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  1. Hey, woman from SoCal, I was in that friggin earthquake, too! First I heard of Pagey being there, poor guy. And to the guy who was asking if HOTG was so bad.....yes, yes it was (IMHO). I got the thing mainly to learn about their music and how they came up with it and rehearsed it and recorded it, but I got mostly crap I didn't need to know (and wished I could forget).

    It was '83 or '84 when I really got into them. I was on a long bus trip and somebody had a boombox (look it up, kids) playing IV and I was instantly hooked. When I got home I bought all of their records and was just going crazy with their music for about 5 years straight. My friend and I used to lay down between the big speakers and face them towards each other and crank Zeppelin for hours. One of our favs was What Is and What Should Never Be, because of the guitar going back and forth. I think I was having orgasms in my brain. If I went out of town, I HAD to bring my Zeppelin albums with me. If I couldn't, I'd go into withdrawl. Wait, this isn't inspiring, it's pathetic. Nevermind :wacko:

    You were in that earthquake, too? What a small world!

  2. I wish her much luck. Sounds like she has alot of support from you guys too, which is great. My parents didn't really encourage my choice, but it kept me out of trouble. We used to practice (with my first band) in my dad's shed where he kept tools, a lawnmower, etc. The cops would show up all the time, because we played so loud and annoyed the neighbors..Those were great times!!!

    Your daughter certainly has one thing in her favor...she has good taste in music...tell her to keep it up! I'm glad you enjoyed my story. To sum it up, it was a very important phase of my life, and Zeppelins power overtook me. That's all I can say.

    I'll be sure to pass it on. Unlike Jimmy, she only has my suppoert. She can be stubborn at time, and she tells me, I have to give her a "quick swift kick in the pants" to get her to practice. She does get discouraged, but I'm always there to encourage her. I had a brother and sister who were in a garage band, also. When I tell her about this, her ears perk up. The police never showed up, though. And they were loud. I wish my daughter could find someone to jam with. She and I envy Jimmy and Jeff because they were inseperable when they found each other. She can't jam with her dad, although she says he's very good. He's hardly ever home, that's why.

    Good to know you have a lot of support. My daughter and I wish you much success, and I hope we can meet you someday.

  3. ^^^^

    You messed up on the quote tags.

    Of course I know Gene Krupa. I even have some old Benny Goodman 78's I got from my Grandmother that feature Krupa on drums.

    Music was big in my house too, but so was politics and the REALITY of the political landscape.


    My mom liked Gene Krupa. That's how I know him. Always telling us what a great drummer he was. Was he really that good?

  4. You just today heard about that?

    Either you are very very young, or just got your first radio yesterday.

    Btw, and before you hear it on the radio...

    John Lennon is dead.

    ... you know, that dude from the Beatles.

    You're right, I was just a tot when this happened. Not exactly a topic for the dinner-table. And, yes, I know the beatles. And Peggy Lee, Martin Denny, Joe Cocker, Gene Crupa (You know him?), Chubby checker, the Stones.....need I go on? The only thing my family was interested in was music, dancing, and togetherness. Politics and negativity just wasn't part of the environment.

    BTW, you're such a nutter! :D

    ... you know--- THE BEATLES?


    (don't get mad, I'm just being Del) :D

  5. Forget seeing ancient Rome or the building of the Great Wall in China, when time machines are built, Ill be in the 70's at a Zeppelin concert.

    Time machine? Move over!

    When they were in L.A. in the mid-to-late '70's, I wasn't interested, even though the radio station was giving tickets away! Imagine that! Now, you have to get in a lottery to even be considered for one of their tickets.

    At least Jimmy and I were in the same earthquake in '71. He was in hollywood at the time, and I was in LA., which is just the next town over. He didn't like it too much. Yay, I have one thing in common with him!

  6. Where or How?

    I was fortunate to be surrounded by some very cool people at the time. Some were better than me and were willing to show me any lick I wanted to learn. It came very natural for me as I said in my story. I don't know how well your daugher takes to the instrument, but if there is not a presense close by to show her, you can get some books that show the tablature for chords. (It shows you where to place your fingers) If she's into it, she will practice. I soon learned to start with the easy riffs, and not the complicated ones. I used to begin with Whole Lotta Love and Iron Man, which are pretty easy once you get familiar and comfortable with the instrument. I don't know how far along she is, but this may help. Also, tuning the guitar is another vital step.

