McSeven Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 I have noticed that Roberts speaking voice and singing voice are more closer to each other in the past. Is that how it goes. When I hear Rod Stewart/Sting and Stevie Nicks talk and sing. They sing like they talk and vice versa. I wonder how Robert was able to get a high singing voice when he talked in a lower speaking voice when he was in his 20's. as he aged to 30 his singing voice and speaking voice were very similar? Does anyone know why certain singers speaking voice and singing voice are similar and why certain singing/speaking voices are not. Mc7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evster2012 Posted June 9, 2009 Share Posted June 9, 2009 Robert can still sing high, it's just not what he's into as he's matured. That said, most singers who wail like Robert did while touring constantly will end up damaging their voices and losing some range. Robert had throat surgery after the 1973 tour. Similar could be said for Freddie Mercury. As for Stevie Nicks, she's always had a deep, husky voice, and believe me she hasn't wailed like she used to onstage during Rhiannon in the 70s for quite a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ms_zeppelin94 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Falsetto. Yep, actually a real term. I think a lot of rock singers used it at some time or another. I don't think that Robert sang in falsetto all the time; If you listen close enough you can tell when he is. I heard that in 69? they did 28 shows in 30 days and he seriously injured his vocal chords - bruised them or something? PS- Steven Tyler also had vocal chord surgery because of years of abuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Levee Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I wonder if Geddy Lee had to have throat surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Robert sang in a very high register, but he rarely used a true falsetto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ms_zeppelin94 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 Robert sang in a very high register, but he rarely used a true falsetto. Yeah, you kinda get my drift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evster2012 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 I wonder if Geddy Lee had to have throat surgery. No, he just wrote lower vocal parts starting around 1980. I saw them a couple of years ago and was stunned he could still hit the high part in Freewill with such authority, but as a whole they've trimmed the real high shit from their sets. They also started tuning their guitars down a whole step for 2112 years ago, so he's looked after himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSeven Posted June 11, 2009 Author Share Posted June 11, 2009 It better for Rush and Zep and other rock bands to tone down their tuning and vocals so that it fits better. I have seen Robert strain his vocals in the past just so he could make it sound right. I wonder if there was a lot of studio trickery involved with the vocals for Zep? I still think that Robert sings like he sound when he talks normally. In other words I know that its him. Ozzy sings like he talks, same with David Lee Roth. Geddy Lee/Rod Stewart/Stevie Nicks. Ann Wilson is the only one that I could compare to Robert, back in his hay day and her normal speaking voice is lower. Now when I think about it. Roberts speaking voice when he was in his 20's sounded lower, than his speaking voice now. Mc7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 It better for Rush and Zep and other rock bands to tone down their tuning and vocals so that it fits better. I have seen Robert strain his vocals in the past just so he could make it sound right. I wonder if there was a lot of studio trickery involved with the vocals for Zep? I still think that Robert sings like he sound when he talks normally. In other words I know that its him. Ozzy sings like he talks, same with David Lee Roth. Geddy Lee/Rod Stewart/Stevie Nicks. Ann Wilson is the only one that I could compare to Robert, back in his hay day and her normal speaking voice is lower. Now when I think about it. Roberts speaking voice when he was in his 20's sounded lower, than his speaking voice now. Mc7 I know what you mean, but he does Americanize his voice quite often when he sings, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vega Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I know what you mean, but he does Americanize his voice quite often when he sings, too. Yes, I can see that, I wonder if he did it most of the time, say, with Led Zeppelin? On the other hand, when listening to him talking and singing one can hear a very distinct "g" instead of palatal "ng", like in "sinG the sonG of Freedom...", etc. It is British, cause I guess I never heard Americans doing this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonzoLikeDrumer Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 Mc7 Wrote I have noticed that Roberts speaking voice and singing voice are more closer to each other in the past. Is that how it goes. When I hear Rod Stewart/Sting and Stevie Nicks talk and sing. They sing like they talk and vice versa. I wonder how Robert was able to get a high singing voice when he talked in a lower speaking voice when he was in his 20's. as he aged to 30 his singing voice and speaking voice were very similar? Does anyone know why certain singers speaking voice and singing voice are similar and why certain singing/speaking voices are not. I think it all depends on the individual, how they grow and so on. I see Robert's voice as a lot smoother in most his solo and collaboration work, almost like he is whispering as he is singing. Evster2012 Wrote Robert can still sing high, it's just not what he's into as he's matured. That said, most singers who wail like Robert did while touring constantly will end up damaging their voices and losing some range. Robert had throat surgery after the 1973 tour. Similar could be said for Freddie Mercury. As for Stevie Nicks, she's always had a deep, husky voice, and believe me she hasn't wailed like she used to onstage during Rhiannon in the 70s for quite a long time. As a singer who has had vocal trouble in the past I can second this, if a singer is going to scream and shout as Robert did in the early day's you really need to take good care of your voice! Gargling with filtered tap water (and a bit of salt if needed) on a daily basis is a necessary thing! If you sing loud enough to keep up with a stack of Marshal, Ampeg amp's and JBL loaded stage monitor's all cranked up to 11 you have to care for your voice! MS Zepplelin Wrote Falsetto. Yep, actually a real term. I think a lot of rock singers used it at some time or another. I don't think that Robert sang in falsetto all the time; If you listen close enough you can tell when he is. I heard that in 69? they did 28 shows in 30 days and he seriously injured his vocal chords - bruised them or something? If you listen to Tangerine on the 3rd album you can find a classic example of Led Zeppelin falsetto, I don't think it was meant to be rank or bad sounding though, that was just the folksy sound they where looking for with that song. I can give many more examples of where falsetto has been used in many musical styles but that wound be off topic. Led Zeppelin didn't use a whole lot of back up singing in there studio song's but you can find some