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  1. Since I was the one who started this debate (debate=hurling insults and abuse by some members!!) I would like to finish it with this statement.

    My only intention from the beggining was for the 'live audience' sound of Led Zeppelin to be the best possible, and to bring to the attention of Led Zeppelin fans, and the band themselves, (if they want to listen) how poor the sound quality/mix actually was.

    Nothing would have pleased me more than to return from the gig happy. I would have been the first to tell everyone how great the band played (which they did) and what a fantastic sound that they had (which they didn't). I went to see Rush at Wembley Arena a few weeks ago and the sound was great, my ears are not at fault. Maybe many of you got caught up in the occasion (which I can understand) and were not really listening to the quality of the sound. It may not have mattered to you, but it did to me.

    I did find it odd, to say the least, that some members thought that I was trying to 'put down' Led Zep, when if fact I was trying to do the opposite, hopefully (if anyone listens!!) the sound problems that they had will never happen again.


  2. Eyes are 20/20 you dolt. Now we know how much credibility to give the rest of what you say. Ears go into hundreth of Decible. For instance I hear to the 500th Decible, very rare but it enables me to here bullshit from a mile away.

    Feedback is a nessassary part of your sound, it has to be controled but sometimes even a cell phone can fuck with it. But you can also work it into your sound as they seem to have done (as always) with the limited sound I've heard so far.

    You are the dolt, read a book on sound and hearing, you may learn something.

    The human ear is can hear from 20 to 20,000htz, (you can probably only do 200 to 10,000-go for a hearing test, try it) that's what I meant by 20-20, shit for brains, insult me and back at you, everytime.

    You obviously did not understand my point on sub-bass etc.

    Yeah I can swear to...fuck...makes me really cool

  3. I have heard that the 02 arena is constantly plagued with sound issues at any concert. It is the venue. I actually ws told this by an english friend before the event.

    Yes, the venue may have sound issues, but for me that is no excuse.

    I know what equipment is available today, spectrum anyalizers, feedback controllers etc.etc.etc.

    For my money, the sound production was unprofessional and extremely badly mixed.

    All they had to do was TURN DOWN/OFF THE SUB BASS.

    Like I said before, rock, especially Led Zep, does not sound good with massive sub bass, bands like metallica may well do, but they are heavy metal, and I thought Led Zep hated being classed as heavy metal!!

    If you put an exessive amount of sub bass in a mix, it's like throwing a fire blanket over everyones sound, IT DROWNS EVERYONE OUT, and sounds a unrecognisable mess.

    There were some songs that took me 10+ seconds to suss out what they were, and I know, and can play incidentely, every zep song, forwards, backwards and sidewards. !!!!

    Also the reason that some are saying that it sound good on utube or whatever don't realize that the little recorders/mobile phone that they use cannot record sub-bass at that level.

  4. There are some great and sensible fans on this site but by f8ck there are some assholes too. This was a Led Zeppelin concert. As David Gilmour once said 'whats a bit of feedback its rock n roll for f*cks sake'.

    I suppose now the dust has cleared the geeks will start nit picking...w*ankers. I was there, the band was fantastic, the sound was brilliant, I would change nothing.

    I can assure all those Zep fans not lucky enough to get tickets that the boys did not let you down they were better than ANYONE had the right to expect.

    Ted Nugent once said 'when you rock at that intensity, whats a little mistake here and there'


    guitarglenn, I couldn't agree with you more, when you say most people think you're an idiot just remember who those most people are !!!

    They are just like the drunken head bangers that were for the most part at the gig, the guys for instance that think they are drummers and wave their arms about to the music....you must have seen it the airhead guitarists and all that crap.

    How many of them could even tune a guitar let alone play it. Most of them think sub bass is something you knock your brains out with in a car driving through the town at night. They do not

    know what they are talking about ...where as you do!!!!

    Please pass my comments on to your blog by all means.


  5. I understand completely. You're just being honest about the house sound, which can make or break a show. I feel for you. Fans with good ears, sensitive to the nuances of sound and tone are often victims of this. BAD sound production into the house is the curse of most bands. The bands put their hearts into every note, but the fu**king deaf soundmen destroy it for the audience! Of course, the band has absolutely no idea what is going on in the house with sound, as it's a completely different world of sound onstage.

    I feel for you and the pain of many bands who've been victimized by DEAF SOUNDMEN AND ENGINEERS!!! I curse you deaf soundmen of the world! And, I hold in highest esteem the handful of good soundmen out there.


    This will be my final message on the subject, desipte any childish namecalling from some 'adult' members>We do things differently (and spell correctly incidentely) in England, that's why it's called speaking english !!

    I think it is amazing and fantastic that Harvey Goldsmith managed to help get this show together, and I hope that Zeppelin will do more, even another album !!

    But I know what that gig could and should have sounded like, and the band were not a fault, I will say it again THE BAND PLAYED GREAT, THAT WAS THE FRUSTRATING THING ABOUT IT, WITH A PROPERLY BALENCED MIX IT WOULD HAVE BEEN FANTASTIC, THANK YOU LED ZEPPELIN.

    I could have sorted THEIR SOUND out in 10 minutes, easy.

    There is nothing wrong with my ears or brain.