    Thanks for the add. And the response. She knows everything you just mentioned here. Forgive me if it sounds like I'm bragging, but she has a gift. All she has to do is watch Jimmy a few times, whether it be on the band's D.V.D's, or youtube, and she could figure it out. She can play by ear, and since her dad is also a self-taught musician, he showed her how to tune her guitar. She can play "over the hills and far away". The beginning part, that is, as well as a few other songs. She can also fo the neck-tapping Jimmy style. Which means, she can hold it over her head like he did.

    She does need encouragement, though. From time to time, I have to remind her of one thing. She has a gift, whereas Jimmy had to take guitar lessons. She has a desire to learn his more challenging work, though. Like "Hats off to Roy Harper".

    Unfortunately, she has no exposure like you did. She likes to sing, though. She wears flowers in her hair sometimes. Yes, she claims "Going to california" as her song. She says that's her. Right down to te part where Robert sings"Looking for a girl who has never, never been born".

  7. I discovered Led Zeppelin around the age of 14. My neighbor (Brian) who was about 10 or 12 years older than me was into music heavily. Every weekend he would be outside washing his new truck, and I would offer to help him. It started to become a weekly ritual, and when I was finished helping him, he would take me around the area we lived and just cruise around. He would turn me on to all this music I had yet to discover. He always had something new playing in his tape deck. My first memories of The Who, Iron Maiden, Rush, Jethro Tull, Motley Crue, Ratt and many others came from the speakers of his truck. I'd always ask ,"who's this??" and he'd tell me the bands name usually followed by a little bit of info on the group. I thought this guy was the coolest. You have to keep in mind that this was the mid-to late 80's and Hair Metal ruled MTV and pop-culture. One day he put a tape in and didn't say a word......."Hey, hey mamma said the way you move, gonna make you sweat, gonna make you groove" poored from the speakers followed by this massive riff that could destroy Satan himslf. I instantly new this was different from anything I had heard in my 14 years of life. I shouted over the music,"Who is this?" Brian answered,"Led Zeppelin, one of the greatest bands ever". I was hooked.

    He then played The Rover and once again, the riff blew me away. It was so heavy and musical. I subscibed to one of those music companies that sold tapes and cd's (BMG music). You paid for the first tape and then the others were free and you paid for shipping. Anyone remember? I ordered a few from Rush and ZZ Top and Led Zeppelin IV. I recieved them in the mail a week later and played the hell out of Zep IV until the felt started to fade on the bottom of the tape. Brian also gave me Led Zep II on vinyl around this time. I didn't have a state of the art record player, but there was my little brothers Fisher Price record player with a mimi speaker in it, used for playing childrens records, etc. Once I put on the first track I was hooked. The Fisher Price record player was transformed into my own personal escape. Markings of "Zeppelin Rulez" were written all over the tiny white record player. It was now mine. My friends at the time were all into the fad, fashion and music of the day. I tried to turn them on to Zeppelin, but it was over their heads. They didn't understand the musicality of this new band I was introduced to. I slowly became an outsider to my pack of friends and was lightly joked uopn because of my taste in music. But I knew deep down that what I liked was truly music. I knew it was good and it had meaning, passion and sould-which the music of the day lacked completely. Zeppelin was like a revelation to me.

    Soon after I started to study and read about them through books and magazines. I would travel 5 miles round trip on my bike to the closest music shop called Acorn Records and Tapes. Every week I would by a new Zeppelin or Zep related album unil my collection was complete. I became obsessed with Zeppelin. They were all I listened to. My parents told me it was okay to listen to music but to be that much into just ine band all the time was little over the top. I didn't care. I couldn't get enough of them, and with each album and song I became more fixated on their whole purpose. I bought Hammer of the Gods like every other fool and belived it all, until I realised it was mosltly bullshit years later. With all of this going on at one time, I took an interest in playing guitar. My mom bought me a $99 guitar with a built-in speaker from Sears or something. It took one 9V battery. I joined a music class as an elective in High School and met a bunch of cool guys who were moslty into the same stuff as myself. There were a few Hair Band activist, who I was cool with but neber had any real communication with. They didn't like Zep a whole lot, and so I didn't care much for them. It's almost as if I didn't really trust or respect them because they didn't like Zeppelin. How could these guys not care for Zeppelin???Were they insane or what. We would have arguments about who was the bast band and all that jazz and at time I became very defensive. I held Zeppelin very close to my heart. They were in a way my savior from all the trash on the radio/TV.

