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SamoKodela

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    Favorite Led Zeppelin Year

    1970. I think Robert's voice sounded the best that year, just better and not as extreme as 1971 and they started to experiment more which is basicaly the start of all their album experimentation and their shows got expanded and more varied and experimental too and they got their first own sound system which is important. And ofcourse Led Zeppelin III is from that year, which is my favourite album.
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    The Led Zeppelin III Story...

    You certainly do that just by listening to existing music in detail and aplying that, but you have to bring new things into music in all sorts of ways.
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    The Led Zeppelin III Story...

    Plant said exactly that in 1990 MTV rockumentary about Led Zeppelin III. He said people commented 'why kill a perfectly good career' and he said 'you make moves, musical twists and turns, to satisfy yourself, that's what has to come first'. So I guess it's both telling the listener what to listen to and satisfying yourself, while thinking enough what the listener wants too.
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    Hitchcocks Vertigo-Inspiration for Kashmir

    Just first two chords, I think.
  5. I've always defended Zeppelin, for most of their plagiarism being limited to first two albums and even there they added so much of their own, while latter on they had so many original compositions, but there was always that element that ofcourse doesn't make them plagiarist or just a band with a new sound or great producers, it's just that there were little bits and pieces of lyrics or music taken from others or that there was music that directly inspired them to write their own. It's always like that in music, so I'm not trying to make anyone feel disappointed, although I might be a bit every time I discover something like this, because I guess we are all more impressed if something is like totally out of the blue, but I guess it almost was to late for that in Zeppelin's time, centuries of great music have already been happening, although The Beatles have certainly been noted a lot less for being inspired by others in their vocal melodies. But overall Zeppelin's song were so original and when you add Plant's melodies and lyrics on top, it's all just great and he was rarely accused for taking others melodies or lyrics apart from the obvious ones, even if perhaps those melodies were sometimes not that catchy because it's not pop! Anyway here is a scene from Hitchcocks movie Vertigo and the music after 1:10 written by Bernard Herrmann might just have inspired parts of Kashmir:
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    Hitchcocks Vertigo-Inspiration for Kashmir

    Both posts are great, thanks. The first one is really well written, poetic essay and well the second one, yeah, I'm still waiting for an epic movie with a car driving down the desert with Kashmir in it or maybe Moses spreading the sea!
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    Best Jimmy Page Impersonator EVER! - Jimmy Sakurai

    Yeah he truly got it down to every move, not to mention tour! But with such an original guitarists and author as Page is sure there are going to be naysayers, even when someone is that good, plus I'm quite sure he can't be that good if he isn't sober and clean hehe, while Page still could be
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    Hitchcocks Vertigo-Inspiration for Kashmir

    The topic really wasn't meant to change anything, it's all been told and retold and discovered already and Zeppelin are a heck of an original band! Not much to add after Led Zeppelin II at all, but it's similar with Roberta Flack and song Gone away compared to main riff of The Rain song: sounds similar right in the intro but totally different note combination and also an additional note. You can check that very quickly on a keyboard. And in Vertigo you have a descending and also A BIT of an ascending melody, but only the descending one is quite similar with additional notes, and they you got several more riffs in Kashmir, the main one, the one over it, the one after the main theme, the symphonic part and the final riff, plus the lyrics and vocal melody. What an epic! Nothing mayor to report here, only that Bernard Hermann died in 1975, probably of pride and delight when he heard Kashmir and that little bit of it too huh heh!
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    Hitchcocks Vertigo-Inspiration for Kashmir

    Ok no problem, I'm just glad you took it nicely, I tried to write it as a fan in the kindest way possible. It reminds me me of both the main descending and the ascending riff that starts Kashmir. I wonder what others will say. Because understand that whatever they say, they will just say they find it more or less similar, nothing else, it can't be anything else.
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    The Led Zeppelin III Story...

    Yeah, it would add some 'balance' but it wouldn't change things that much and I think even with Hey, hey things wouldn't be that different and it's cool that Zeppelin spiced things up with things like Hats. I things they just always loved acoustic music and they tested the ground with III a litttle bit, but after they saw with both II and IV and even with I what people liked the most, they still released Houses and Presence and some exotic Graffiti stuff! Amazing!
  11. It's good for a cover, but no point in looking at who is better and at various pools. And modern music is based on The Beatles just as much as it is on Led Zeppelin, even if Led Zeppelin have got a heavier sound!
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    The Led Zeppelin III Story...

