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On 3/12/2020 at 6:02 PM, SteveAJones said:

I'll tell you something about Wuhan: you can't swing a dead cat there without hitting a Communist Chinese biolab. There just happens to be an open air food market about 20 miles away. In this instance, it was government sanctioned scientific experimentation that led to the genie being let out of the bottle. Then those Communist fuckers lied about it for nearly a month. I tell you what, when the dust settles the so-called world community should insist on imposing sanctions against China that will bring those sons of bitches to their knees. It's disgusting how the fake news media gives them a pass.

Where is your proof? Without proof you are simply talking shit. Hell, you cannot even get their economic / political system correct as there has never, in the history of the world, been a communist society on a large scale...ever. China, like North Korea, Cuba, and the former Soviet Union, are Socialistic Dictatorships. Follow along now, their political system is a dictatorship, and their economic model is socialist. Or rather, in China, it was (exclusively socialist) pre-1972, after that they started moving toward a mixed socialist-capitalist model which they have today. Political system is still dictatorial though. Communist is simply a buzz word as in reality, not only does a true communistic state not exist, but CANNOT exist due to simple human nature and that is per Karl Marx himself. Humans are way, way too selfish to execute a communistic economic system, Marx himself said attempting one would result in a socialistic dictatorship and that is exactly what happened, every time.

You know Steve, for a guy as educated as you you not only jump on conspiracy theories like a dog in heat, but you cannot even grasp simple economic or political systems. How about less emotion and more facts.

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21 hours ago, SteveAJones said:

The purpose of the arrow is to illustrate where the Communist Chinese government claims the virus originated from. So don't flatter yourself on the intellectual horsepower you bring to this argument or any other. Get off lawn I don't have? Right. Get back to me when YOU hold a Bachelor of Science in Management Information Systems AND an MBA, earn a six figure income and actually live in the region of the world you are pretending to know so well at this moment. I couldn't care less what your political stance is, we can agree to disagree, but it's the vapidity of your views that annoys me -- a Vox link and "probably". You're so bright.

Talk about irony Steve! You have, and rightfully so, lambasted me on this very site for doing the same thing. The old Appeal to Authority logical fallacy.

Again...actual proof please.

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5 hours ago, PeaceFrogYum said:

there has never, in the history of the world, been a communist society on a large scale...ever. China, like North Korea, Cuba, and the former Soviet Union, are Socialistic Dictatorships. 

You just jumped the shark. You've made some outlandishly stupid posts here before but that one takes the cake. I'm truly astonished.

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5 hours ago, PeaceFrogYum said:

Talk about irony Steve! You have, and rightfully so, lambasted me on this very site for doing the same thing. The old Appeal to Authority logical fallacy.

Again...actual proof please.

It's not an appeal to authority nor a logical fallacy in the slightest as it was said strictly within the context of rebutting that half-wit's ridiculous notion that I'm saying get off lawn I don't have, or to put it differently that I have no skin in the game. You on the other hand cite credentials as proof that your Citizen of the World viewpoints should be taken seriously, if not accepted at face value as fact.  

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57 minutes ago, Kiwi_Zep_Fan87 said:

Got to love the spirit of the human race at times like these! :wub: 

 

 

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Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, SteveAJones said:

 

 

It depends on how you look at it. I posted something uplifting. 

Edited by Kiwi_Zep_Fan87

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28 minutes ago, Kiwi_Zep_Fan87 said:

It depends on how you look at it. I posted something uplifting. 

I think I was trying to suggest something about the duality of man. The Jungian thing.

 

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On 3/13/2020 at 9:05 PM, SteveAJones said:

There IS a Level 4 biolab in Wuhan. Beyond that, in reference to SARS, you are making my point for me. China has a well-established history of undertaking dangerous bio weapon development.

 

I'm not convinced that is how it happened. I'm not saying that isn't how could have happened. If it did happen as a bio lab accident, could be possible. But still it is a well known reality that zoonotic infections have occurred before bio warfare technology, so I still think that remains the simplest answer.

HOWEVER, I also suspect that now this virus is out of the bag, that it may easily be something which a regime like North Korea or Iran just might be interested in.  China has much more to lose than a few other rouge regimes have. Iran is trying to get nuclear weapons in order to "leverage" their political goals. North Korea has been successful partially in that regard; North Korea gets waaaaay more attention from other world powers than it should.  So WHAT IF a regime used this virus to deliberately infect another nation in the future?   I think this could be a real worry. Nations or terrorist organizations which could see this as a tool. 

Bio warfare is a real thing. The U.S.A, claims we discontinued our warfare program during the Nixon administration and we only have a bio "defense" program now.  I don't like even that language. Sometimes Genies do get out of bottles.  I just don't for the life of me see the upside for China in this virus when their economy was already slowing down.

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6 minutes ago, kipper said:

I just don't for the life of me see the upside for China in this virus when their economy was already slowing down.

Once again, I have said from day one it was almost certainly an inadvertent release. However, now that it is out the biggest upside for Communist China is an end to the protests in Hong Kong. Additionally, they'll make money hand over fist as the world's #1 supplier of pharmaceuticals and medical devices.