    I soon noticed that my talent for playing guitar came very natural to me. I never learned to read music, but I could hear something once or twice and figure out the chords and play it. I formed a band with two other classmates and ironically called the band "Achilles"...go figure. After playing the guitar for a few months , I gained interest in the drums and managed to get a hold of an old Rogers drum set. This was my position in the band. Again, my co-ordination was natural. I became quite good in a short period of time. We wrote our own music, which to this day sounds pretty good. It was more on the metal side of things - like Metallica or Iron Madien. Achilles did a few talent shows for school and a few parties here and there.

    It was now 1989. There were two Classic Rock radio stations at this time who basically played the same stuff. 92.3 "Classic Rock" and WRNO 99.5 "The Rock of New Orleans" On weekend and school night when I had nothing to do, I would glue myself to the radio and just listen, I would spent hours engulfed at the musi coming into my room. As time passed, I was able to name any song on the radio, the artist, the year, the album, etc. You name it, I knew it. This was my HOMEWORK.

    A few years passed, as the routine continued. Around the age of 19 or 20 I started to collect bootlegs and managed to aquire a nice size collection. I had boots from every year. Probably 40 concerts in all. By this time my entire room was covered with Zep posters, memorabilia, etc. My band had split up by this time and I was looking for a new project to get into. I new my talents would take me somewhere, and most of all I enjoyed it. A fried of mine was looking to join agroup but they needed a bass player, not a drummer. I had always has an interest in bass and now was a good time to try it out. I borrowed a bass from a musical frien and it was just as natural as any other instrument. I was to new to the instrument to be flashy yet, but I knew the notes, which was good enough for now. I was also singing a bit at the time. After a few jam sessions, a new band was formed called "DeJa Vu". We played top 40 classic rock and a few originals.

    My love for Zeppelin was still strong, even though I had managed to appreciate other great bands like Rush and Pink Floyd, none of the new music was of interest. Everything I liked was considered "old". (Classic Rock) I also aquired a love for the blues, which again was inspired by my love for Zeppelin. Zeppelin opened my eyes to how music should be composed and arranged- not only how to play.

    In 1997, I fomed a trio with my bother on drums, a guitar player and myself on bass/vocals called "Three Piece White Meat". The name was hilarious, but we were hungry musicians who played around town consistantly. We did originals with a mix of Zeppelin, Rush and Black Sabbath. We were all heay into Zeppelin and the guitar players father owned a record shop. The next few years of my life would be spent in and out of this shop, buying anything available from Zeppelin. My collection was getting bigger and bigger. It was good to finally realise at this point that the path I had chosen (musical preference) was indeed a good one, because my like-minded friends all had good taste and had been through that same phase in life. My friends had good taste, and I suppose so did I. It all made sense. All the years I had been teased because of what I had listened to, didn't matter anymore. I knew from an early age that what I embraced was going to shape my life and it did.

    In 2000, I had the pleasure of meeting one of my idols. Mr. JPJ at the HOB in New Orleans. He was supporting his Zooma LP. After a fantastic show, I waited outside for 3 hours to meet him. As he came out, I got nervous. I didn't know what to say!!!! After he signed a few autograph I asked him to take a few pics with me and sign a few things. I told him what an impact he had on my life growing up and he seemed really humbled by my comments. He was very polite and easy going. After the pics he said to me "good luck with your music, I hope you do well out there" and he disappeard into the dark ally. I was speechless for days. I couldn't believe I actually met JPJ. It was incredible. My brother and some friends (who also met him that night) were all in a daze for a week or so. Did we just meet The Master of Bass??? Yes, we did.

    A year or so later, I formed another Trio called "Endora's Mask" which still exist to this day. You can check out a few tunes at:


    Our Zeppelin influence in subtle but obvious in certain phrasings and arragements. It's very tasteful and unique, which is hard to come by these days. I wouldn't say that we sound like any one band, really. It's a good mix of classic vs. modern. See for yourself. So If you are wondering.....

    What does Zeppelin mean to me?.............


    They are the most influential rock band of all time.

    They have shaped my past, present and future.

    And for that, I am very grateful to be who I am today.

    Zeppelin Rulez!

    Your post really hit me. I have a 17-year-old daughter who is greatly insluenced by these guys, too. She works hard to play like Jimmy. But who can? We have kept up with everything that's going on with Jimmy, and the other band memebers. But mostly Jimmy. He's a great producer and musician, and that's how he wants to be reembered, according to an interview he gave to "Guitar World" magazine. She, too wants to start up a band, produce, and write the music. I know it's not easy, but Jimmy did give us some advice, via interviews we read, about how to go about it. He is a great influence on her, and she has a dream. She plays acoustic, and hollow-body electric. Any ideas as to where she can start?

