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  1. Let's assume everyone who's met Luis Rey at conventions and concerts have found him conversant in English, or we've got a whole lotta bilinguals up in heah. I never gave a thought to his book having suffered from a bad translation. 'Jimmy scrubbed his strings' and 'got his fingers caught in the strings' and 'Bonzo had the machine gun out' could be mangled translated phrases, but I think not. Considering English is the lingua franca of the global business world, and is likewise recognized as the language of rock & roll, I believe the book was written in English. To add weight to that be
  2. I don't object to the half-hour versions of D&C in 1973, but the song had had every possible drop of improvisation wrung from it though by summer '73. The hybrid version Pagey released on TSRTS album is the pinnacle, every musical path they ever took was fully explored and taken to its logical bombastic conclusion. The forty-minute versions of 1975 are okay, but the added-on portions extending the song beyond half an hour are only noodling and meandering---nothing of substance was added, no meat. When Page announced in 1977 he wasn't dazed and confused anymore, I remember thinking I was
  3. Moi? Thought I might bump into some old friends.
  4. The court is reminded the case being tried '75 vs. '77 is based on the tour merits, and the bootlegs are merely exhibits of evidence. The judge & jury are biased, a foregone conclusion, they're old school rockers one and all, the honourable Richard Cole presiding. Take a peek at the transcripts: COURT: "If the 1975 table does not object, Mr. Dirigible, would you mind playing that version of Nobody's Fault But Mine from June 23rd once again?" COUNSEL FOR 1975: "No objections, your honor, we'd like to hear it again; it kicks fucking ass." COUNSEL FOR 1977: "I'd be delighted, s
  5. If I had to try the case of '75 vs. '77 in a court of law, my defense of 1977 would be simple. I'd let the other side play as many 1975 bootlegs as they deemed necessary, blast back Listen To This, Eddie or Badgeholders, and then rest. "In summation, ladies & gentlemen of the jury, I allege the 1977 tour is fairly littered with magic nights. Whereas 1975 was competent: where are the luminary gigs, the edge of your seat excitement, where's the big ones? Seattle 7-21-75? Nyet! Earl's Court? PUH-leeeze, that was nearly as polite as the '71 BBC Paris Theater show." The jury's out n
  6. If I had any say Mr. Johnny Baldwin would have a Precision fused to his hands.
  7. This is something I debated with myself posting, but finally figured it can't do any harm to mention. I got these concerts on VHS several years ago. They look so unspectacular to watch, but I made a discovery quite by accident. When Pagey breaks a string on Black Dog at Knebworth, I left the room shaking my head. As I listened to the music continue to play without seeing the video image it took on a whole new personality, it started to sound more like the Led Zep I'm familiar with and not as bad as I'd been thinking it was. I'm not saying listening without watching transformed mediocre
  8. You got that right! A streamlined Zep American tour in '80 (read that a compact two-hour set minus bloated warhorses like No Quarter and Moby Dick) I think would have quickly become three-hour forays of excess. Not that that's a bad thing. I always thought Zep's extended instumentals showcased their individual talents live. If concert-goers didn't care for those parts of the presentation may I remind them of long beer and restroom lines. Also I don't wanna sound like I'm slaggin' off Luis Rey. His Final Edition is a reference work I've spent twice as much time with as I have all my othe
  9. What one doesn't see when listening to a '77 show (or any live recording) is the visual impact of timed effects that ocurred onstage: smoke, lights, fire, etc. Page's guitar break with the violin bow/Theremin/EchoPlex antics leading into Achilles has a better light show than anything the Floyd ever did. The laser pyramid routine around Page was awe-inspiring rock theater---regardless if one was straight, stoned, or indifferent. The same effect didn't seen quite as grand during The Firm's tours.
  10. One of the first things Page did was tailor his Zeppelin tunes to 're-play well' in the big boomy rooms the music was performed in. This helped the band deliver the big infrastucture of their music---even if some of the nuances flailed in the wind. Some of the '77 leads sound like chicken-scratchin' compared to leads in '75, especially on the soundboards and I'm not terribly keen on Plant's harmonizer---but Bonzo & Jonesy are stellar, even better than they were in '75. Better set-list too than '75. Believe it or not the acoustic set was a spirited romp and not a lull in the middle of t
  11. Anyone who didn't see Zeppelin at least once in 1977 concert should recuse themselves from debating that tour was below par. They're simply in no position to judge. It's wishful thinking to judge a concert from a recording of it, even a sanctioned official one, unless you were an audience member too. I saw them in Houston in '77 and have a soundboard bootleg of that night. The show was tight and dynamic, the soundboard reveals mistakes that didn't even register inside the Houston Summit. I'm puzzled by those who like the Cleveland, L.A. and Landover bootlegs yet nurse an innate belief
  12. I saw a '77 show and anyone who did will tell you they were great. Page staggerin' around junked out making a few mistakes didn't ruin a damned thing for me, let alone a whole freakin' concert.