    And I love IV, but sometimes it's almost to powerfully and to loudly produced and I love the complexity of Black dog and Four sticks, but some of the others are almost too simple or atleast too straightfoward for me, while Immigrant song is not that heavy on three and quickly over and then I can listen to so many forms of intricate and at times complex music. I also like how studio Kashmir is not that heavy and the studio sound of Stairway drums. There are other examples of studio stuff like Tangerine, That's the way, Babe I'm gonna leave you, You shook me keyboard sound, IMTOD drum sound and so on. Hard to pinpoint it, it's like saying the 21.6. 1977 version of No Quarter is so fantastic and so unbelieveable in improvisation and over the top heavy at the same time, but the 23.6. has got the perfect sound. I know most would say IV has an absolutely fabulous sound to it, but so do both of these bootlegs, I'm just talking about the second one being more artistic, less heavy and more beautiful and tasty sounding.
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    The Led Zeppelin III Story...

    And yet their most famous song is Stairway to heaven, mostly acoustic song, with no real heavy core riff. And there were some good riffs on III. Immigrant song, Celebration day and Out on the tiles are all top heavy riff songs, the last two have fantastic choruses too, yet somehow they just didn't turn out to be such big hits. I think this all shows that being true to yourself is the best decision, even if you might decide on purpose to go for your older more successful style a bit more, when you see an album is not doing that well. Afterall Zep were very young and two of them were practically living on the street just two years earlier, you can't blame them for the heavy sound of IV, but they played their hearts out again on Houses and on IV their honesty gave us all Stairway to heaven. So yeah, I think fans do like the heavy riffs most, but they sure damn love Stairway, Going to California and Battle of evermore. So it's hard to explain, maybe it's more about the amount and type of both acoustic and electric songs on III, but it's a classic and everything proves it these days, even IV haha.
  14. You can add your own thoughts or probably thoughts of people that were telling you these things along the way. Anyway, it's not to prove Zeppelin are perfect and some things are just a matter of taste. It's just a discussion. 1. Plant's voice. It can be a bit annoying at times to some and it certainly declined, but what is a great voice without character and therefore not for absolutely everyone and Plant always found new ways to expres himself even with the change. 2. Technical skill. Yeah they are not shredders, heck they are not even Deep Purple in that regard and they declined, but they were damn good and most importantly very expresive, improvisational and varied. 3. They stole music. They stole little actually and added so much, both in substance and style. 4. They were overindulgent live musically. They could actually improvise really well live, if you like that kind of stuff, they could really compose their jams and follow each other and who cares if they let loose lenght wise, as long as they could write songs like Tangerine and Ten years gone. 5. They had repetitive song structures and approaches. They actually had all sorts of approaches to a degree and song styles and lots of overdubbs and instruments colours and sections and genres and each album had a new approach altogether while being Zeppelin. 6. Lifestyle It doesn't matter for the music and that's how the times were, but yeah, we could be more proud of them, if they would do less certain things, which could still mostly be described as fun, as long as the playing wouldn't decline, but there were great shows even at latter tours and the whole event saved the show sometimes. 7. Misogyny I don't think that a few songs, that describe a negative relationship with a particular woman, mean they were misogynistic. 8. They lacked melody They had a few very strong pop songs, they had their own style of vocal melody and many times the guitar was the hook! 9. They had no message There were a few songs that were quite an exception: Friends, That's the way, Stairway, The Rover, Sick again and there were a few exceptional love songs like Ten years gone, plus there is Plant's solo carrer, so shut up!
  15. Just before he had his first shot . Zeppelin gave it their own shot thought, making their own original music to it and quite a few original verses.
  16. Mostly limited to Zep I and II and even there mostly to little parts of songs. And things like Babe Im gonna leave you and Dazed have got so much added and Whole lotta love has got all the instrumental parts original, the same with Nobody's fault but mine. It's not even remotely as much stolen as some of the CD's and videos would like to imply, but some things should be credited. Things like little parts of lyrics in How many more times or Rock and roll intro or the mood and a few lines from Moby Grapes Never for SIBLY just don't count.
  17. Althought it's certainly a discussion about Zeppelin being great in all those points, rather than no one else being good at them too and better at some, although not for us fans.
  18. Yes Bonham was so inventive, varied and never really boring even in 1977, but when the other two jam along you can really see the difference to other bands!
  19. And which part of the forum is for overthinking then, sorry?!
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    Song Name Game

    White Sunday(Gloomy Sunday)-Vlado Kreslin
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    The Led Zeppelin III Story...

