as was Bonham, and being the height of rock stardom and hedonism they all wanted some action during the show. Of course they made bad choices, so did Clapton, Bolin, Jaco, Bird, etc... the list goes on. All of them the best of the best and all of them total shit when high. I get a little tired of the critiquing of Zeppelin when other bands who did the same thing seem to get a pass. At least Zep never made racist remarks to an audience unlike Clapton and Slick. Rant over

This is an absurd statement, sorry, but true. GTBT, Royal Orleans, Hot's of for Nowhere, and FITR are just four examples of subtlety, technique, and his playing with time signatures which are up there with the best of jazz & rock drummers.

The origin of tipping in the US was as an insult and had to do with post-slavery restoration. https://www.marketplace.org/2016/04/22/world/ugly-history-tipping-america

It's obvious you and I do not see eye to eye on this issue and there is nothing wrong with that, however, you don't need to be rude. Not everyone is going to agree with your opinion, or even my opinion, no need to get nasty. The name is Peace...Mr. Frog if yo nasty That being said I still love your insight on the Nitpicking Page thread, you make some interesting observations. Keep up the good work.

By that logic if your employer sees a post on your Facebook which is negative against say Trump or Pelosi, and he / she happens to take offense and fire you, to damn bad? Give me a break!

BULLSHIT GODDAMNIT!!! Jimmy should be playing well into his 80's just as Anton Segovia did...NO EXCUSES!!! Jimmy is our dancing monkey and when the fans say play he goddamned better PLAY!!! In his black dragon suit, with an aged, haggard Lori Maddox on his arm and one of those hats that hold beer bottles, but instead with two bottles of Jack on tap.

Don't get me wrong, I agree, to a point, with what you say. What I do not agree with is the extent and degree of power you give employers over their employee. You see, by your own stated definition, it is up to the employer to determine what is detrimental to their business which is quite nebulous. The litmus test for me is when someone does something off of company time which directly brings negative attention to your employer. In such a case I agree, the employer has the right to terminate. However, if the person is say, as you mentioned, hosting a web based sex cam for some extra cash on the side but there is no media or social media exposure which either links or names the employer, or, neither of those outlets report such activity to the general public then it is none of your employers business. As Steve pointed out doing such would be a violation of the law in several states and possibly a violation of federal law depending on circumstance. As a business owner my Pepsi test is quite simple: as long as my employee does not deposit a metaphorical steaming pile of crap at my doorstep, what he / she does while not working is none of my business.

Is it just me or does the piano melody on 10 Ribs sound very similar to piano intro to Hello, Goodbye by Phil Collins???

Sorry, I could not disagree more as I did not know slavery was still a thing. Your employer does not own you and as long as you do not bring attention to your place of business in a negative manner, it is not their business. Also, I noticed how you completely ignored the validity of employers running credit checks to ensure the employee they select is also financially on the hook as well. You believe that should be allowed? Again, I know two HR directors and the companies they work for will not hire any employee who is debt free unless that person brings something to the table which no other person can. After all, heaven forbid a human being be able to tell their boss and company, no thank you, that is not in my job description, and walk.

Give Jimmy another few months and he will be schilling complete gear sets and clothes he used on specific tours or shows: "Get yer official, authentic Page Dragon Tele, Sundragon Amp, Vox Wah, and delay pedal for the low, low price of $25,000. If you are the first 100 to order Jimmy will throw in a re-creation of the clothes he wore on the famous Supershow broadcast from early 1969 and a bottle of Merlot." Knowing Jimmy, for the 1972 American Tour re-creation, he might also throw in a Lori Maddox look alike if the price is right 🙂

Any opinions here on ST: Discovery? I have heard nothing but hate regarding this series so on a lark I binged watched the whole first season during a CBS All Access free weekend and liked it quite a bit. In fact, what I have seen thus far makes the show, IMO, superior to all the ST series with the exception of TOS. I believe the stories and writing are much better, more adult driven (kill Wesley, Nog, and Neelix), and just better in general. However what I really like are the Klingons and how they are portrayed. In the other ST shows they are simply violent buffoons, complete idiots who could never have built a small town much less an empire. In Discovery they have nuance, they have structure like every other race and not everyone is a psycho warrior. They even give a rational reason for why the Klingons are dicks not unlike our own human history (they are simply trying to unite their society and need a scapegoat as a focus to such an end). So, what ya all think???

That's it for six people? I have a VRBO (vacation rental) and had a guest of one mother and two children of 8 & 11 years respectively who killed off five, gallon jugs of vodka, another five of rum, two gin, and one Tequila plus, about 60 bottles of beer and one bottle of cheap wine as a bonus. Either that mother and children have serious drinking issues or there is more to this than initially reported 🙂

The problem is much greater than that in regard to potential employers viewing your page. I know a couple of HR directors and they do indeed check the FB pages of potential employees, however, they also take into account what your friends and family say and post and look at their pages as well. So, you are being judged not simply by your actions and posting, but on those you have absolutely no control over. Plus, don't even think about posting anything political, both of my HR friends are directed by corporate to not even consider an applicant who is a democrat (for one company) or republican (for the other). Sorry, but that is a line too far. The only thing an employer should take into consideration are how well you can perform your duties, if you have criminal or bad prior history, or any other employment history. We now live in an age whereby HR not only checks FB, but is also pulling your credit. If your report shows you have too little debt and good credit, you will not be considered except as a last resort. Same with an applicant who has too much debt. They want the "goldilocks candidate," a person who has enough debt that they will be tied to the company and subject to their whims, but neither too much for fear of employee stupidity, nor too little for fear of an unencumbered employee who is not forced to take shit in order to pay the bills.

I am a tad confused why a friend would mention something such as this on FB or anywhere else. Seems very jr high'ish and downright inappropriate if you ask me. It's one thing to post a picture of friends enjoying a wee tipple with the comment, "had fun with the crew last night..." compared to an exclusive picture of two people and saying, "look at these two drunkie bastards...drank everything which was not nailed down..." Talk about poor form

This guy is asking $16,000 and he can't even spring for shipping? Talk about one tight bastard.

The Orville and Last Temptation of Christ. What an excellent movie, this is my seventh time watching it since it was released back in 89'.

Screw Facebook, it has become some amorphous, all seeing, all knowing entity making the Big Brother of 1984 look tame by comparison (insofar as information gathering and use). When a platform can affect the outcome of elections to the degree Facebook can, in a manner which THEY can control, that there is some seriously scary shit.