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  1. Chemistry is what Page, Plant, Bonzo & Jones had, like The Beatles before them and The Police after them. Disturb the chemistry by removing an element and replacing it with another is something else entirely. Fair warning: two other teeth-gnashing comments that stick in curmudgeonly Dirigible's craw and will draw fire are: 1. Referring to Page, Plant, Jones & Jason Bonham as Led Zeppelin. If the four tour they should drop the Led and just call it Zeppelin; it wouldn't cost them a single ducat. 2. Or worse, referring to the P&P lineups as you-know-what. That's an heret
  2. I don't mean to keep butting heads with you, greenman, because you make so much sense about certain elements of the 1977 tour. As I stated earlier I won't argue with you however you posted another statement I so vehemently disagree with that I'm grinding my bloody teeth. To quote Communication Breakdown, 'it drives me INSAAAAAANE!' So here goes......... The P&P tours were fun maybe even great, but I have to contrast them with true Zep performances to which they do not compare. The shows with the orchestra and the shows without it when P&P went on the road as a quartet were enj
  3. Page got hit on the hand with an M80 (firecracker) at one 1977 gig and the band had to stop the show for a few minutes. CREEM published a photo of a bunch of people gathered around Jim looking at his hand. Dodging frisbees onstage is one thing, but glass bottles and fireworks is another altogether. BANG!! Bet that straightened Pagey right up!
  4. I noticed that's a mirror, too. How stupidly dangerous to mount one high above a stage, Bonzo could've died before his time. But, Sibh23, I'm going to have to say no, nay, nein, nyet, nofuckinway about VHS recorders (not to be confused as the same thing as a video camera by the way). In 1977, that was HIGHLY unlikely. People may smuggle video cameras into concerts nowadays, but not 30 years ago. VHS players for the home were expensive as hell even in 1980, but video cameras were only prototypes in 1977, few people outside the television and movie industry even knew they existed. Bob C
  5. Nicely said, Sibh, a razor sharp perception of the times and the fans. In 1977 the band had achieved living legend status, in 1973 they were just another one of a hundred touring acts you could go see every year. Peter Grant's very canny move to take the band off the road after 1973 for two years at a whack helped create that legendary status. Fans became starved for them and couldn't see them whenever they wanted like they could any other band. While I'm on that point I remember Plant saying at the end of the 1977 show I saw, "See you in two years." In addition to that when John Bonham
  6. Different restrictions apply at various venues. At Madison Square Garden in 1973 the band was allowed to use pyrotechnics like flashpots and fire on Bonzo's gong stand, but the fire codes in certain cities prevented them from using them in every show. Stage sizes differ too and that may be the reason in some shows Bonzo's drum riser moved to centerstage in 1977, and others it did not.
  7. Nick, the 5-31-73 and 7-17-73 soundboards have lots of audience noise, yet on the 5-18-73 soundboard the crowd noise is distant. The '75 and '77 tour bootlegs seem to have a lack of audience leakage too, guess the soundmen got consistently better at mike placement perhaps because the band was giving more consideration for a future live album and wanted clean tapes to work with. Only a theory.
  8. I'll not quibble with you, greenman, but that's not to say I agree with you 100%, I just won't argue. I'll grant you 'some' tape recordings may not lie insofar as notes played (a dodgy subject addressed in the third paragraph of post #6 that must be part of the equation becauses it leads many to the incorrect conclusion regarding bootlegs) but 'some' distort the true aural experience to a huge degree. This is a direct corollary to fans with cheap recorders and how tape recordings replay soundwise. Yet don't you have four more senses besides your hearing? I hope so. <A friend of mine wa
  9. FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT..... Good one, moffo, you ol' rabble rouser. Better to have mud than blood on one's hands.
