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4 hours ago, kipper said:
I also from that generation.
To be honest there is basically no good music today--- not really. 10s, 00s, and 90s were pretty bleak actually.
Back in the 60s and 70s the difference was there was a lot of bands/musicians who were forced to pay their dues. If you weren't good you washed out--- nobody would listen to your shit--- much less buy it or pay to see you live. Today that has changed, and younger people today will gladly consume CRAP that is fed to them like it is Kraft macaroni and cheese.
Back and my day all genres were better. From County/Western, to soul, R&B, rock, pop--- all of it was better. Bands had to pay their dues and they did or they faded away.
I think a great example of this is the Beatles story. Yes, they were all naturally talented and had a deep well of inspiration inside them from birth. But by their own admission they didn't turn the corner until they went to Hamburg and actually had to play (gig) 7 days per week many hours a day. They became TIGHT as a band, and from there it opened up many more opportunities. Today some CRAP can go out and find an audience and actually get a pay check--- all because kids have no ear or taste for what is good.
I agree with you. I was born in the middle of the 70’s, there are some pretty good bands that came out of the Generation that I grew up with. As far as the 80’s and 90’s at least some of those bands were coming up the way their predecessors did. Today it is totally crap for the most part.As is the early 2000’s
While I did get to see some/ a lot of the musicians from your generation, to have been there when it was happening is something that can’t be matched. The closest I or my generation can come to it, is by listening to boots or live releases. But the consumption of crap that today’s youth is absorbing is pretty bad. It’s a lot of studio, computer generated, manufactured junk. I have an 11 year old that I’m trying to steer away from the shite listed above. But yes if you were not good in your generation, it was quickly found out and that was the end of it.
When you think of the talent that was coming out of the 60’s from England alone it is astonishing. If you start thinking of all the groups, and musicians to come out during that time and era it is hard to wrap your brain around. But I think the point you made about musicians/artists really working at what they did is an excellent point. I also think the work ethic of your generation and your parents generation has to have something to do with it. That’s simplified of course. There were many contributing factors to why and what made your generations music and musicians as insanely talented as they are and were.
Having said that I’ll have to listen to my daughter sing her little heart out to some crap soon and love every minute of it. Then politely encourage her to try and sing some Janis, or at the least listen to it for her old man.
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On 4/14/2020 at 10:59 PM, SteveAJones said:
Music Now (November 28, 1970)
...seeking any further details, photos, etc...
Hello Mr. SAJ. So I have gone deep on this topic. I have found some information that I will paste below. I hope some of it helps. The one thing that I am not sure about is Zior being named Zior in 1970. I think they may have been named Monument at that time. Here is some information that hopefully helps in your search or anyone else interested. https://www.afka.net/Mags/Music_Now.htm
Music Now
British lesser known (in compare to Melody Maker, NME, Sounds) music weekly from the 70s. It started as Top Pops in May 1967. From issue #89 (September 1969) the paper started calling itself Top Pops - Music Now with emphasis on the latter. In March 1970 the paper underwent a full change to being titled Music Now. May 1971 was the final appearance of the paper. (Dave McAleer)https://thefirstmonument.webs.com/
In the website above there is a email address that may be able to help in confirming that post about Robert playing guitar with Zior.It may be an incorrect date? On this Easter egg hunt I came across the forum “ Fire That Grew So Low” where someone quoted a post that you gave on this Forum. I will say that it was a Forum of a lot of crotch shots of Robert Anthony Plant. They did have a cool audio source of Robert, Jonesy, and Bonham playing Ray Charles Georgia. Anyway hope that this helps and I will continue my search as well. -
1 hour ago, SteveAJones said:
Jimmy's stated desire was to release something we hadn't heard before, and I personally believe some sort of How The East Was Won release was seriously considered. However, the Osaka soundboard was leaked and I can see where that alone may have dulled his enthusiasm for doing anything further with those multi-track recordings. Aside from all of that, Jimmy under self management seldom yields anything of consequence.
Mr. SAJ and Wolfman, I apologize if this should not be asked on this thread. With respect to Jimmy’s live albums that he has talked about over the years. Do you guys know if he recorded pretty much all of their live shows? I guess what I am asking is, he talked about the chronological album through the years. Is it a good guess that he has a ton of, if not all of their shows in storage or somewhere and it is a matter of cleaning them up for release? Again sorry if this is not on topic.
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Myself and my little nephew.
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That’s awesome Strider. Thank you for this post. Very cool.
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I have this signed copy that my wife purchased for me back in 1999. I had it in an area that was under a skylight and Jimmy’s autograph faded slightly. Here is the thing, she paid a bunch of money and it came with an authenticity letter. But other than the amount spent and that letter I have, I have wondered if it could have been forged? Maybe SAJ or someone else could help to verify that.
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43 minutes ago, Strider said:
I consider "prime Who" to be late-60s to 1971. I saw them twice with Keith Moon...once in 1973 and again in 1976. The Quadrophenia concert was a shambles and I was disappointed. 1976 was a little better as far as setlist and performance. But the fact it was an outdoor stadium show, which I loathe, and the crowd were a bunch of drunken fighting hooligans (even more than your typical rock crowd) left a bad taste in my mouth.
