What if Physical Graffiti Wasn't A Double Album?

[MightyZep]

computer glitch

Edited May 22, 2009 by MightyZep

[MightyZep]

I guess I used the incorrect verbiage. Reducing Physical Graffiti from 15 tracks to 8 is a daunting task that few mortals are willing to undertake.

OH lol Yes, it was kinda lengthy ordeal.

[aen27]

Houses of the Holy

In My Time of Dying

Trampled Under Foot

Ten Years Gone

Kashmir

The Wanton Song

Bron-A-Yur

Sick Again

[MightyZep]

No need to get frustrated. I knew what your point was - I was just commenting that I couldn't imagine making the choice to leave any song off. Sorry I didn't explain myself well.

I hear ya. It's all good. I just think of the idea of this as a brain teaser (not really like "brain teaser", just something that makes you think you know) or something. IDK, just wanted to make sure you knew that.

Edited May 22, 2009 by MightyZep

[aen27]

No need to get frustrated. I knew what your point was - I was just commenting that I couldn't imagine making the choice to leave any song off. Sorry I didn't explain myself well.

I hated having to do that! I made me even happier they are all there. I love this album. I was frusterated too. It was so hard to pick.

Edited May 22, 2009 by aen27

[leding lady]

Custard Pie

In My Time of Dying

Houses of the Holy

Trampled Under Foot

In the Light

Bron-Yr-Aur

Ten Years Gone

The Wanton Song

And yes I agree, so hard to choose! But kind of fun trying... (ooh, my head)

[barrios]

running order:

night flight

c pie

t underfoot

kashmir

sick again

wanton song

in the light

down by the sea

bron yr aur

however, physical graffiti works very well as it was intended.

[The Rover]

But.... what if PG had to be reduced to a single CD.

What PG tracks would you cram into this mythical 80 minute disc from the tracks origianlly inlcuded on the PG double LP release ? ? ? ?

[leding lady]

But.... what if PG had to be reduced to a single CD.

What PG tracks would you cram into this mythical 80 minute disc from the tracks origianlly inlcuded on the PG double LP release ? ? ? ?

So would that mean that only 1 song would need to be removed? If so, that makes it much easier! (But still difficult!) For me, I'd probably leave out either Down by the Seaside or Sick Again. There are aspects of both songs I like a lot, but not quite as much as I love all the others.

[Stormbringer]

But.... what if PG had to be reduced to a single CD.

What PG tracks would you cram into this mythical 80 minute disc from the tracks origianlly inlcuded on the PG double LP release ? ? ? ?

Boogie w/Stu or Black Country Woman. My least favourite tracks from PG. Although I can understand that for someone these could be like one of the the PG signature songs. They fit into the album and define it as something... like... physical... graffiti.... But for me, if I had to choose to leave one, than it would have to be one of those.

[a clockwork tangerine]

But.... what if PG had to be reduced to a single CD.

What PG tracks would you cram into this mythical 80 minute disc from the tracks origianlly inlcuded on the PG double LP release ? ? ? ?

Well, this makes it a lot easier! I'd get rid of Down by the Seaside. It's my least favorite on PG.

[The Rover]

Well, this makes it a lot easier! I'd get rid of Down by the Seaside. It's my least favorite on PG.

Absolutely disagree with DBTS as a track to leave off ......

I would not touch that track listing from that side of the seocong LP in that set....

I would probably delete "Kashmir".... A Great song Live....

So great.... that the studio version now seems a pale and weak recording, by comparison.

I am serious.

[illestkeith]

I would probably delete "Kashmir".... A Great song Live....

So great.... that the studio version now seems a pale and weak recording, by comparison.

I am serious.

Isn't that true for all their songs?

[a clockwork tangerine]

Absolutely disagree with DBTS as a track to leave off ......

I would not touch that track listing from that side of the seocong LP in that set....

I would probably delete "Kashmir".... A Great song Live....

So great.... that the studio version now seems a pale and weak recording, by comparison.

I am serious.

Well, I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you about Kashmir! I actually really like the studio version because it's one of the rare Zeppelin tracks that uses an orchestra. I don't think the studio version would have been as good if they hadn't have used an orchestra. The orchestra gives it a larger than life sound and adds to the hypnotic effect of the song.

