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  1. From The Sunday Times:

    http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol...icle3492137.ece

    Critics love albums that the public hates – and vice versa. It's a

    bout between Trouts and Bats

    Mark Edwards

    All right, it probably won't ever happen, but in the unlikely event

    that someone, one day, bets you a large amount of money that you

    won't be able to identify which person in a crowd of strangers is a

    music journalist - without asking them directly what they do for a

    living - here's how you win the bet. Go up to each person in turn and

    ask them to name their favourite Beatles track. The music journalist

    is the one who chooses Tomorrow Never Knows.

    You can be sure of two things. First, nobody who doesn't listen to

    music for a living will choose the final track on Revolver. An early

    pop gem such as I Wanna Hold Your Hand, perhaps, or a psychedelic

    masterpiece such as Strawberry Fields Forever, or a late-period sing-

    along such as Hey Jude, but not Tomorrow Never Knows. Second, the

    music critic has to say Tomorrow Never Knows. It's the law. If they

    choose Penny Lane or Let It Be, they'll be drummed out of the union.

    Like the rich, music journalists are different. Crucially, we hear

    music differently. Obviously, we shouldn't. In an ideal world, music

    critics would be a simple conduit between great music and the wider

    public. "Here you go," we should say, "you'll love this" - and you

    would love it. The truth is a little different. While there is a

    large amount of music that is loved by critics and embraced by the

    record-buying/downloading public, and a similar amount that is

    shunned by both, there are albums that are adored by critics, but

    firmly resisted by almost everyone else, and albums that sell

    shedloads despite being ravaged by every critic in the land. The

    former group is epitomised by Captain Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica,

    the latter by Bat out of Hell - so let's call them Trouts and Bats.

    There are different kinds of Trouts. Some are surely just about music

    critics showing off. Even if you admire the artistic intent behind

    Metal Machine Music, would you really want to listen to it? Then

    there are Trouts that are genuinely wonderful works, and critics

    shake their heads in sorrow that more people don't appreciate them,

    although we kind of understand why. Robert Wyatt typifies this group.

    Critics love him, but realise that his voice will strike most

    listeners as a bit odd on first hearing. In fact, "Wyatting" has

    gained currency as a term describing the act of playing a song on a

    pub jukebox that you know will unsettle and annoy other customers.

    Fortunately, as well as being a brilliant songwriter and singer,

    Wyatt is also a thoroughly nice chap, with a great sense of humour,

    and professes himself "honoured" by the association.

    You might think that music critics would give up on these Trouts as

    lost causes, but no. We dig in our heels because we know we're right.

    Van Morrison's Astral Weeks is one of the best albums ever made;

    nobody much bought it, but critics never shut up about it.

    Eventually, 33 years later, it finally went gold. Okay, a lot of

    those sales will have been to music journalists replacing yet another

    worn-out copy, but still.

    If Wyatt's voice or Morrison's masterpiece are far enough away from

    the musical mainstream to make their commercial limitations

    understandable, another batch of Trouts - wonderful pop music by

    Aimee Mann, Brendan Benson and one-non-hit-wonders Cardinal,

    masterful songwriting by John Hiatt or Randy Newman - seems to have

    all the necessary ingredients for commercial success, but never broke

    through beyond the "critically acclaimed" level.

    In part, this is explained by the importance of image in commercial

    success. Even in their younger days, Hiatt and Newman didn't carry

    themselves like pop stars, and while Mann gave it a go, she always

    looked uncomfortable in the role. Mainly, though, the discrepancy

    between Trouts and Bats is due to the fact that music critics are

    assessing music using different criteria than the rest of the world.

    Or, perhaps more accurately, we're using roughly the same criteria,

    but giving greater weight to some of them. Critics are particularly

    keen on authenticity, innovation, great lyrics and - most of all - a

    direct and identifiable connection between the emotions of the

    songwriter and the finished work. We're looking for the musical

    equivalent of a Jackson Pollock - it doesn't have to be pretty, but

    it must be genuine. If you take a look at the list of Bats, you'll

    note the almost complete absence of these qualities, in favour of

    attributes that critics often downweight – melody, entertainment

    value, immediacy, escapism, image.

    Of course, these lists are merely the extremes. There is an awful lot

    of shared ground. If you think of some of the biggest hits of the

    past few years - the songs that were "everywhere", such as Hey Ya,

    Crazy, Umbrella, Rehab - they tick all the boxes. Critics adored them

    as much as the millions who bought them. We don't just like

    the "difficult" stuff - although, saying that, you really ought to

    find room for a little Wyatt in your life.