of the other guy's helping in bit's and pieces. Vega Wrote Yes, I can see that, I wonder if he did it most of the time, say, with Led Zeppelin? On the other hand, when listening to him talking and singing one can hear a very distinct "g" instead of palatal "ng", like in "sinG the sonG of Freedom...", etc. It is British, cause I guess I never heard Americans doing this... I think this goes back to the Southern England sound of the Beatles from the earlier 1960's, I think that Robert was from central or northern England though (correct me if I'm wrong). Every one went mad over the way the Beatles sang and talked so it sort-a passed on with this group IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 I think this goes back to the Southern England sound of the Beatles from the earlier 1960's, I think that Robert was from central or northern England though (correct me if I'm wrong). Every one went mad over the way the Beatles sang and talked so it sort-a passed on with this group IMHO. The Beatles were from Liverpool in northwestern England and Robert is from the Midlands, but in any case I don't think there's any influence of the Beatles in his singing. The Americanization I was referring to is the voiced "r," mostly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ms_zeppelin94 Posted June 11, 2009 Share Posted June 11, 2009 The Beatles were from Liverpool in northwestern England and Robert is from the Midlands, but in any case I don't think there's any influence of the Beatles in his singing. The Americanization I was referring to is the voiced "r," mostly. Are we talking about sticking 'r's on the end of stuff? Like "You told your Mammer I'd get ya home..." vs. "Hey Hey Mamma, said the way you move..." Just listen to it, It'll make more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonzoLikeDrumer Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 No, it's not like that at all I was talking about how the (English) group's from the 1960's took America by storm. Thank you from correcting me with Liverpool's location Aqua, I was wrong there. I guess what I was trying to say was how they adopted the Southern Sound's of the 1920's, 1930's and 1940's in America. Sort of a reverse from America's Rock and Roll's of the 1950's that most of the band's in the 1960's where influenced by. Now getting back to the accent of the the music that was making everyone over here (in the states) crazy. The music/singing of the Beatles is not like Led Zeppelin at all but, the English singing style imposed on to the early American Country and City Blues in the way(s) these two band's performed it was something different indeed! It would be like if someone started doing heavy metal with a playing/singing style of a Turkish Harem band, it would be so radically different sounding that some people may just become a heavy fan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted June 12, 2009 Share Posted June 12, 2009 Don't think I quite follow you, to be honest, so I'll bow out of that one! Are we talking about sticking 'r's on the end of stuff? Like "You told your Mammer I'd get ya home..." vs. "Hey Hey Mamma, said the way you move..." Just listen to it, It'll make more sense. No, I meant pronouncing the "r" on the end of words like "lover," "favor," "better," etc. Americans do, most English people don't (although it depends on the region. Midlanders don't). When singing, Robert often does. And there are obviously other differences between American and British accents, such as Americans using the short vowel "a" and the English from many regions (though not a lot of northern regions) using the long "a." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangani Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Damn, Aqua knows her stuff. Did you live here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted June 14, 2009 Share Posted June 14, 2009 Damn, Aqua knows her stuff. Did you live here? Yes--born in Wales, grew up in Kent, uni in Liverpool, back to Kent. Then to Virginia, then Louisiana. Round, round, get around, I get around . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonzoLikeDrumer Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 Yes--born in Wales, grew up in Kent, uni in Liverpool, back to Kent. Then to Virginia, then Louisiana. Round, round, get around, I get around . . . I can feel you there Aqua! I grew up in 5 different city's, can be a bit confusing when your young but you see different people's and places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangani Posted June 16, 2009 Share Posted June 16, 2009 Yes--born in Wales, grew up in Kent, uni in Liverpool, back to Kent. Then to Virginia, then Louisiana. Round, round, get around, I get around . . . Intereseting. I didn't know that. I thought you were a southern belle. Instead you are a Welsh Wanderer. Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theycallmethehunter Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Everyone has a a head voice and a chest voice, and clearly you should be able to hear the differences..I mean I dont talk like how I sing and vice versa, most people dont..Everyone can go higher and lower than their natural speaking voice..duh.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Everyone has a a head voice and a chest voice, and clearly you should be able to hear the differences..I mean I dont talk like how I sing and vice versa, most people dont..Everyone can go higher and lower than their natural speaking voice..duh.. I don't think that was what the original poster was referring to - it's a bit hard to put into words but some people's singing voice does sound similar to their speaking voice, where some there are greater differences. Don't think a duh comment was really necessary IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Yes--born in Wales, grew up in Kent, uni in Liverpool, back to Kent. Then to Virginia, then Louisiana. Round, round, get around, I get around . . . Hi Aqua, Where in Kent? I still holiday in Kent, we pick Apples every year, July to November, best Apples you ever tasted, Cox's, Jonogold, Early Worcesters, Gala, Discovery, Greensleeves, Grenadier, Bramley, Russets, Braeburn, make me mouth water just thinking about them. Regards, Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninelives Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 Hi Aqua, Where in Kent? I still holiday in Kent, we pick Apples every year, July to November, best Apples you ever tasted, Cox's, Jonogold, Early Worcesters, Gala, Discovery, Greensleeves, Grenadier, Bramley, Russets, Braeburn, make me mouth water just thinking about them. Regards, Danny I like Jonogold, Braeburn and Galas though my favorite is Fuji. Sorry Unless there's a correlation between varieties of apples and how Robert sings and speaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 We had a little orchard down the bottom of the garden with Cox's trees, plus plums and damsons. And pears. Yum. Oh, it was in Sittingbourne, Danny. If anybody's heard of it, it's because you went through it on the train on the way to Dover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangani Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Sorry Unless there's a correlation between varieties of apples and how Robert sings and speaks Robert has an 'Adam's apple' doesn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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