"Scarlet"...I wish they'd left the thing instrumental, Mick's seventy year old vocals on fourty year old backing tracks is wearing kinda thin for me now. As far as Stones/Page collaborations go, give me "One Hit To The Body" over "Scarlet" any day.

Yeah, like I said, as much as I'm a big a Stones fan as a Zeppelin fan, IMO the Stones really are just too much of an 'acquired taste' for many people to be huge record sellers. As far as making big money off of touring I think Mick was always jealous as hell of Peter Grant's whole 70/30 split or whatever it was- probably thinking, "Shit, I wish I'd come up with that!"😆 And as for the songwriting, well, that's why the Glimmer Twins have fucked so many other real collaborators over over the years, they don't like sharing the bucks. Ron Wood got a total of ten songwriting credits in his 45 year tenure, the last being on Dirty Work, thirty five years ago. If Mick 'n Keith were being completely honest, by my own estimation Mick Taylor should have gotten at least half a dozen or so in addition to "Ventilator Blues": "Sway, "Moonlight Mile", "Winter", "Till The Next Goodbye", "Time Waits For No One"- tracks where I can actually hear Taylor's compositional style there not to mention how he really was an active collaborator with Jagger when Keith was too out of it to show up. MT knew this, it's a large part of why he quit the Stones in such the "fuck you" manner he did (three days before they started recording Black And Blue).

"In The Evening" "Darlene" "Fool In The Rain" "Ozone Baby" "Carouselambra" "All My Love" "Wearing And Tearing"

For 1980 I'd toss the Berlin audience recording in there- the best of the sources sounds pretty damn good.

I still think that's a half decent recording yer brother, if I remember correctly, captured.

Besides, at this point, it's like the old saying- "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."😆 We all know the stories.

Yes- I constantly have to flip a coin over whether June 10th or 11th is my favourite of the MSG '77 shows...I did a June 10 mix using Source 2 as the basis with source 1 filling in the gaps as well, sounds pretty good. The third source is pretty much useless for anything, simply based on how chopped up the tape is and the annoying tapers.

Yeah, the Stones were never huge record sellers compared to some of the other 70's acts. And for some reason even six million US copies sold of Some Girls seems like low numbers- as I recall that fucking album was huge when it came out in '78, it saved the Stones' career for sure. I reckon their mid 70's "Junkie Music" period (as Keith called GHS, IORR and Black And Blue) put together probably sold as many copies as Physical Graffiti did. Or maybe not...

I think the most common June 10 source is the "Artie" recording. The other two June 10 sources seem to have been taped by 'unknowns'. But not one of them got a complete "No Quarter"...

Heh, I grabbed a couple of JGB shows with Nicky Hopkins- 19 December and 17 October '75. Pretty good stuff, bit of a different context than regular Dead.

I agree with every word of this, though, and it only reinforces my belief that they should have stuck with "How Many More Times" in the set in '75 in place of the mothworn "Dazed And Confused".

Goddamn...I remember watching that show back in '89 on Much Music (back when Much Music, like MTV, still relied on MUSIC related content!). If memory serves the current POTUS introduced the Stones that night (they were playing Trump's venue, after all). I wonder if given the current political climate if they'll cut out The Donald's intro...😆

Yep...sadly. I admit I have little interest in solo Garcia but I do want track down a show or two from when he had Nicky Hopkins playing keys with him (1975, I think it was) just because I love Nicky's playing on anything, with anybody (even his cheesy sounding organ work on "Cherry Oh Baby" by the Stones😁) Anyway, sorry for the diversion, gang- we should probably take the Dead talk to the Dead thread, back to yer scheduled "No Quartah" discussion...

Even if he didn't, it would have been nice if somebody had taped the whole June 14th show...if memory serves that's the one without any encores because somebody lobbed a firecracker at the stage during or right after "Stairway". And, yes, we should be thankful for the tapes we have. Doing the little "Freezer Flood" uploading some of his old recordings on Dime and Trader's Den recently has shown me that. He didn't give out everything he taped, far from it, but we should be lucky for what he did deign to give out over the years...bloody fantastic recordings.

Heh, we're opposites in that regard!😅 I wonder whatever happened to the guy who claimed he had the whole "Fourty seven minute" version of D & C from the last L.A. '75 show...😅

If memory serves John Kahn had an opiate jones of his own and he ended up paying the ultimate price for it. OD'd in the mid 90's, I believe. I would imagine Billy Kreutzmann was dosed a time or ten himself😅 Shit, the guy turned on his wife on their first date when she needed some Visine and the only kind of eyedrops Bill had was of the LSD-25 variety...I read that in Bill's book, and thought, "Well, that's one way to make a connection..." My late missus and I did the same thing, but not on our first date... Not gonna lie- back in my acid days (daze?) the last fuckin' thing I would have been inclined to do would be to strap an instrument of some kind and then go out and do a three, four hour gig...now, being in the audience, on the other hand... Garcia was great in interviews. Intelligent, articulate, funny, and -most of all- modest. I'm not a huge Deadhead or anything but even I felt the loss when Garcia passed. It was the end of an era for sure.

On the rare occasions I actually listen to an epic "Dazed And Confused" these days as soon as I hear the bowed guitar I'm fast forwarding😆. Then, after the final verse, with most of the '75 versions, I find myself fast forwarding again through the long jam at the end. That said, I love the epic lead ins Jimmy does prior to the "San Fran"/"Woodstock" sections on some of those later '75 shows. That whole bit, including "San Fran" is probably my favourite part of the entire piece. I like it when they do "Woodstock" more just because I think "Woodstock" is a better song than "San Fran"...