  8. Frail Page Rocks With Stairway

    Daily Herald | Chicago, Illinois | Monday, October 10, 1983

    by Lisa Robinson

    Even though Robert Plant said that he'd never play it again, Jimmy Page played "Stairway to Heaven" two weeks ago at London's Royal Albert Hall in a special charity concert to benefit the Ronnie Lane Multiple Sclerosis Fund.

    The band assembled was quite a collection of aging British rockers — and at one time Eric Clapton, Steve Winwood, Bill Wyman, Jeff Beck, Charlie Watts, Kenny Jones and Jimmy Page were all playing at once.

    Page received the most applause when he came on stage, and although he looked somewhat frail, he managed to perform three numbers — including the instrumental version of "Stairway to Heaven."

    In the audience were those well known hard-rock fans — Prince Charles and Lady Diana — who went

    backstage during intermission to meet the musicians.

    He may have been at his lowest point, but he still rocked. That's what I like about him. He never gave up. He's a survivor. He survived Glandualr Fever, he survived Robert's losses, bad press, and he survived his addiction. He's a fighter. That's what I like about him. He's a fighter!

  9. :(:( LEST WE FORGET.....hands up who has never been a student at least once in his/her life.......no hate mail, pls!:


    Mary Ann Vecchio, the girl who is shown bending down near the body of one of the students in the picture above....


    The Kent State shootings, also known as the May 4 massacre or Kent State massacre,[2][3][4] occurred at Kent State University in the city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. Four students were killed and nine others wounded, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis.[5]

    Some of the students who were shot were protesting the American invasion of Cambodia, which President Richard Nixon announced in a television address on April 30. However, other students who were shot were merely walking nearby or observing the protest at a distance.[6][7]

    There was a significant national response to the shootings: hundreds of universities, colleges, and high schools closed throughout the United States due to a student strike of eight million students, and the event further divided the country along political lines.



    • <LI class=toclevel-1>
    1 Historical background <LI class=toclevel-1>2 Timeline
    • <LI class=toclevel-2>
    2.1 Thursday, April 30 <LI class=toclevel-2>2.2 Friday, May 1 <LI class=toclevel-2>2.3 Saturday, May 2 <LI class=toclevel-2>2.4 Sunday, May 3
    2.5 Monday, May 4

    <LI class=toclevel-1>3 Casualties <LI class=toclevel-1>4 Aftermath and long-term effects

    • <LI class=toclevel-2>
    4.1 Legal action against the guardsmen
    4.2 Long-term effects

    <LI class=toclevel-1>5 Memorials at Kent State <LI class=toclevel-1>6 Artistic tributes

    • <LI class=toclevel-2>
    6.1 Music <LI class=toclevel-2>6.2 Literature
    • <LI class=toclevel-3>
    6.2.1 Prose <LI class=toclevel-3>6.2.2 Poetry
    6.2.3 Plays

    [*]6.3 Multimedia

    <LI class=toclevel-1>7 Films

    • <LI class=toclevel-2>
    7.1 Documentary
    7.2 Drama

    <LI class=toclevel-1>8 See also <LI class=toclevel-1>9 Notes and references <LI class=toclevel-1>10 Further reading <LI class=toclevel-1>11 External links


    [<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kent_State_shootings&action=edit&section=1" target="_blank">edit] Historical background

    Richard Nixon had been elected President in 1968, promising to end the Vietnam War. In November 1969 the My Lai Massacre was exposed, prompting widespread outrage around the world and leading to increased public opposition to the war. In addition, the following month saw the first draft lottery instituted since World War II. The war had appeared to be winding down throughout 1969 so a new invasion of Cambodia angered those who felt it only exacerbated the conflict.

    Many young people, including college students and teachers, were concerned about being drafted to fight in a war that they strongly opposed. The expansion of that war into another country appeared to them to have increased that risk. Across the country, campuses erupted in protests in what Time called "a nation-wide student strike", setting the stage for the events of early May 1970.


    [<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kent_State_shootings&action=edit&section=2" target="_blank">edit] Timeline


    [<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kent_State_shootings&action=edit&section=3" target="_blank">edit] Thursday, April 30

    President Richard Nixon announced to the nation that an "incursion" into Cambodia had been launched by United States combat forces.


    [<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kent_State_shootings&action=edit&section=4" target="_blank">edit] Friday, May 1

    At Kent State, a massive demonstration was held on May 1 on the Commons (a grassy knoll in the center of campus traditionally used as a gathering place for rallies or protests), and another had been planned for May 4. There was widespread anger, and many protesters issued a call to "bring the war home." As a symbolic protest to Nixon's decision to send troops, a group of about five hundred students watched a graduate student at Kent State burying a copy of the U.S. Constitution.

