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Forgive me for posting this on this particular forum but if there was an "Equipment" forum, I'd post it there, but I'm dying to know...

Can someone tell me the exact model of Fender amp JP is playing through on the No Quarter DVD? I just love the tone of his Ovation Double-Neck going through the Fender amp. Or at least I'm assuming the Ovation was being played through the Fender amp and his Les Paul was playing through the VOX amp. Am I mistaken?

DT

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Fender Tonemaster I believe:

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*edit to add* I don't believe his acoustics (including the Ovation) went through his main amps. Those would be for his various electrics, with some amp switching for different songs.

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I do believe the Fender amps where custom tonemaster amps.

I don't believe however that the ovation was played through it.

Usually acoustics, Ovations included are either played through an acoustic amp, or more commonly in larger venues straight through the P.A. system like vocals or a keyboard.

electric guitar amps do not provide full spectrum audio output like p.a. systems and acoustic amps. (and ironically bass amps)

Acoustic guitars require full spectrum audio to reproduce all the nuance from the acoustic guitar including the strumming of the instrument.

I have an Ovation Balladeer model and have played it through several electric guitar amps as well as straight through a mixer with a rack effects processor (for reverb) and a power amp with studio monitors.

The sound through the mixer was far superior than the sound through the electric amps.

Through the electric guitar amps the acoustic sounded kind of flat and muffled.

Another problem with using tube driven electric guitar amps is that in addition to the gain section of the amp (which can be bypassed to create the clean channel), the power section of the amp which amplifies the sound will also distort when driven at high volumes like would would find at a large concert.

Further more the power tubes used in electric guitar amps are chosen for the ability the break up or distort early ( as compared to traditional usage of a vacuum tube t.v., radio, etc.).

Most electric guitar amps also rely on a final stage of distortion and that is speaker distortion.

The speakers designed for electric guitars, such as those designed by Celestion and others also add to the distorted effect of the electric guitar.

In the early years of rock many pioneering guitarist would purposely damage the guitar speaker to get a more distorted tone. Since then there has been a movement toward creating specialized guitar speakers that attenuate this affect ( in other words there is a difference between a 12in pro audio speaker which tries to faithfully replicate sounds, and a 12in guitar amp speaker which is designed specifically to color sound).

As for the reason on the two amps(vox/fender). An unaltered Vox would be a good choice for a clean sound and with the addition of the build in Tremolo effect was probably used on tracks like Blue Train ( in fact the whole Walking in to Clarksdale Album was tremolo heavy).

The Tonemaster could be used to provide the heavy sound needed for many of the heavier tunes.

In addition in Page's later recording (as a progression of his guitar army) Page began to employ an amp army of sorts. That is instead a over dubbing several guitars playing the same piece of music ( traditional guitar army.) Page took it a step further by taking each guitar and hooking it up to a slew of amps each one isolated from another in the studio and recorded each on a separate track. This can be extended further by using different speaker cabinets for each amp, and then even further by using different microphones.

This is why Page sought out a studio in Nevada to record The Coverdale/Page album because it has a 72 track recoding studio.

In theory one guitar part with various amp, cabinet and microphone choices could easily contain 72 tracks.

And in fact Page stated that he did use all 72 tracks ( it was not stated whether this was for the whole song, of just for the guitar parts.)

So Page could have been using the Vox and the Fender to layer the sound for a desired effect.

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Fender Tonemaster I believe:

tonemaster.jpg

*edit to add* I don't believe his acoustics (including the Ovation) went through his main amps. Those would be for his various electrics, with some amp switching for different songs.

The Fender Tonemasters were originally a recommendation to Jimmy Page from Joe Perry of Aerosmith.

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After some research, it appears the Fender amp used was a "Vibro King".

DT

Where did you get this information? I'm sure I recall an interview (probably Guitar World) from long before the 02 reuinion where they mention his then using Tonemasters. Of course he could have switched in the interim.

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