  6. I was there and 'sounds caressed my ears'

    Sounded fine to me.

    Maybe you should try and get out more and relax....try not to be too geeky about such issues

    Oh, so I am a geek now am I, funny really, how people respond when you criticise something they love. If Jimmy, or any other band member could have sood and listened at the sound desk, they would not have been impressed. That is my final word on the subject.

    How old are you people on here, 3 4 5 year olds?

    If you want to throw childish insults and verbal abuse around become an member of parliment.

  7. (the last 2 posts in this thread were my friend posting under my name, and although i agree with what he is saying, he went about it the wrong way, and came across in a very childish manor).

    Maybe it was different higher up in the rafters, maybe the sound didnt travel right, but from where i was standing it was allll good.

    What i dont understand is when you see an act such as zeppelin erform as well as they all did last night some peope have to find little things to moan about...

    was the electric atmosphere not enough for you?

    was the awesome performance not good enough for you?

    was the 90% of the time awesome sound not good enough?

    Why do you feel the need to find problems and try and bring zeppelin down?

    You idiots, such children, why cant you take a bit of constructive criticism, even then it is not aimed at the band (READ MY ORIGINAL POST). I am a lifelong Zeppelin fan, I am saying this because I care intently about LZep. If you think it was a great sound then good luck to you. MAYBE I AM THE ONLY ONE WITH THE BALLS TO SAY WHAT I TRUELY FEEL, AND THAT IS NOT DONE WITH ANY MALICE.

  8. The O2 is notorious for troublesome sound. Furthermore, it doesn't matter how many PAs you audition, 18,000 bodies change everything when you pack them into the room. Then you have to factor in the number of acts. No matter how well you soundcheck, when you get multiple groups playing, levels get adjusted on the fly, then when the main act comes up, so many dynamics have changed. Personally, I wasn't at the show, but I watched a few songs on YouTube and it sounded great for an arena IMO.

    I appeaciate the difficulties of sound engineering, but why do you need sub bass with a rock band, a Zeppelin mix needs great care and balence - PULL THE LEADS OUT OR TURN THE SUB BASS WAY DOWN OR EVEN OFF COMPELTELY. If they had have done that the sound would have been much better.

  9. When 'Dazed and Confused' started I could not distinguish one bass note to the next, (you should be able to hear a semitone by semitone fall in pitch):

    wtf? shut up. you need your hearing sorted, sounds like you got a big problem

    No problem with my ears pal, were you drunk!

    I will say whatever I want, I am not a yes man. I know what zeppelin can/should sound like, the last thing I want to do is say anything negative about my No.1 influencual band.

  10. The show was plagued by feedback problems throughout the night. Jimmy auditioned no

    less than six different sound systems for this event. Even so, there is always going to be the human element in any production. Some have said the GUITARS, not the bass,

    were too prominant throughout all the acts. In all these cases, either the engineers got it wrong or you need your ears checked.

    Nothing wrong with my ears, had them checked (20-20) last year.

    Again if the sound guys knew what they were doing there should not have been a problem with feedback, these guys have thousands/millions of pounds worth of equipment, I could get a better sound with a £85 Sony car mini disc system.

  11. I went to the show at the o2 last night (10th dec 2007).

    I was about 30/40 feet from the stage (standing).

    First of all, great to see Plant/Jones/Page as Zeppelin again, Jason B certainly gave the band a driving energy and new feel somehow. They all gave great perfomances, you could clearly see the exitement and feel the energy that each member projected, particulaly Page, he looked lean, on the ball and ready for action. Plant seemed a little aprehensive at first, but by the middle/end of the show he relaxed more and was clearly enjoying it. Jones was his classic self, intently listening and watching everything going on around him, holding it all together, locked in sync with Jason, who gave a solid, professional performance.

    WHAT HAPPENED TO THE SOUND THOUGH, it was appauling, sub bass-bass-more bass, and an extra touch of bass, was it the venue, does it always sound like that?

    Even if it is the sound of the venue, the sound tech guys/gals should have got it sorted. It ruined the experience for me, I have never heard anything like it, the worst sound at a gig ever, terrible.

    After 5 songs, I thought maybe it was where I was standing, so I moved to the back of the arena, slightly better, but still way too much bass, escpecially the sub bass. When 'Dazed and Confused' started I could not distinguish one bass note to the next, (you should be able to hear a semitone by semitone fall in pitch). Although I did recognise that the band had tuned down (to 'D' I think) it should not have genated that much extra bass.

    I am convinced that the band had a completely different sound on stage, because I would have not been able to play with a sound like that, it was torture!

    It did make me laugh though, standing near the sound desk, there were the sound 'techs' (how dare the call themselves that) with their headphones on, nodding their heads, ARE THEY DEAF ? (TAKE YOUR HEADPHONES OFF AND LISTEN TO SOUND OF THE ARENA).

    Where did they learn their trade? Do they listen to rock music, Have they heard of Led Zeppelin?

    That sort of mix would have been OK for a Rap event. I did try to stop and speak to one of the sound guys, but he nonchalontly kept going.

    I even tried to enulate the same sound in my car on the way home and could not get enough bass, with full bass boost on and all the bass settings on 10!

    By the way check out my web site: www.glennpovey.com for info on me, including samples of my guitar works.

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