    Trouble erupted in town at around midnight when intoxicated bikers[citation needed] left a bar and began throwing beer bottles at cars and breaking downtown store fronts. In the process they broke a bank window which set off an alarm. The news spread quickly and it resulted in several bars closing early to avoid trouble. Before long more people had joined the vandalism and looting, while others remained bystanders.

    By the time police arrived, a crowd of about 100 had already gathered. Some people from the crowd had already lit a small bonfire in the street. The crowd appeared to be a mix of bikers, students, and out-of town youths who regularly came to Kent's bars. A few members of the crowd began to throw beer bottles at the police, and then started yelling obscenities at them. The disturbance lasted for about an hour before the police restored order. By that time most of the bars were closed and the downtown area of Kent and the campus were quiet.


    [<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kent_State_shootings&action=edit&section=5" target="_blank">edit] Saturday, May 2

    Kent's Mayor Leroy Satrom declared a state of emergency on May 2 and, later that afternoon, asked Ohio Governor James A. Rhodes to send the National Guard to Kent to help maintain order.

    When the National Guard arrived in town that evening, a large demonstration was already under way on the campus, and the campus Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) building (which had been boarded up and scheduled for demolition[citation needed]) was burning. The arsonists were never apprehended and no one was injured in the fire. More than a thousand protesters surrounded the building and cheered the building's burning. While attempting to extinguish the fire, several Kent firemen and police officers were hit with rocks and other objects by those standing near the fire. More than one fire engine company had to be called in because protesters carried the fire hose into the Commons and slashed it.[8][9][10] A call for assistance went out and at 10:00 p.m., the National Guard entered the campus for the first time, setting up camp directly on campus. There were many arrests made, tear gas was used, and at least one student was wounded with a bayonet.[11]


    [<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kent_State_shootings&action=edit&section=6" target="_blank">edit] Sunday, May 3

    By Sunday, May 3, there were nearly 1,000 National Guardsmen on campus to control the students.

    During a press conference, Governor Rhodes called the protesters un-American and referred to the protesters as revolutionaries set on destroying higher education in Ohio. "They're worse than the brownshirts and the communist element and also the nightriders and the vigilantes," Rhodes said. "They're the worst type of people that we harbor in America. I think that we're up against the strongest, well-trained, militant, revolutionary group that has ever assembled in America."[12]

    Rhodes also claimed he would obtain a court order declaring a state of emergency, banning further demonstrations, and gave the impression that a situation akin to martial law had been declared; however he never attempted to obtain such an order. [13]

    During the day some students came into downtown Kent to help with cleanup efforts after the rioting, which met with mixed reactions from local businessmen. Mayor Satrom, under pressure from frightened citizens, ordered a curfew until further notice.

    Around 8:00 p.m., another rally was held on the campus Commons. By 8:45 p.m. the Guard used tear gas to disperse the crowd, and the students reassembled at the intersection of Lincoln and Main Streets, holding a sit-in in the hopes of gaining a meeting with Mayor Satrom and President White. At 11:00 p.m., the Guard announced that a curfew had gone into effect and began forcing the students back to their dorms. Ten Guardsmen were injured[11] and a few students were bayoneted by Guardsmen.[1]


    [<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kent_State_shootings&action=edit&section=7" target="_blank">edit] Monday, May 4

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Question_book-3.svgThis section needs additional citations for verification.

    Please help improve this article by adding reliable references. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (February 2008)300px-Ruffnerveccio.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ruffnerveccio.jpgAnother photo taken at almost the same time as the iconic Filo image; this one was taken by Howard Ruffner.On Monday, May 4, a protest was scheduled to be held at noon, as had been planned three days earlier. University officials attempted to ban the gathering, handing out 12,000 leaflets stating that the event was canceled. Despite this, an estimated 2,000 people gathered[14] on the university's Commons, near Taylor Hall. The protest began with the ringing of the campus's iron victory bell (which had historically been used to signal victories in football games) to signal the beginning of the rally, and the first protester began to speak.

    Fearing that the situation might escalate into another violent protest, Companies A and C, 1/145th Infantry and Troop G of the 2/107th Armored Cavalry, Ohio ARNG, the units on the campus grounds, attempted to disperse the students. The legality of the dispersal was later debated at a subsequent wrongful death and injury trial. On appeal, the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit ruled that authorities did indeed have the right to disperse the crowd.

