reswati Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I still wonder why people consider Zep to be Satinistic Look for instance at this guys: (Far more Satinistic, even played the right way around.....it's a SIGN dammit) And of course this Satinic Witch....please call the Churchfashionpolice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCDTBGbNvXs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 This is going to be a long and meaningful debate.....possibly the best we ever had here. (takes some more wine) (cheers everybody) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyPageZoSo56 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I still wonder why people consider Zep to be Satinistic Look for instance at this guys: (Far more Satinistic, even played the right way around.....it's a SIGN dammit) And of course this Satinic Witch....please call the Churchfashionpolice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCDTBGbNvXs Listen to Houses of the Holy. Lots of die-hard Christians get pissed about it. I wear Led Zeppelin shirts all the time and peopl still come up to me and try to get me to listen to them but I shut them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Listen to House of the Holy. Why? Do they give wardrobe advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Why? Do they give wardrobe advice? :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyPageZoSo56 Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Why? Do they give wardrobe advice? I meant Houses. my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knebby Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Sorry but I still don't get why you're telling us to listen to that (album? song?) or what it would have to do with the post you quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MHD Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Et tu BLD? I always prefered velvet. More forgiving. Don't knock it too much, knebs...satin pillowcases are excellent for not ruining your curls overnight! footnote: seems spelling is not BonzoLikeDrumer's forte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 The cover of Houses of the Holy is a classic example of what happened to those who defaulted on their dressmaking bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glicine Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 The cover of Houses of the Holy is a classic example of what happened to those who defaulted on their dressmaking bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonzoLikeDrumer Posted April 23, 2009 Author Share Posted April 23, 2009 Here is an excellent review of stairway by a really amazing person who I guess has listened too many things backwards and made a lot of money with it too. Too bad that he is a bit misinformed from time to time, as far as I know there are no live performances of STH from 1976 and as far as I know Robert wrote the lyrics, and not Jimmy. Anyway, have a good laugh.........(forgive this man for eating too much acid) Excerpt from: Reverse Speech: Voices From The Unconscious If there were a "Top 40" of backmasked songs, "Stairway to Heaven," by Led Zeppelin would have to be at the top of the chart. It has been quoted, misquoted, and dissected for years by religious fundamentalists as being one of the most occultic or satanic songs ever to have been released. I disagree strongly based on my research into the background of this song. According to Stephen Davis, author of the Zeppelin saga, Hammer of the Gods, the controversy began in 1982, when a prominent Baptist used his radio pulpit to preach that "Stairway to Heaven" carried subliminal backward messages. Then, in April 1982, the California State Assembly played a backward tape of the song in a public session. Some members of the committee claimed they heard the words, "I live for Satan." Led Zeppelin were duly denounced as agents of Satan who were luring millions of teenagers into damnation as unwitting disciples of the Antichrist. Eddie Kramer, the producer and engineer who worked on four Led Zeppelin albums, says that these charges are "totally and utterly ridiculous. Why would they want to spend so much studio time doing something so dumb?" "Stairway to Heaven" was written in one afternoon by Jimmy Page, lead guitarist of Led Zeppelin and an Aleister Crowley devotee. The song has been reported to employ a technique of encoded words and double meanings similar to those used in Black Spirituals in which some songs were used as maps and other lyrics served to alert plantation slaves of an impending break for freedom. Until approximately 1985, Page owned and lived in Crowley's former house, "Boleskine," a sprawling farmhouse on the shores of Loch Ness, sometimes called the "Toolhouse" Boleskine was originally purchased in 1900, by Crowley, for almost twice its value, because it met certain requirements of the Books of Sacred Magic of Abra-Melin the Mage. These requirements included windows and a door that opened to the north toward a secluded structure that was to serve as an oratory. It's commonly assumed that a small outbuilding to the far right was the oratory. Crowley stated in his diary that "shadowy shapes" used to escape the oratory and enter the house. It's been reported that during subsequent rituals these "shadowy shapes" were unleashed with dire effects on visitors, staff, and a few hapless visitors from nearby Foyers. According to Davis, Jimmy Page was quoted in Roadrunner magazine discussing further cases of madness and mayhem including the story that Boleskine was once the site of "a church that burned to the ground with the congregation in it." 13 This brief, historical background gives tremendous insights into the profoundly significant metaphors contained in both the forward and reversed lyrics of "Stairway to Heaven." Sung forward, the song is basically a story of a woman who's searching for the meaning of life and the path to heaven. In the forward lyrics she sees signs on the wall but cautions that words can have more than one meaning. The bird that sings from the tree tells of thoughts that are misgiven. The thoughts carry images of "smoke" (perhaps fog) in the trees and the voices of those who stand apparently watching from among the trees. This is apparently the same group that is rewarded for their long-standing with the dawn of a new day and the forest's echo of laughter. There's great significance to the lyrics when they're viewed from the perspective of Reverse Speech. When we consider the complementary nature of the song, it appears to be partially a song of hope for all those who according to the legends once suffered at