Yes, therefore the Pontiac "No Quarter" should have been at least thirty minutes😆. They play a really different Boogie Jam at that show, too, a variation I don't believe they played at any other '77 gig we know of.

Yeah, you got the "Spiked" quote right, I had it ass backwards😆. I remember on that Vancouver '73 where Percy ends up trippin' balls he doesn't sound that out of it or anything, but he does say "Oh dear, I'm tired..." at one point. What a pro, he did stick it out for about two thirds of the show. At least Jimmy didn't pull up somebody from the audience to pinch hit like Pete Townshend did when Keith Moon OD'd on PCP at the Cow Palace a few months later... No, nothing cool about it. I did my share of psychedelics (still eat the odd mushroom now and then, but not in the last couple of years) and there are limits. The Dead went over the limits for sure, but what do you expect when yer fucking sound guy is the goddamn chemist. Owsley, aka "Kid Charlemagne"😆 Those dudes really seemed to glorify and romanticize all that bad craziness. Amazing none of them never ended going full Syd Barrett or something like that. Long list of casualties just the same though, as there always is... I was listening to the Allman Brothers Cow Palace New Years Eve '73 show a couple weeks back- the show where Garcia and Kruetzmann sat in for the second half, everything in sight was dosed, Gregg Allman packs it in halfway through as does Jaimoe, which is why Billy sits in drums. The performance is...out there, to say the least😆 Epic "Mountain Jam". We talk about some of these Zeppelin shows where Page is so out of it he's drooling down the front of his White Dragon suit, Zep certainly weren't the only ones to go out and perform in front of 20000 people completely off their fuckin' heads. Some nights it worked, some nights it didn't.

See, the third source where the guy sets himself on fire during "No Quarter" is the one I thought was Artie and his bunch. I listened to that recording once and into the bin it went. The second source for June 10 is incomplete as well but it's nice, closer to the stage than the main source. That main source- I'm pretty sure those same guys did the main source for June 13 as well. Maybe it is Artie, I'm not 100% certain. As an aside, and I've said this before, but that's a damn good "No Quarter" they played on June 10 and not one of those tapers got it complete. The main source is most complete at 27 minutes but nevertheless has the cut near the end of JPJ's solo missing the transition into the Boogie Jam. Infuriating, for a "No Quarter" fanatic😆 Now, that's Artie and his guys smoking that girl up during "No Quarter" on June 7th. I always thought it was hilarious that when they patched the soundboard recording's cut in that section they used Artie's tape instead of the superior "Rawhide" source probably just for all the pot talk😆 As I recall, though, once the chick's high she gets impatient and starts yelling "Come on!" every three seconds or so...

What did Plant say in Seattle in '77? "Vancouver's a great place to play, but a lousy place to get spiked," which is what happened to him in Van in 73. Still a good, if shortened show. That said, dosing somebody is one of the lowest things you can do to someone, even if they like acid...

In The Concert File Peter Grant talks about how some Russian Ambassadors attended one of the Landover '77 shows and Jonesy saw fit to toss some Rachmaninoff and whatnot into the piano solo on the night...damned if I can suss out which show it is, though (not that I listen to the Landover gigs much, outside of May 30 they're pretty mediocre gigs IMO) Coulda been worse- could have been Keith Emerson performing his whole goddamn "Piano Concerto" with a fucking orchestra behind him, nearly bankrupting the band in about twelve gigs😁...now THAT is self indulgent. For me, there's only a couple of '77 gigs where I think JPJ went on a little long (Pontiac, which has a really long piano solo at the expense of a shorter guitar solo, and the last L.A. Forum show). For all of Zeppelin's wankery onstage, I don't think they quite reached ELP levels (as cool as some ELP's stuff is, mind)...some of that '77 Works tour stuff really is over the top.

Except that "For What It's Worth" doesn't work as well against the music as "San Francisco" or "Woodstock" did IMO. Yet I somehow feel Stephen Stills would have approved...😁 I want to say the switch from "San Fran" to "Woodstock" -somebody correct me if I'm wrong- began with the second leg of the '75 US tour, though they did still do "San Fran" on occasion (like alternating them at the Earls Court shows). Mind ya, they barely played "D & C" during the first leg... And, lest we forget, people, the riffing in the "San Francisco" section begat "Achilles Last Stand".

In my not so humble opinion, Chris Squire WAS Yes. Seems to me it was his band, pretty much, same as Genesis is Tony Banks' band. The conscience of the group, if you will. I love 70's Yes, even if they did have a tendency to disappear up their own backsides on occasion (Tales From Topographic Oceans? Which I think is a fucking great album, by the way...), Not, mind ya, that they were the only band guilty of that kinda thing in that era😆

I have to wonder if this "Last Domino?" tour is even gonna happen now...it may sound terrible, but with Phil's health issues, will Collins even be around to do these now rescheduled gigs? I read his book, given what he put himself through these last few years with the booze etc I'm surprised Phil Collins is still with us at all at this point. It's a sad, shocking story for sure. That said, Steve Hackett's planned Seconds Out tour next year sounds more appealing to me than this weakened version of Genesis hitting the road. What can I say? I love Genesis, and I don't want to see Phil Collins not drumming, sitting in a chair, either in pain or highly medicated, singing slowed down, detuned versions of the old classics. 2007 was bad enough IMO.