    The dispersal process began late in the morning with a police official, riding in a Guard Jeep, approaching the students to read them an order to disperse or face arrest. The protesters pelted the Jeep with rocks, forcing it to retreat. One Guardsman was injured in the attack.

    Just before noon, the Guard returned and again ordered the crowd to disperse. When they refused, the Guard used tear gas. Because of wind, the tear gas had little effect in dispersing the crowd, and some began a second rock attack with chants of "Pigs off campus!" The students threw the tear gas canisters back at the National Guardsmen. However they had put on gas masks upon first using tear gas.

    When it was obvious the crowd was not going to disperse, a group of 77 National Guard troops from A Company and Troop G began to advance on the hundreds of protesters with bayonets fixed on their weapons. The guardsmen had little training in riot control. As the guardsmen advanced, the protesters retreated up and over Blanket Hill, heading out of The Commons area. Once over the hill, the students, in a loose group, moved northeast along the front of Taylor Hall, with some continuing toward a parking lot in front of Prentice Hall (slightly northeast of and perpendicular to Taylor Hall). The guardsmen pursued the protesters over the hill, but rather than veering left as the protesters had, they continued straight, heading down toward an athletic practice field enclosed by a chain link fence. Here they remained for about ten minutes, unsure of how to get out of the area short of retracing their entrance path (an action some guardsmen considered might be viewed as a retreat[improper synthesis?]). During this time, the bulk of the students were off to the left and front of the guardsmen, approximately 50 to 75 meters away, on the veranda of Taylor Hall. Others were scattered between Taylor Hall and the Prentice Hall parking lot, while still others, perhaps 35 or 40, were standing in the parking lot, or dispersing through the lot as had been previously ordered.

    While on the practice field, the guardsmen generally faced the parking lot which was about 100 meters away. At one point some of the guardsmen knelt and aimed their weapons toward the parking lot, then stood up again. For a few moments several guardsmen formed a loose huddle and appeared to be talking to one another. The guardsmen appeared to be unclear as to what to do next. They had cleared the protesters from the Commons area, and many students had left, but many stayed and were still angrily confronting the soldiers, some throwing rocks and tear gas canisters. At the end of about ten minutes the guardsmen began to retrace their steps back up the hill toward the Commons area. Some of the students on the Taylor Hall veranda began to move slowly toward the soldiers as the latter passed over the top of the hill and headed back down into the Commons.

    At this point, at 12:22 PM,[1] a number of guardsmen at the top of the hill abruptly turned and fired their M1 Garand semi-automatic military rifles into the students. The guardsmen directed their fire not at the closest students, who were on the Taylor Hall veranda, but at those on the grass area and concrete walkway below the veranda, at those on the service road between the veranda and the parking lot, and at those in the parking lot.[improper synthesis?] Bullets were not sprayed in all directions, but instead were confined to a fairly limited line of fire leading from the top of the hill to the parking lot. Not all the soldiers who fired their weapons directed their fire into the students. Some soldiers fired into the ground while a few fired into the air. In all, 29 of the 77 guardsmen claimed to have fired their weapons. A total of 67 bullets were fired. The shooting was determined to have lasted only 13 seconds, although a New York Times reporter stated that "it appeared to go on, as a solid volley, for perhaps a full minute or a little longer." The question of why the shots were fired is widely debated.

    The Adjutant General of the Ohio National Guard told reporters that a sniper had fired on the guardsmen, which itself remains a debated allegation. Many guardsmen later testified that they were in fear for their lives, which was questioned partly because of the distance of the wounded students. Time magazine later concluded that "triggers were not pulled accidentally at Kent State". The President's Commission on Campus Unrest avoided the question of why the shootings happened and harshly criticized both the protesters and the Guardsmen, but concluded that "the indiscriminate firing of rifles into a crowd of students and the deaths that followed were unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable."