    That's exactly one of the things that makes Led Zeppelin Led Zeppelin! To end it with Hats!
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    Classical Music!

    Well music is music, even if some artist had such great processing brains they could write for a whole orchestra or very complex stuff, but it could be simple too and include a lot of folk music. But yeah, it refers to a certain musical period atleast sometimes. I like Mozart(some symphonies and sonatas and Rondo alla turca especially), Beethoven 5th and 9th symphony and some sonatas, especially Für Elise and Moonlight sonata, I also like Liszt, Haydn, Bach, Tchaikovsky, Verdi. I actually listen to this performance below a lot, I'm not particulary into technical perfection being a Zeppelin fan, so I like Horowitz perfoming it a lot too, he makes it more emotional, but Hamelin plays some of the things that seem beyond human, kind of like Plant in 1971.
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    The Led Zeppelin III Story...

    Perhaps it should still also be mentioned that Tangerine, That's the way and Bron-y-aur stomp are to quite a large degree pop and Zep always had some pop elements and a pop song here and there, but that only saves this album in terms of commerciality for general public, not for Zep I and II fans, as do Fool in the rain, Hot dog and most importantly All my love on ITTOD. Similar with some songs on Houses, but nothing saves Presence, that one is truly for us fans. What matters is they still managed to make these songs so artistic and creative and end the album with Hats instead of Hey, hey what can I do. So they always made amazing, creative and musical music, but it's cool that some little spice element that makes a weird album more accessible to general public, doesn't necessarily make it more accessible for a Zep fan at all, so it's still great experimentation.
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    The Led Zeppelin III Story...

    And then there is SIBLY which is such great blues, which just enough free floating blues singing and little guitar solos and two main solos and technical screams and drum and keyboard fills, but also great hooks and nice little chorus riffs. Amazing to be able to play blues so uncommercially and listenably at the same time. As someone alredy mentioned, Zep could just be so artistic and varied and still so listenable and successful! It's not like they didn't follow any rules or like it was totally experimental music, but they infused so much creativity and originality and great production into it! Amazing! The vision was just amazing and the way they managed to expand it all live! Just great!
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    The Led Zeppelin III Story...

    I absolutely love it, it's my favourite and there are quite many other fans that feel that way. But some of the directions they took with some albums, would definitely not make them that famous and successful. I'm not saying they wanted to be or that it matters, but without making II and IV what they are and Physical graffiti, they wouldn't be what they are today. But in retrospect and put in between those albums III is a masterpiece and I think it's great not even Immigrant song and Out on the tile sound that heavy and I could write for hours about emotions I have over the album and about various songs and sections, but I would just like to say, I love the long chorus melodies which are all over the album and are actually pretty rare in Zep's music and I always liked the rather freestyle form of it! It's also quite complex, although less then Houses of the holy and Presence, but it's more in sort of free style which I love, quite a few free style guitar strum patterns in many songs, songs that build into many different and new sections(Celebration day, Out on the Tiles, Gallows pole builds not just with many new instruments but into new weird sections, starts with weird chords too, Tangerine has many little sections, but no real riff and so on and so on, quite a few free style strumming: Friends intro and towards the end, Born-y-aur-stomp and ofcourse Hat's of to (Roy) Harper is very free style), complex overdubbing in Celebration day, complex bass patterns and end chords in different places in Immigrant song, not that many repetitive riffs, emotional an personal lyrics and well just more acoustic songs than usual, which I love all this makes it much more exciting and chaotic and free then the more repetitious style within songs of Led Zeppelin II and IV and even Graffiti and Presence.
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