    CRITICS' FAVOURITES THAT THE PUBLIC HATES

    1 Captain Beefheart, Trout Mask Replica

    2 The Fall, Hex Enduction Hour

    3 Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, Tender Prey

    4 The Flying Burrito Brothers, The Gilded Palace of Sin

    5 Robert Wyatt, Dondestan

    6 Ron Sexsmith, Other Songs

    7 Lou Reed, Metal Machine Music

    8 Dexy's Midnight Runners, Don't Stand Me Down

    9 Palace Music, Viva Last Blues

    10 Scott Walker, Tilt

    11 Guided by Voices, Bee Thousand

    12 Slint, Spiderland

    13 Aimee Mann, Whatever

    14 Randy Newman, Sail Away

    15 Brendan Benson, Alternative to Love

    16 Cardinal, Cardinal

    17 Van Morrison, Astral Weeks

    18 Love, Forever Changes

    19 Big Star, Radio City

    20 Vic Chesnutt, Is the Actor Happy?

    PUBLIC FAVOURITES THAT THE CRITICS HATE

    1 Meat Loaf, Bat out of Hell

    2 Eagles, Hotel California

    3 Norah Jones, Come Away with Me

    4 James Blunt, Back to Bedlam

    5 Céline Dion, Falling into You

    6 Mariah Carey, Music Box

    7 Shania Twain, Come on Over

    8 Bon Jovi, Slippery When Wet

    9 Billy Joel, Greatest Hits

    10 Cher, Believe

    11 Dido, No Angel

    12 Lionel Richie, Can't Slow Down

    13 Ricky Martin, Ricky Martin

    14 Cranberries, No Need to Argue

    15 Genesis, We Can't Dance

    16 Pearl Jam, Vs

    17 Supertramp, Breakfast in America

    18 Simply Red, Stars

    19 Robbie Williams, Swing When You're Winning

    20 Jeff Wayne, War of the Worlds

    One song jumps off this list and I say Bullshit. It is Hotel California. Nobody in their right mind hates this song. And the guitar work is as good as it gets. It is classic to the extreme. Ill take anyone on on this. Fucking Hotel California. Boss fucking tunes!!!!! Boss!!!!

  2. Carefull with this guy PJ.He's been stalking me around the board with his mad ramblings.

    I might have to get a restraining order.Sheesh. He even wrote me a song.

    Oh Ally

    and you too Babs

    Keep drinking Blue Moon

    In all thy sons command

    With glowing hearts, we see thee rise

    the true beer good but not free

    And stand on guard, Oh Sabres, wee stand on guard for thee

    Blue Moon keep our land

    All fucked up and free

    Oh Ally and Babs we stand on guard for thee

    Oh Ally and Babs we drink Blue Moon for eternity!

    Crack. Here's to you Babs. :P

  3. seems to be alot of that going around in the world :unsure:

    people should realize that other people aren't always serious

    Will admit I had a bit too much Blue Moon ale when I rewrote the canadien anthem.

  4. oh ok sorry for the misunderstanding

    the other guy said something about mad ramblings and I said mad ramblings were ok as long as they didn't start fights

    He should talk about mad ramblings. dont know how long you have been in touch with Mr Babs, but he can be quite a character at times himself. I guess he cant take a joke.

  5. either I'm not understanding you or you're not understanding me. It's a Canada thread, of course people are talking about hockey

    I seriously don't understand your post

    You said its not a hockey game on here. Thought you were insinuating that I shouldnt be talking hockey on here. Oh just forget it.

  6. awwww how sweet

    I kinda like mad ramblings, as long as they don't degenerate into insults and name calling. Even a Canada thread is no place for that type of behaviour(it's not a hockey game in here after all)

    Well Im not the first one to bring up hockey in here. Go back and see that Leafs fans postings.

  7. Carefull with this guy PJ.He's been stalking me around the board with his mad ramblings.

    I might have to get a restraining order.Sheesh. He even wrote me a song.

    Oh Ally

    and you too Babs

    Keep drinking Blue Moon

    In all thy sons command

    With glowing hearts, we see thee rise

    the true beer good but not free

    And stand on guard, Oh Sabres, wee stand on guard for thee

    Blue Moon keep our land

    All fucked up and free

    Oh Ally and Babs we stand on guard for thee

    Oh Ally and Babs we drink Blue Moon for eternity!

    Ah Mr Babs! At least I didnt cut down your anthem like that other guy. And while I have you

    Sabres 5 Flyers 2 :P

  8. The hockey playoffs are coming...

    The hockey playoffs are coming...