    On May 1, 2007, various news agencies reported the claim of a former student who was injured in the shooting to have uncovered new evidence that the guardsmen were ordered to fire upon the crowd. Terry Strubbe, a student who lived in a dormitory overlooking the anti-war rally site, placed a microphone at a windowsill and recorded[15] nearly 30 minutes of the event on reel-to-reel tape. He sent a copy of the tape to the FBI and kept a copy in a safe deposit box. The government copy has been archived at Yale University. According to Alan Canfora, who was injured in the wrist that day by a gunshot, a voice can be heard on the tape yelling, "Right here! Get Set! Point! Fire!" before the 13-second volley of gunfire.[15] Canfora said he has obtained a copy of that tape and that he plans to release it on CD. He wants the government to reopen the investigation of the 37-year-old case.[16]

    In another step towards this goal, Canfora provided a copy of the tape to musician Ian MacKaye of the bands Minor Threat and Fugazi, and co-founder of Dischord Records, who digitally enhanced the recording by boosting the volume level and removing tape hiss.[15][17][18]

    The shootings killed four students and wounded nine. Two of the four students killed, Allison Krause and Jeffrey Miller, had participated in the protest, and the other two, Sandra Scheuer and William Knox Schroeder, were walking from one class to the next. Schroeder was also a member of the campus ROTC chapter. Of those wounded, none was closer than 71 feet (22 m) to the guardsmen. Of those killed, the nearest (Miller) was 265 feet (81 m) away.

    Are you kidding me? Just today, I was listening to the radio, and the D.J. said that Neil Young wrote a song about this. It was a protest song. It's called "Ohio". The D.J. played the sng after he described what happened on that day.

    You're right! Not cool!

  10. My dad is a big Zep fan so I've just grown up around it and it got in my blood. He always listened to them and I loved the sound. I've been a fan for my entire life. (That is about of literal as it gets for those of you who doubt me.)

    I believe you. I'd have to give the credit to my ex-husband for influencing my 17-year-old daughter. He would play their music ever since she could hear. Now, she sings their songs, and plays their music. She's learning to play guitar. One guess as to who she's copying. And she's pretty good at it, too.

  11. I'm in the same boat as Double Necker. I'm fucking miserable. Notice, I haven't even been posting here lately. I think I'm suffering from OCD. I expect everything to run smoothly and be perfect. When it doesn't/isn't I get all fucked up and pissed off. I just bought an IPOD and loaded about 3000 songs only to discover all the missing composers, typos, etc, etc. I'm spending all my time correcting everything and filling in all the blank. IT HAS TO BE DONE. Nobody drives correctly, my co-workers are all idiots, nobody responds to my phone calls or emails. None of my friends call anymore. On top of all this shit, I've been dealing with a medical condition and am waiting for the doctors test results. I am so fucked.

    Look at it this way. This won't last forever. Maybe you need to focus on your work and get a new set of friends. It sounds like you have a job, at least. A place to live. Money to spend. Maybe a car. Most people don't even have that. Some don't have a car, job, or a place to live. Some don't even have friends. Other than here. But life still goes on. Look at all that you do have and don't focus on everything that goes wrong. It's like a cancer. If you focus on it, it'll eat you up!

    At least you have us.

  12. There's always ups and downs in life, time to get on the dancefloor and do the Crocodile Rock to Hot Dog man!!!

    I heard that song! That's a good one!

    Who said life was fair? Where is it written? Friends come and go. What matters is that you were open to listen to other people's experiences. I hope it made you see that what you were going trough wasn't all that bad. Believe it or not, there are others who do care. When wh're going through those valleys, we think we're the only ones with problems. I think that's what helped you.

  13. They should of kept the #1 Les Paul signiature going.. Page used it much more than the Black Beauty.

    He didn't use the Black Beauty guitar so much, because it got "nicked at an airport", as Jimmy put it. He said that was the only time he took it out. I hear the Les Paul company made a replacement for him before he released these other ones. That would be before Feb. 15th. That's when they were re-released here in California, anyways.

  14. jesus is a marketing scam. i mean, if jesus saved us from sin and death, then why are we still sinning and dying? it's all fairly pointless...i mean, hell is the here and now. it's all ridiculous. we're all gonna die, and i'll cross that bridge when i come t it.

    You are truly "dazed and confused" I f you bothered to read your bible, you'd see that it says that "Hell is full of people" who don't believe.

    I guess you're one of those. Boy, are you in for a ruda awakening!

    BTW, there's no such thing as "Once saved, always saved". The bible also states that you have to turn away from your sins and be born again. Hello!

  15. Let's see:

    Sin list:

    1. fornication- check

    2. fornication with a minor- check

    3. adultery- many many times check

    4. Coca Cola endorsement- check, ohh that's a serious no-no

    5. major brain cell killing drug use- check

    And that's just the start….I have no power to continue it…

    And let's not forget major sleaziness (Robert)

    and woman-napping(Jimmy)!

  16. I think it was Richard Cole said something along the lines of, "Do you know how hard it is to find somewhere to get a violin bow re-strung at 1am?" I believe they used to buy a whole heap of used bows, so that they could go for a few weeks without needing to get them re-haired.