  10. As someone who has seen the band live, ally, you know well the difference between being there and listening to a bootleg. Thanks for your insights, I apologize for omitting your comments from my prior post, I meant to remark on them. Ocean: you posted while I was writing, so I'm editing this to say I'm pretty dadgum green with envy. What a memory. The Landover soundboard of May 26, 1977 is my favorite soundboard of the tour, shoulder to shoulder with St. Millard's audience recordings. As far as bootlegs go, those sound better than the Houston soundboard of the concert I saw. Similar ti
  11. When I posted late last night before going to bed I thought I'd wake up to find myself crucified with indignant comments regarding this topic. Everyone's been very civilized however (so far) so hopefully some truly informed exchanges of opinion and dialogue will prevail, without pettiness or namecalling. But a little mudslinging is always fun to read, like two kids fighting on a playground will always attract onlookers. To the contrary there's nothing I like better than a decent bootleg, but I know that's not what you're saying, greenman. Rest assured I've no intention of pretending
  12. Some, not all, of those among us who never saw Led Zeppelin in concert are habitually slagging this tour and that show judging either solely from bootlegs, or the questionable opinions of writers of books/magazine articles, or both. This is about the 1977 tour in particular. If you have something to say about any other tours please feel welcome to post it in this thread if it pertains to the point I'm attempting to make. Fact: Our Ledded ones NEVER did a half-assed tour. Fact: The 1977 shows kicked ass. Period, fini, game over. Question: Is there anyone reading who saw the band per
  13. More or less the first concert I ever saw with programs and T-shirts for sale was Zeppelin in 1977. Before that tour I recall about the only souvenir one could get from a concert was a ticket stub (and maybe a bootleg). From '78 onward every other touring band in the world learned they could make just as much money from merchandize sold at a concert as from the gate receipts, or at least ALMOST as much money. Led Zep blazed the trail and all the second tier bands followed suit. Maybe when Grant was bitching at the promoter in Madison Square Garden in 1973 about unauthorized merchandize p
  14. I can confirm The Rover is correct, Sibh, about the absence of a video feed big screen on the Houston date at the Summit. Since I sat a quarter of a mile from the band in the back of that barn I distinctly recall the only 'minus' of the show for me was the members of Zeppelin being the size of the fingernail of my pinkie. Had there been a big screen I would've remembered it. I recall how grateful I was someone lent me a pair of binoculars for a couple of songs. The Rover stated he saw BOTH the Houston and Ft. Worth shows; what a lucky guy.
  15. I was burned in the heat of the moment (no!) Though it couldn't have been the heat of the day When I learned how my time had been wasted, And a tear fell as I turned away . . . And me favorite Bonzo vocal: We done four already but now we're steady and then they went . . . Eins, zwei, drei, vier!
  16. Isn't it a shame when cousins marry?
  17. Fortunately I got to see this concert. I sat in the third row from the back in Nosebleed City at the Summit. Even as far away as I was every note was crystal clear and startlingly loud. Starting in '69 I got to see them in concert and each year the band roared into town they kept getting better, and I saw two nights in a row in 1973 and thought they could never touch those magnificent shows. But they did. Don't know what bootleg I have of this but it's a throroughly enjoyable listen. Nothing compares to actually being there but what can I say. Nobody's Fault But Mine and In My Time of
  18. Awshit! I apologize, Mssr. Hartman and am embarrassed by my faux pas. Your gender bender nom de Internette flummoxed me.
  19. The comments on YouTube say it's Vancouver 1970, but those stage outfits are from the summer of 1973. Pretty clean version.
  20. I'm going to assume you're an American because the 'Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman' televison show would go over the heads of a British audience as much as the English soap opera 'Coronation Street' would baffle Americans. Therefore I'm advising you not to get your panties in a wad over this instead of getting your knickers in a twist. I didn't request you to admit you were wrong nor did I ask for you to say I'm right. I tactfully pointed out you were subscribing to untrue information that might well embarrass you at your next cocktail party should you utter such misinformed half-baked dogg
  21. Personally I've listened to more bootleg versions of Evermore more times than I ever listened to the LZ4 version so Jones' vocals sound natural to me by now. Probably a good thing they used Sandy on the record though.
  22. I wasn't disagreeing, Sib. Those confusing run-on sentences of mine are why I flunked English. Seriously, I think Bonham smacking that tambourine AND singing might've created havoc at the mixing desk. Besides, the lad deserved to smoke a cigarette in peace at that point in the show.
  23. Please excuse my adverbs but Bonham purportedly was a fairly good vocalist. The only time I've ever heard his speaking voice was when he was interviewed down under in Oz in February 1972. For such a big dude who'd growl 'we done four already, but now we're steady' he possessed a surprisingly high and (forgive me, Bonzo) girlish voice. He used to sing little ditties all the time and Page concocted Out On The Tiles using one of these (sometimes obscene) sea chanties: We're gonna wear our rubbers and pull some scrubbers cause we're out
  24. Any pedal, stomp box, etc. will connect with any electric guitar. I owned a Tele and a Cry Baby wah wah in the distant past and if memory serves you plug the guitar cord into the pedal input and the wah wah output cable into your amp. Gives you a little 'dirt' in your sound even if you aren't using it. Cry Babies use batteries though. Peace.
  25. Use two headed drums and pay close attention to tweaking the bottom heads. Although nowadays I change my drumheads often I used to leave the black dot and silver dot heads on till they were dead sounding. I'd only change them when they broke.
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