  13. I have two 90-minute cassettes claiming to be one of the Tea Party shows. They aren't any better or worse than any other Zep boot circulating from their first American tour. They certainly don't add up to four hours. I have my doubts about four-hour shows to begin with. You only get to ever read about marathons in Boston '69, Nassau '72 and Seattle '75, but you never get to hear them in their entirety. In a lot of cases peoples' fanciful memories are eroded by time, be they the memories of JPJ, or a Rolling Stone writer, or a fan. Luis Rey's Final Edition Live bootleg guide states the
  14. I have both Luis Rey's second and Final Edition bootleg guides and found them informative, but far from flawless. The Final Edition is THE one to have. It's twice as thick, has 222 more pages, better photos, and the latest updated reviews of approximately 240-250 recordings. Like other readers, however, I find some of Luis' observations tiresome. A lot of commentary lacks any authoritative punch and I'll tell you why. One particularly wearying trait is Rey tries to come across like a musician when he clearly is not one. It looks to me like he repeats things musicians have said to h
  15. Calling all hellhounds: I re-listened to HOTH and HTWWW and all my bootleg Oceans and every one sounds like 'hell high Hellas ball' to me. Hydro helped my balls . . .
  16. Page painted that? I'll be damned.
  17. Thanks, Nick, I didn't want to mention that and appear to have sour grapes. There is no orchestra credited on my vinyl edition of Physical Graffiti. The only book I see anything about it is from the equally unreliable "Stories Behind Every Song" series: Chris Welch's DAZED AND CONFUSED. Welch is typically a good scribe, if he needs technical detail he's not above bringing a real musician in for the job, i.e. Geoff Nicholls for THUNDER OF DRUMS. In the 'story behind Kashmir' he alludes to an orchestra being used in the studio to give Jones' parts some oomph. (Not that it makes any differen
  18. Fun quiz, thanks for posting it. 3. When your conscience hits you knock it back with pills (is a lyric from Living Loving Maid, I didn't want to repeat it because Jimmy'sALegend already answered it correctly.) 4. I always thought JPJ was the orchestra. What sessionmen played on Kashmir?
  19. 1. Driving To Kashmir 2. The Boy Next Door 3. When your conscience hits you knock it back with pills 4. False 5. Gallow's Pole 6. On Jenning's Farm (Bron-Yr-Aur is Welsh for Golden Breast.) 7. Originally 25 mics on the drums alone for Levee, but re-recorded with one. Page's penchant for close-miking instruments and using ambient mics throughout the studio for 'distance makes depth' is well documented. The answer could be almost any electric Zeppelin tune. 8. Misty Mt. Hop 9. All of them, they only took acoustic guitars 10. The Ocean
  20. I've seen a poster. It said Led Zeppelin. Maybe one reason the second show didn't sell out is July 23-24, 1979 were a Monday and Tuesday, whereas both Knebworth performances were on Saturday. Traveling on a weekend is no obstacle, but taking off work and traveling during the week might be. If Peter Grant booked the Copenhagen shows a week or two in advance with only word of mouth advertising (and he did that in US in the early 70s) then a rich fan in Oklahoma City or Tokyo or Rio de Janeiro might not know the band was resurfacing for an obscure gig on the continent. For what's it wo
  21. Well, Stargroves Tangie, I thought I had an answer and I do not. Throughout the history of my posting trivia questions I never asked a single thing I couldn't go back to a magazine or book to quote as a source. This is the one time I did NOT and it's nobody's fault but mine, not our panel of judges, just me. I apologize for disappointing you (and any other interested parties). The story behind the question is interesting though. When Zeppelin played the Falkoner Theatreat in Denmark on July 23-24, 1979 I was under the impression they billed themselves as The Melancholy Danish Pageb
  22. The NYC hotel I referred to was the Drake. LZ definitely didn't have a good time there if they got ripped off for $300,000 (or 100 large per night x 3 nights at the Garden). It is a confusing sentence now that I read it again, sorry about that. Care to take a stab at question 6 part 3?
  23. Someone's been listening to Presence, a favorite among our judges. Add 50 + 50 meritorious to your scorecard, Stargroves Tangie. Well done.
  24. Everybody's going to be kicking themselves when they realize how obvious it is. Perhaps he took full ownership after Page's dad passed away . . . I dunno, a guess on my part.
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