Boleskine. The lyrics also seem to be a message from the unconscious mind that details its own communicative style. In the process of writing the song the way he did, Jimmy Page unknowingly established the complementary criteria for reversals to occur that speak of their own existence. "Words have two meanings," and "thoughts are misgiven," appear at the start of the song. Note the complementarity with the last reversal on the song. As soon as the song is reversed, it says quite clearly, "Pl-a-a-a-a-a-y backward. Hear words sung." This is not an intentionally backmasked message, but rather a genuine speech reversal. It almost seems as though the unconscious mind is calling out and saying, "Hey, listen to me. I can communicate." The lyrics also form a reversal that says: There was a little tool shed where he made us suffer, sad Satan. Jimmy Page may have unconsciously used the words tool shed to refer to the small outbuilding that was the oratory (Boleskine itself was the Toolhouse). The reported "shadowy figures" may be those who have stood for so long in the smoke, but are promised the dawning of a new day. The last stanza declares not only that there are two paths that can be taken, but also that it is not too late to change roads. This last stanza contains the reversal It's my sweet Satan, the one whose little path would make me sad, whose power is fake. Their are references to "path," "forest," and "hedgerow" all of which are descriptive of the setting of the Boleskine mansion. The word Satan itself may be a metaphor for the suffering and pain that occurred in and around Boleskine. The parallels of these images and the legends that surround Boleskine are compelling. Other reversals that some people have quoted in this song as a basis for their claims, include: "There's no escaping it / I will sing 'cause I live with Satan / They gotta live for Satan." These reversals are so vague and imprecise, however (validity 1-2), that only the very bold would use them as the basis for an argument. Finally, a reversal appears on a live version of the song sung in 1976, that says: Forgive me Lord, forgive me Lord, forgive me Lord. How could this be considered satanic? Who's asking for forgiveness and why? Since when does the nature of Satan, metaphoric or otherwise, include forgiveness? Is the song a stairway to heaven, a stairway to hell, or something totally different? Stephen Davis wrote a description that may be accurate regardless of how you choose to answer these questions. He said: "It expressed an ineffable yearning for spiritual transformation deep in the heart of the generation for which it was intended." Ahhh.... It's starting to come back to me now! I remember reading this before (or about it at least), it is a bit campy and there are some overtones of, "your going to get a spanking if you don't eat your veggies"! Don't know about the history of the Crowley house but it would not surprise me any if it all did happen. That is a church burned down with everyone in it before the house was built, many strange things have happened on this rock we all live on. I only researched the one spot in the song I posted about earlier (it was very time consuming) so I cant say about the rest of it. I believe the Stairway to heaven from 1976 he is talking about is likely from the Song Remains the Same soundtrack, that was out in 1976 but recorded at an earlier time. Kramer could have done some interesting masking in those day's (I've seen him at work first hand) but it would be hard to reproduce it, on the part of the one doing the singing at the time of the recording and on the stage. As most who have seen many of there show's know they didn't always stick to a routine, I don't know this first hand but people I've known who have, (and from the live recordings) tell me so. Bonzolikedrumer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theycallmethehunter Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 "Satin is my leader"... I feel the same way, I love satin clothing, so silky soft.. And when I heard Stairway backwards, I heard something about feeding your fishies.. I need another listen.. I heard a "lawdy mama".."I will eat 4 of it"?? Backwards makes no sense, but the solo still sounds amazing! Lots of "ooohs" "Way in the water" "There's no woman" "Earth, water and soup." "I wish the lord knew his feather" "No winds in the room" "And no winds can do" "People turn to the orphanage" "Hang your christmas reeves" "catch your leaf" Lots of things with wind I hear..hmm "I wish it would snow" My conclusion, backwards Stairway is about Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyPageZoSo56 Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Sorry but I still don't get why you're telling us to listen to that (album? song?) or what it would have to do with the post you quoted. Well, I figured we all know the song but heres the lyrics anyway. Let me take you to the movies. can I take you to the show Let me be yours ever truly. can I make your garden grow From the houses of the holy, we can watch the white doves go From the door comes satans daughter, and it only goes to show. you know. Theres an angel on my shoulder, in my hand a sword of gold Let me wander in your garden. and the seeds of love Ill sow. you know. So the world is spinning faster. are you dizzy when youre stoned Let the music be your master. will you heed the masters call Oh...satan and man. Said there aint no use in crying. cause it will only, only drive you mad Does it hurt to hear them lying? was this the only world you had? oh-oh So let me take you, take you to the movie. can I take you, baby, to the show. Why dont you let me be yours ever truly. can I make your garden grow You know. It talks about Satan which makes die-hard Christians say that Zeppelin is a satanistic band. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zosoman11 Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Well, I figured we all know the song but heres the lyrics anyway. Let me take you to the movies. can I take you to the show Let me be yours ever truly. can I make your garden grow From the houses of the holy, we can watch the white doves go From the door comes satans daughter, and it only goes to show. you know. Theres an angel on my shoulder, in my hand a sword of gold Let me wander in your garden. and the seeds of love Ill sow. you know. So the world is spinning faster. are you dizzy when youre stoned Let the music be your master. will you heed the masters call Oh...satan and man. Said there aint no use in crying. cause it will only, only drive you mad Does it hurt to hear them lying? was this the only world you had? oh-oh So let me take you, take you to the movie. can I take you, baby, to the show. Why dont you let me be yours ever truly. can I make your garden grow You know. It talks about Satan which makes die-hard Christians say that Zeppelin is a satanistic band. I always thought Robert was talking about going out with a psycho chic and still trying to get laid. I've had plenty of Satan's daughters in my day. Their mom's could be even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonzoLikeDrumer Posted April 28, 2009 Author Share Posted April 28, 2009 OK...To the one's who think it's all there in the pudding and the one's who don't think that Led Zeppelin was anything more than a perfect angel of a group. To understand what we are talking about here you must understand the music that was being produced. The satanic rock and roll thing started way before Led Zeppelin! I favor the old 1920's Blues guy's as being the start of it in 20th century modern music, with the "Blue Devils" that many Blues men said would follow them around. Maybe from the deal with the devil they made at the "Cross Road's" on the intersection of Routes 61 and 49 in Mississippi. Or even the "Hell Hound's" that would always be with the fallen angel. No matter what one thinks, it's a good reason to make up thing's about such nonsense and make a bundle selling record's to people who will believe anything or buy anything! I think that this is/was the main reason that all this crap was popular in the rock and roll world! Because, if you can sell a million record's for thousand's of church goer's to burn, it matter's not what they do with the records just that they get bought and the label and all involved make some money. It's a marketing ploy! Wouldn't be the first marketing ploy to hit the world and it won't be the last ether. When I was starting to get into recording and recording gear (in the mid 1980's) I heard something about backwards masking on a song that I liked buy one of my favorite group's, so I went on a quest to see for myself and now that I'm in this forum I wanted to see if anyone else had done so and what they think of it. Look, I don't really care what anyone thinks about who did what or who did who, as I stated before I like the group and have never been let down by any thing they put to magnetic tape! Bonzolikedrumer I spell it this way because I like it that way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robi1138 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 If anyone is interested in a real answer to the OP's question, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 If anyone is interested in a real answer to the OP's question, let me know. sure....please give us a cliche we haven't heard yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robi1138 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 sure....please give us a cliche we haven't heard yet.... Actually I had a real answer but your sarcasm is annoying...so screw it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Actually I had a real answer but your sarcasm is annoying...so screw it. You're welcome! I love myself too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glicine Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 You're welcome! I love myself too! Actually that is a cliche, too, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Actually that is a cliche, too, right? Yup, but my pose while writing this was artistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robi1138 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Yup, but my pose while writing this was artistic. wow...such clever replies...quite the brain trust here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reswati Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 wow...such clever replies...quite the brain trust here After reading one thousand or more discussions bout backmasking and Satanic conspiracy theories one goes to take these discussions a bit less serious than others. Does anybody remember laughter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef free Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 The only message in Stairway To Heaven is "Led Zeppelin is one BAD ASS band!!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robi1138 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 After reading one thousand or more discussions bout backmasking and Satanic conspiracy theories one goes to take these discussions a bit less serious than others. Does anybody remember laughter? fair enough, lol So what I was going to say was that when I was around 13, I got into LZ and read everything I could find on them. Of course the whole Stairway backwards thing came up, so I was curious. I really was hoping it wasn't true so I set about trying to find a way to play it backwards (this was pre-CD and I didn't have a turntable...just cassettes). Anyway, I found that by taking apart the cassette and jury-rigging the spools, I could play the topside of the tape, and hence, it played backwards. It didn't take long to find the section where he seemed to be saying "Here's to my sweet Satan". It wasn't super clear but having the phrase in my head already it wasn't hard to find. Anyway, I was less than thrilled for finding it and tried to figure out why it was there...yes I had too much time on my hands. So I tried a little experiment...I recorded myself saying and singing the incriminating passages from the song, flipping the tape over, and listening to myself backwards. The result was pretty conclusive in my mind then (and still is). The parts I sang (in my best Plant impersonation, of course) sounded like "Here's to my sweet Satan"...I should say it sounded exactly like what Stairway sounded like. When I said the words, it didn't sound like anything. Hence, no backward masking or nonsense like that was used to put those words on there...the lyrics sang in a very specific way and then played backwards was the only time it sounded like "Here's to my sweet Satan". And I say "sounded like" because if I didn't know what to look for, I probably wouldn't have found it. So there are only two possible explanations for this: 1) it is pure coincidence, or 2) Plant had some supernatural knowledge to know these sounds would be made. Since I don't believe in ghosts, the supernatural, black magic or any other bullshit like that, the first explanation is the only possible one as far as I'm concerned. It was pure coincidence. Anyway, that's my nerdy 2 cents on the topic....hopefully I'm not just repeating previous info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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