Aquamarine
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You get a superior standard of debate on a Zeppelin forum.
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Uh, no. Those that did the same thing got the same result that Page and Plant got. They got sued, and lost.
And guess what, at the time there were plenty of great artists out there who weren't copying other people's work and claiming it for their own. So, repeating that age-old myth that "everyone was doing it" is pointless. Case in point: Davy Graham. So, it doesn't matter how many people were copying each other, there were still a lot of great players and songwriters choosing an honest path. Lifting from another artist without crediting them is what hacks do when they can't come up with their own ideas. Theft is still theft. Call it borrowing or whatever you want.
Sure, copying Michelangelo's painting on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, and putting it on the ceiling of a local Church claiming it as your own original work doesn't make the effort in painting any less impressive on a technical level. But on an integrity level, claiming someone else's ideas and technical creativity, obviously that's where the problem lies. Page and Plant were extremely high on a technical level, but in many cases displayed very little integrity with crediting the things they "borrowed".
Uh, yes. They did. We've already argued this one into the ground in previous threads, but just as one example, many old blues songs had hardly an original line in them. Nobody sued anybody, that's how the musical tradition worked as a process of mutual influence. This whole idea of copyrighting music is comparatively recent.
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What bugs me in this thread and others like it is the constant use of the word "theft". Even the word "borrowing" doesn't find grace to my eyes.
Nobody is totally original. Page is just one among an immemorial line of rearrangers of musical motifs. A mighty rearranger :-)
Exactly. And many of his contemporaries (and forerunners, and followers) did exactly the same thing.
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And Aquamarine, you saw the Monkees in the 60's?!? WOW! Was it the tour with Jimi Hendrix opening?
People always ask me that, and I can't remember for the life of me who opened (I remember the venue, it was the Wembley Empire Pool, long gone)--I'd have remembered if it had been Hendrix, though, because I had tickets to see him another time and then I got the chicken pox and couldn't go.
Edit--nope, Hendrix was apparently in Miami that day.
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I felt exactly the same way--I went because, let's face it, I couldn't not go, but I was dubious. As it turned out, it was a wonderful evening, and the Jason/Bonzo Moby Dick was worth the price of admission alone. (Well, that, and John and Pat trying to keep a straight face while Jason did his Gary Glitter impression . . .
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It's about time they updated their site. Their new dates (mostly out west) are on Facebook, however.
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Hey, I saw them the first time around, in the late 60s.
I won't tell the Zep folks if you won't.
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They are literally like family and have a real love/hate relationship like brothers, so when there is talk of in-fighting, none of the fans bother to be concerned about it, really.
We hear that this is also true of Page and Plant--would that their fans responded the same way!
Mike has been involved in his own projects (music and film). He is independently wealthy and can pick and choose where, when and with whom he wants to play. I just saw him last month play a short gig (acoustic set) in Austin (not far from the Lucky Lounge). He made no mention of reuniting with any of the Monkees and I think he has distanced himself from them.
I may be totally misremembering this, but didn't one of his parents (his mother?) invent White-out? I seem to remember he was independently wealthy even back in the Monkees' first incarnation.
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And that's why the Who are still going strong today, even though there's only two of the original members left?
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Though now they've moved to Nashville . .
I adore the BK, hard to believe this is the first thread about them! But timely, as they seem posed on the brink of becoming big (which in a way is kind of a shame, as those small intimate gigs are the best, but it's what they've wanted all along, so good luck to 'em).
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No, definitely not Susan George--looks like Jackie DeShannon to me. (Though as the question was asked in 2008, maybe they've solved it by now?
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From RollingStone.com:
Video: Ron Wood, Mick Taylor Unite for Benefit Show
Current, former Rolling Stones members come together to save landmark London venue
By Andy Greene
Ron Wood, Mick Taylor and Dick Taylor never played in the Rolling Stones at the same time, but Wednesday night they joined forces to try and save London's legendary 100 Club. Open since 1942, the tiny venue has hosted Louis Armstrong, The Sex Pistols and Oasis, among many others.
In the early 1960s the Rolling Stones played many of their earliest gigs at the club, but in recent years the club has struggled to pay the rent. Now, it may close unless it finds a sponsor. "Are you ready to save the 100 Club?" Wood asked the screaming crowd as he took the stage.
At the benefit Dick Taylor (the Stones' original bassist, who later formed The Pretty Things) jammed with late 1960s/early 1970s guitarist Mick Taylor and his replacement Ron Wood. The three Stones had never before shared a stage and have rarely played together in any capacity. Their set included staples of early 1960s 100 Club gigs, including "Spoonful" and "Shaking All Over." (Watch the video above for their performance of "Fancy Pants.")
It's great to see Mick Taylor back in the fold; he had been out of the limelight for a very long time, though the band did recently bring him back to the studio to record new guitar overdubs on Exile On Main St. outtakes. Plus, with Mick and Keith feuding again there's no telling when the Stones are going to reform.
Keith, on the other hand, claims they didn't bring him in to do overdubs and haven't seen him for years.
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For anyone that purchased the Ludwig Fundraiser laminate at any of the shows, the winning code number for the Ludwig Vistalite kit has not yet been posted on the JBLZE site, as of an hour ago.
Please, if you see the winning number posted, please post it here !
Thanks ! !
Good luck, Rover!
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Yeah, it would be nice to see a larger version. Your other painting is really good.
So are Delinha's--really good stuff.
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Know why that's a really good painting? Well, among other reasons. Because it's not just a copy of a photograph, but actually shows creativity and expressiveness. Nice work!
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Again, I'd prefer that they just play the music--putting their own spin on it when the spirit moves them--rather than try to copy the originals, which just throws into relief the fact that they AREN'T the originals. But, again, that's just my personal take on it.
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Here's my review of the shows I saw.
What the hell, thought I'd try my hand at concert reviews!
I know everybody will feel differently about these things, but I did disagree on a couple of things in that I thought the guitarist was the weakest link (pretty good, but so obviously no Page), while the singer had a fabulous voice that was perfect for the songs, but which he didn't IMO use to slavishly copy Plant. In fact, one of the things I liked most about the whole band was that they weren't trying to replicate Zep, prancing around in dragon suits and such. So for me it was a plus that the singer didn't look like Plant--why pretend to be someone you're not? The drummer did look a bit like Bonzo, though.
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I agree with the Rover that the Dallas show was very well-performed (excellent singer, especially) but could have been louder--I was right at the front, and by rights I should still be deaf!
The highlight for me was Moby Dick, and Thank You with the accompanying film clips was wonderful. It's interesting how it's when playing his dad's music that Jason seems to be coming into his own as a drummer.Apologies if I've repeated what others have said earlier--I deliberately didn't read this thread before going to the show.
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Fifteen to twenty minutes.
Thanks.
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How long has the intermission been, usually? (Sorry if this has already been mentioned.)
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Mine arrived this morning yesterday and I've already read as much as I've had time for.
I'm really impressed with the guy's honesty, as much as anything else. -
The Sniderman identity has been known for a long time, but fascinating to find out what happened to him. Wish my book would hurry up and arrive!
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Here's where tastes differ, I guess, as I hated it!
You get a superior standard of debate on a Zeppelin forum. 
Osama bin Laden DEAD
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Well, according to what the Pres just said, he hasn't been dead for years.
I'm concerned about the possibility of reprisals . .