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4 minutes ago, SteveAJones said:

Once again, I have said from day one it was almost certainly an inadvertent release. However, now that it is out the biggest upside for Communist China is an end to the protests in Hong Kong. Additionally, they'll make money hand over fist as the world's #1 supplier of pharmaceuticals and medical devices.

I just responded to the inadvertent thing in the other thread.  It could be that, and that being said it certainly is one of the other--- inadvertent or intentional.

I have never believed the Hong Kong protests have any chance for too much success. They are more of an annoyance to the Chinese government; no chance for a revolution there which can turn back the hands of time. When the U.K. agreed to leave Hong Kong that province's fate was sealed. Nobody will go to war with China to free Hong Kong... or Taiwan either if it came down to that.

About China being the biggest supplier of not only pharmaceuticals but almost everything else--- that clearly needs to change and maybe now we will wake up and make that change. In terms of cheaper labor I have always advocated that if these factories were in Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and a few other places in the Western Hemisphere it would be much better for us and those nations. So instead of poor people being sucked into working in the drug cartels, or looking to leave and come to the USA, Canada, or other nations. Having good jobs and a better economy in those nations is far better than giving that role to China.  So what if I pay 25 cents more for a product manufactured or assembled in Mexico than in China. Chances are the price will be the same anyway; maybe just 25 cent less for Walmart or the company who has stuff sourced in China over other nations.

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3 hours ago, kipper said:

I have always advocated that if these factories were in Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras and a few other places in the Western Hemisphere it would be much better for us and those nations. 

Not to be blunt, but Mexico, Guatemala and Honduras are all third world shit holes. Mexico does provide about 70% of all the pharmaceuticals for the other South American countries,  but that overall market share is rather small. We won't see any of these countries become global pharmaceutical suppliers in our lifetimes.

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1 hour ago, SteveAJones said:

Not to be blunt, but Mexico, Guatemala and Honduras are all third world shit holes. Mexico does provide about 70% of all the pharmaceuticals for the other South American countries,  but that overall market share is rather small. We won't see any of these countries become global pharmaceutical suppliers in our lifetimes.

My point remains the we need better options than China given China could easily hurt us at will.  Mexico and Central America are 3rd world and have many problems, but the incentive would be that it would be work for their people and a boost to their economies. Plus an alternative from so many of them wanting to come to the U.S. for work.  Having stable nations South of our border is in our interest. And if it came down to "leaning on" a country down there... well, a lot easier than trying to lean on China.

Actually a lot of stuff is manufactured in Mexico (or assembled). But there used to be more until China's government actively undercut  labor costs by devaluing their currency and then many manufacturing operations which were already off shore just moved over to China.

I would prefer those jobs move back to the U.S.A. Steve. But business hates uncertainty, and call for mandatory minimum wage increases and other costs scares businesses from coming back the America with manufacturing--- especially low skilled work.    Americans are addicted to cheap Chinese goods.

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If the behaviour of people this past week has proved one thing it is that even if aliens and UFOs existed there is no way the government could tell us for fear of creating outright panic.

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Chicom projection?  Now the Chinese government is blaming the US, saying the virus was created in a US army research lab. So why did they keep it secret from the rest of the world for 2 months?  The Chicoms must be feeling heat from their own people and trying to deflect blame through their media propaganda machine.  How can you even trust a government that harvests organs from political prisoners held in concentration camps..

 

Edited by cryingbluerain

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On 3/14/2020 at 3:46 PM, SteveAJones said:

You just jumped the shark. You've made some outlandishly stupid posts here before but that one takes the cake. I'm truly astonished.

So the truth is now stupidity?

 

Go ahead, name one, just one country that was communist according to the definition or Marxist Communism. Come on, just one.

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On 3/14/2020 at 3:51 PM, SteveAJones said:

It's not an appeal to authority nor a logical fallacy in the slightest as it was said strictly within the context of rebutting that half-wit's ridiculous notion that I'm saying get off lawn I don't have, or to put it differently that I have no skin in the game. You on the other hand cite credentials as proof that your Citizen of the World viewpoints should be taken seriously, if not accepted at face value as fact.  

Of curse, and the sky is pink as well. Talk  about a half-wit.

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 China, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, and North Korea are all called a communist state.  The State Is Mother The State is Father.

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2 hours ago, PeaceFrogYum said:

So the truth is now stupidity? Go ahead, name one, just one country that was communist according to the definition or Marxist Communism. Come on, just one.

And there it is...here come the caveats! Now it's "According to the definition of..." You've gone full Snot Nose Johnny, where you'll just keep splitting hairs until you feel you can exclaim "I told you so!" Just stop.

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14 hours ago, Strider said:

If the behaviour of people this past week has proved one thing it is that even if aliens and UFOs existed there is no way the government could tell us for fear of creating outright panic.

 

TIP:  Find a local restaurant that makes soups or stews from scratch with fresh ingredients because they will freeze very well for later meals.

Restaurants have wholesale suppliers with plenty of supply chain ability, especially now with lots of people not going out to eat. Smart restaurant owners will decide on a limited menu of stable foods and then make take out fast and easy.

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...after going to the grocery store this past weekend, I have lost all faith in humanity.

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