I saw them in 1979 and 1982 but without Moon, the bloom was off the Who for me.
I saw one the Who one last time...it was at one of their many "farewell" tours. 1989 I think...at the L.A. Coliseum. After that, I was through with the Who.
None of the shows I witnessed measured up to the greatness of "Live at Leeds" or any of the 1967-71 bootlegs...or 1974 Charlton Football Club.
I still love some of their records but whereas Led Zeppelin took me on an amazing journey in concert, the Who did not.
Thanks for the response. I envy your generation. What an exciting time. It’s amazing to listen to the bootlegs and feel the excitement in the air. Not that there isn’t good music today or certainly in the 1980’s and 1990’s . There were actually some really good bands to come out of those decades. But that was such a time of exploration in the 1960’s and 70’s. Zeppelin captivated me at an early age and it hasn’t changed in the 30 plus years. Amazing group of musicians, and performers.
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19 hours ago, Strider said:
Oh come on. I'm not a big fan of "The Who" but even I can recognize that that Rock n Roll Circus performance of "A Quick One" is pretty slamming. A much better song than "Hot Dog"...and I like "Hot Dog".
Alright that was maybe a bad example. But honestly studio HotDog I love. This is probably for another thread, but did you get to see The Who is the prime, or close to it?
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On 8/4/2009 at 10:50 PM, lzzoso said:
Can you remember when or where you first "discovered" any kind of "live" Led Zeppelin recordings? I became a die-hard LZ fan when I was 13 years old and living in St. Louis, Missouri. Back around then I used to go to record conventions or record shows with the guy that actually turned me on to Led Zeppelin (he was around 16). It was there that I first found and first bought my first LZ bootleg album. To be completely honest I actually cannot remember what that record was. Maybe "Persistence" from San Francisco 1973. Nonetheless, since that first bootleg, I have amassed at least 150+ bootlegs of the "Mighty Led Zeppelin" over the past 25 years. This include albums, tapes, cd's, videos, and dvd's.
After St. Louis, my family moved to Hillsborough, New Jersey (about an hour outside of New York City). I was 17 then. Some of my fondest memories are of me going to NYC by myself or with some friends, drinking beer, smoking joints and walking around Greenwich Village. The Village has some of the best record stores I have ever been to. During most of those "trips" I would always come home with at least one or two new LZ bootleg cd. It was there that I also discovered the once popular ZOSO magazine.
Anyway, that is my little story of how I discovered the power of the live LED ZEPPELIN experience. To this day I am still seeking and searching for all that I can find. Remember, back then there was no Internet or Google or YouTube like there is today.
What are your great stories of how you discovered your own collection of LZ bootlegs?
My Dad turned me into Led Zeppelin , telling me about the shows that he and my mother went to at the Fillmore is 69. My first Boot was Plays Pure Blues . I would drive all over the Bay Area and sometimes as far South as San Louis Obispo . They had some really cool record shops . But the thrill and anticipation of driving and hunting for Zeppelin bootlegs was and is an amazing feeling . I spent a small fortune on them , but also buying an book and publication I could find . When I started to realize that by the end of the 1990’s you could get them for free I was bummed to say the least . When I saw bootlegs that I had searched for that had numbers like 235 of 1000 , and then it was just posted online for free . As the years went by I realized all the amazing shows that were being posted that I otherwise maybe would have never found . And the 100 plus CD’s and record boots that I have , still have the same meaning to me . Great topic as well .
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On 4/11/2020 at 7:32 AM, rm2551 said:
Ricky Gervais is 100% correct: Dogs are the best thing in the world. My doggo is testament to that! (I really need to post some pics)
Doggo’s , Presa Canerio’s , and Cane Corso’s are amazing breeds, and unbelievably loyal . I have an American Stafordshire , he is the epitome of Loyalty . I will say he isn’t as bright as some of the others that I’ve had . But it gives him character . If he were human he would ride the short bus while wearing a helmet for sure . But he is a gorgeous dog . Anyway Doggo’s are my favorite dog ever . They are stunning .
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On 4/17/2020 at 10:58 AM, kipper said:
God forbid a ROCK & ROLL band that actually writes their own music (Pete Townshend) should be above any thieving magpies.
12 11 and Hendrix . And wait a minute Sir . Are you on a Led Zeppelin Forum calling then Thieving Magpies ? But the way , the example song you gave of the “ Best Rock Roll Band “ was a little lackluster . That could have been any bar band in any city . Maybe Reign , or Who are you ? That’s like me calling Led Zeppelin the Best band of all time, which they most certainly are , not even a close second . And then using Hot Dog from any 1980 show as the example . Just not a great pick .
Anyone One Any Signed Led Zeppelin Items
in Led Zeppelin Master Forum
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That’s amazing Mr. SAJ! I’ll dig up the Authenticity and send that over to you. I would appreciate your thoughts on it for sure. Also slightly off topic. I have re-read your Mysteries Thread. Man it’s insanely impressive! Amazing job! I’ve always thought of myself as educated in the World Led Zeppelin. Your knowledge and insight is inspiring and outrageous! Seriously thank you for that thread.