    The hockey playoffs are coming...

    LET'S GO FLYERS!!!!! B)

    SABRES 5 FLYERS 2

    KISS THE PLAYOFFS BYE BYE PHILLY FAN!

  9. I'm with you on that one. But with that said, there are people that think Zep sucks. They're wrong, but just sayin'...

    Well guy, at least Joelman sent me my copy of O2. Still waiting for that Stones boot. But now keith has me so pissed I dont know if I really want it. I still love the music. But I am officially off the Keith Richards fan list -but will always love Jagger. Unless he retracts his dumb ass remarks which he never will. Ill always respect him as a songwriter first, but never as a guitarist.

  10. The hockey playoffs are coming...

    The hockey playoffs are coming...

    The hockey playoffs are coming...

    LET'S GO FLYERS!!!!! B)

    YOUR GOING TO GET SPANKED TONIGHT! BEND OVER!!!!!

  11. personally, i dont care for them...

    my prog loyalty lies with King Crimson and it doesnt help that ELP robbed crimson of Greg Lake!!! :angry:

    I love "From the Beginning" and "The Barbarian" is ok... but that's about it...

    on an semi-releated note... the opening in "From the Beginning" sounds like the opening from "Roundabout"

    Well the harmonics type part in fret 12 is about the same. As I play both on guitar. But the true musical great behind ELP is Keith Emerson. He is the best keyboard player in rock and roll history in my opinion. Others that deserve mention Elton John, Billy Joel, Lord, Wakeman, Preston, JPJ, and I dont know their names but the guys from Styx, Manfred Mann, and Allman Bros, Kansas, and sorry but I know Ive missed some other important ones.

  12. dont recall either heres the 75 ticket the meters opened i believe and billy preston played keyboards and sing a couple of his songs

    STONES75BATONROUGE.jpg

    That dumb ass Keith Richards has me so mad that i wish I never created this thread. He is a horses ass. how dare he put down Led Zeppelin or Jagger, the man who made him into a legend instead of an average run of the mill guitar player. If I had his money I would have had 30 face lifts. And took some guitar lessons from Page. Sack of shit that he is. Come back Taylor.

  13. What town is that JAG :D

    Hey Ally. Be honest now. Who will you cheer for tonight. Sabres or Canadiens?? We need this one. GO SABRES!!! Oh yeah, and go Canucks. Hope you fry San Jose next time you play them crooks.

  14. The only thing post Taylor that was great was Some Girls. Really a great album. Rock Action, if you read this, what did you once refer to as better than Get yer Ya Yas out? I assume it must be a boot? Because Im sure nothing in the stores is as good. Of course Hot Rocks is the all time must have if you are into the Stones. Covers everything big in studio except for Some Girls and Cant you Hear me Knockin and a few others like Angie.

    What say you Rock Action?

  15. All I have to say is:

    :hysterical:

    The Stones peaked in the studio in 1971/72, and as a live band in 1973.

    "Ron Wood....but he can't so he won't." Those thin, weedy attempts at solos kill me... :rolleyes:

    The only thing post Taylor that was great was Some Girls. Really a great album. Rock Action, if you read this, what did you once refer to as better than Get yer Ya Yas out? I assume it must be a boot? Because Im sure nothing in the stores is as good. Of course Hot Rocks is the all time must have if you are into the Stones. Covers everything big in studio except for Some Girls and Cant you Hear me Knockin and a few others like Angie.

  16. I love the Dead's version of that. If I had to pick a Dylan favorite today it'd probably be Desolation Row. Tomorrow it may be something else entirely.

    I must tell you that I love his greatest hits album volume II from 1971. Favorite 3 songs along with the one I already mentioned are:

    Ill be Your Baby Tonight

    Maggies Farm

    Its all over now, Baby Blue

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    Found both of these on sale in the bargain books section of Borders over the weekend. The Dylan book (originially released as a companion piece to the No Direction Home documentary) was a very reasonable $10, it normally goes for $45. Will the Circle Be Unbroken: Country Music In America (with a foreward by Willie Nelson) was 6 bucks, it usually goes for $30. I've had my eye on the Dylan book for a while so I was very pleased to find it for such a damn good price.

    Do you know how old Dylan is now? I knew he was in town here a couple of years ago. It was kind of a secret. But Weese (the guy that was fired and there was a thread about his talk radio show) told me he was at the Woodcliffe. The best and fanciest place in town just outside of Rochester NY. Im not sure but he may have had a gig at Darien lake-where Tom Petty will be soon.

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