    I know they did. My daughter read in in an interview. She said, Jimmy said that he would buy a lot of bows before they went on tour. He did say, "A lot of cheap bows".

  17. when I say move the bow I mean up and down the neck like back and forth and what exactly is rosin.

    Rosin is a sort of lubricant, if you like. It keeps the strings from drying out. Also, did you tighten the bow? There's a little screw-type thingie on one end of the bow. If you twist it a little, It'll tighten the bow. But don't twist it too much, otherwise the bow will break. And you have to play all the guitar strings at the same time. Sorta like playing a violin, because a violin is the only instrument where you can play all the strings at the same time. Don't be surprised if the bow breaks. They'e not meant for guitars. That's why Jimmy would buy a bunch of them. Good luck!

  18. I don't want an argument.

    But I think that would depend on what kind of mood he's in. I've heard he's rather shy and quiet, you could end up being the one who does all the talking.

    I looked up his birthday on the chinese Zodiac. He was born in the year of the monkey. It says, "Many are entertained by the Monkey's good humor and mischievous spirit". It says a lot of other things that are so true of Jimmy, but that part stood out to me. According to the pictures I've seen of him, and his antics on stage, I think that fits him like a glove. Nothing could be more true. He's such a clown! I heard their live version of "Rock and Roll" yesterday, and Jimmy was playing the "Reville" when he was supposed to be playing his solo. It was the 1940's bugle call for the U.S. Army. Now that doesn't sound like a shy guy to me!

  19. I don't think you tell Jimmy Page anything, I think you listen to what he has to say...

    And you know this how? He doesn't strike me as the bossy type. But who is he really? After you strip away all the fame and glory? He's still a person, just like you and me. But I'd gladly listen to what he has to say.

  20. Thanks, Diana-loura! :thanku:

    Talking about sexy Jimmy, I have just posted in the LZ Masterforum on the "Awesome Jimmy's solos thread " the link for his Heartbreaker solo, one of my favorites. Check that out and then let know if he doesn't look HOT HOT HOT.

    He's a heartbreaker, indeed! :lol::lol:

    There's one part of that "Heartbreaker" solo where Jimmy makes his guitar sound like the guy in the song is really crying. Very sad. Such pain and heart-ache in that solo. Funny you should mention "putting all his emotions in his guitar playing". That solo really says a lot.

  21. Jimmy you are the best ever,!!! since I was 13 I have been in-love with you, you are meserizing in a cool shy way with the most beautiful smile, It would be a dream to meet you in person!! I love your appreciation for music, wich makes us appreciate it through your playing. You are such a gentleman, who could resist you.Please tour the u.s. i would love the opportunity to see you play live, an opportunity of a lifetime. After 1980 never thought that could be a possibility. love always, gina

    now that the band has a fan base that shocks even Jimmy, If they did tour, do you think this could be called "the concert of the century"? Think about it.

  22. i have guitar hero, i have real guitars, i love led zeppelin. so with that in mind, i think this topic has raised the hair on the back of some people's necks and they've taken it personally that people would actually play a video game with a controller fashioned after a guitar and still be able to love zeppelin.

    i've heard it over and over - get a real instrument! or what a joke that is! or just because you can play gh that doesn't mean you can play a real guitar! well, i'm here to say i've yet to come across anyone whose even hinted that they think they know how to play a guitar because of their skill at the video game. as has been mentioned, it's simply a game.

    now, being a lover of music, a lover of guitar especially, the idea of video game that was about guitar blew my mind. personally i think it's a great idea. i know that it does introduce people to different types of music and bands they may never have known about. so it does have it's merits. but hardly is anyone claiming that it gives anyone the illusion that they can really play. :)

    as for zep in these games, i know, probably will not ever happen. i am a little saddened by that, just because i love zeppelin so much, but i understand. someone earlier linked to a youtube vid of some custom songs that people have created with zeppelin pieces, and they are awesome. the stairway one is great.

    Imagine what would happen if Jimmy found out about the character you described on your daughter's game. He has a temper when it comes to tampering with his work. I don't want to be around if he finds out!

    my daughter's favorite character in gh2 is clive winston and anyone who knows the game and this character knows it's a spitting image of jimmy circa 1977 period. the only thing that is not right on is the character has a mustache, but it's not completely out of place. he has a white suit that looks remarkably like the dragon suit, when star power is engaged with this character his "trick" is to pull out a bow and play with it. and the fretboard has a dragon design on it when this character is used. so they're already tipping their cap to the world's best, but that's as close as you get to zeppelin in gh so far.

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