[a clockwork tangerine]

Isn't that true for all their songs?

Ummm.... NO!! I think the album versions of Achilles Last Stand, Battle of Evermore, Babe I'm Gonna Leave You (I could list more, but it's off topic) are better than live versions.

[BonzoLikeDrumer]

As Robert says just before BCW, "Nah leave it".

Is it Jimmy saying "Nah leave it"? To who ever (maybe sound recordists) said "We're rolling Jimmy, on one again?" "On one". It sound's like Robert ether chuckling or coughing.

I may be right or may be wrong I wasn't there.

[ninelives]

Is it Jimmy saying "Nah leave it"? To who ever (maybe sound recordists) said "We're rolling Jimmy, on one again?" "On one". It sound's like Robert ether chuckling or coughing.

I may be right or may be wrong I wasn't there.

I always thought it was Robert who said "nah, leave it". Sounds like Robert at any rate.

[glicine]

I always thought it was Robert who said "nah, leave it". Sounds like Robert at any rate.

I thought Jimmy murmured something in between and then Robert said "nah, leave it".

[ninelives]

I thought Jimmy murmured something in between and then Robert said "nah, leave it".

Someone does say something but I never thought about it being Jimmy though of course that would make sense.

[The Rover]

Well, I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you about Kashmir! I actually really like the studio version because it's one of the rare Zeppelin tracks that uses an orchestra. I don't think the studio version would have been as good if they hadn't have used an orchestra. The orchestra gives it a larger than life sound and adds to the hypnotic effect of the song.

That's News to me.... which Orchestra is credited on the album, bty ? ? ?

The symphonic Kashmir: Symphonic Led Zeppelin version is quite impressive. A fullness that deos remind me of very powerful Led Zeppelin perfomances in 1977.

Edited May 26, 2009 by The Rover

[glicine]

That's News to me.... which Orchestra is credited on the album, bty ? ? ?

I've heard about that a Orchestra worked on Kashmir, too, but was not credited.

[JimmyPageZoSo56]

Well, I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you about Kashmir! I actually really like the studio version because it's one of the rare Zeppelin tracks that uses an orchestra. I don't think the studio version would have been as good if they hadn't have used an orchestra. The orchestra gives it a larger than life sound and adds to the hypnotic effect of the song.

I did not know that. I thought it was JPJ using brass and string patches on his keyboards.

[a clockwork tangerine]

That's News to me.... which Orchestra is credited on the album, bty ? ? ?

The symphonic Kashmir: Symphonic Led Zeppelin version is quite impressive. A fullness that deos remind me of very powerful Led Zeppelin perfomances in 1977.

I knew I remembered reading somewhere about the use of an orchestra for Kashmir, and I found an excerpt from Keith Shadwick's Led Zeppelin book:

"Peter Grant heard an early demo of Kashmir made by Bonham and Page. Years later he recalled: 'It was fantastic. Funny thing is when it was first finished it was decided it was a bit of a dirge. We were in Paris and we played it to Atlantic and we thought it was a dirge, so Richard [Cole] was dispatched to Southall in London to find a Pakistani orchestra. We put the strings on and Jonesy got it all together, and the end result was exactly what was needed. He was a master arranger.' "

Shadwick also mentions the use of strings on Friends:

"The spare, held-note arrangement for a small string section (scored by Jones) is entirely appropriate, emphasising the bittersweet mood of the song and underlying the simple but heartfelt message of the lyrics."

[EddieShouldHaveListened]

I read in Led Zeppelin 1968-1980 that Houses of the Holy was originally going to be a double album but they didnt have enough time to edit all the tracks. the songs included:

Stuff recorded in may-june 72:

TSRTS

Rain Song

OTHAFA

The Crunge

Dancing Days

D'yer mak'er

No Quarter

The Ocean

Black Country Woman

Walter's Walk

The Rover

Houses of the Holy

and stuff from 70-71

Poor Tom

Bron-y-aur

Down by the Seaside

Night Flight

Boogie With Stu

and thus Physical Graffiti would look like this:

Custard Pie

In My Time Of Dying

Trampled Underfoot

Kashmir

In The Light

Ten Years Gone

The Wanton Song

Sick Again

Edited May 26, 2009 by EddieShouldHaveListened

[Matt Harris]

I wouldn't change a thing

I totally agree