Revolution?

[NickZepp]

The official numbers say that 45 million people don't have insurance. Take out illegals and people that don't want insurance the number is around 10-20 million.

[SteveAJones]

BTW, "death panels" are not some group of people who will decide when you die or how you die nor are they going to kill Grandma and Grandpa. What it is called is "end-of-life counseling" and what it is meant to do is get older people talking about living wills, DNR orders and other things they need to make clear to their families when the time comes and decisions need to be made. These things are actually quite important and everyone should have a living will. There is nothing wrong with making sure that you know what your family wants done in the event that they are on life support or in a coma or something horrible happens and you need to talk to the doctors about what to do next. There is nothing wrong with end-of-life counseling and fuck Sarah Palin up the ass with a rusty knife blade for convincing stupid, gullible idiots that it's some room full of rogue ninjas killing the elderly and disabled.

Oh yes, this post-Columbine fascination with counselors and counseling. The important tasks identified do not

require federal government intervention. They can be resolved individually, at local or state level. This nothing

more than an excuse to create more federal government jobs.

[Electrophile]

I can't relocate. I have no money to move anywhere, as my savings are completely exhausted. The only family I have outside NC are my aunt and uncle in Wisconsin and they have 3 kids and their grandkids living with them already and my infirmed grandmother in a nursing home in Illinois. So who would I live with since I can't afford rent anywhere? Can't bunk on any friend's couches because all my friends are in the same situation as me, in fact my best friend got laid off yesterday and had to move back in with her parents. I don't have a driver's license, so how do propose I transport myself to wherever these jobs magically are? My broomstick? It's in the shop. I used to have a driver's license in Georgia, but I can't afford insurance, I can't afford a car of my own and my parents can't afford to stick me on their insurance for the car's we have. So I'm shit out of luck as far as that goes.

I have said this once, I have said this a million times - I have submitted my resume to over a 100 different locations in Winston-Salem, Greensboro, High Point and the town I live in and have gotten nothing back. Those are the only places I can work because those are the only places I can get rides to.

So I'd ask you to quit talking out your ass about a situation you know jack shit about, you unfeeling knob.

[longdistancewinner]

I call bullshit. Can you honestly claim to be agressively seeking employment, to include relocation if necessary. The unemployed have got to take what is available or move to where the better jobs are, as Evster has done three times (which is probably twice more than the average).

So if you have little to no many as it is, you'd recommend moving to another town/state (or country if need be) to try your luck there? Obviously having those 'multiple residencies' worldwide has closed your eyes to reality. Some people can't just pack up and leave.

Can I ask, Steve, since you have such an opinion on unemployment, what is your occupation?

[NickZepp]

Even though "we can't afford healthcare", if we do not plan adequately to cover basic costs now, then the costs generated by neglecting health care will cause premiums to rise, and that will make private insurance less accessible to the average person.

Like it or not, if the private sector fails to address the need, the government will eventually step in.

We need to worry about things that more things than healthcare right now. We need to change some things in healthcare but trying to do it the way the democrats want to will break the country.

[Medhb]

BTW, "death panels" are not some group of people who will decide when you die or how you die nor are they going to kill Grandma and Grandpa. What it is called is "end-of-life counseling" and what it is meant to do is get older people talking about living wills, DNR orders and other things they need to make clear to their families when the time comes and decisions need to be made. These things are actually quite important and everyone should have a living will. There is nothing wrong with making sure that you know what your family wants done in the event that they are on life support or in a coma or something horrible happens and you need to talk to the doctors about what to do next. There is nothing wrong with end-of-life counseling and fuck Sarah Palin up the ass with a rusty knife blade for convincing stupid, gullible idiots that it's some room full of rogue ninjas killing the elderly and disabled.

I totally agree with your opinion of end of life counseling. And I have a real distaste for Palin too, and I also realize...I don't want to piss you off when you have a rusty knife!

[Medhb]

We need to worry about things that more things than healthcare right now. We need to change some things in healthcare but trying to do it the way the democrats want to will break the country.

I wouldn't have agreed a year ago but I do now.

[MisterMcLov1n]

BTW, "death panels" are not some group of people who will decide when you die or how you die nor are they going to kill Grandma and Grandpa. What it is called is "end-of-life counseling" and what it is meant to do is get older people talking about living wills, DNR orders and other things they need to make clear to their families when the time comes and decisions need to be made. These things are actually quite important and everyone should have a living will. There is nothing wrong with making sure that you know what your family wants done in the event that they are on life support or in a coma or something horrible happens and you need to talk to the doctors about what to do next. There is nothing wrong with end-of-life counseling and fuck Sarah Palin up the ass with a rusty knife blade for convincing stupid, gullible idiots that it's some room full of rogue ninjas killing the elderly and disabled.

I'd like to be the chairman of that committee.

[Medhb]

Oh yes, this post-Columbine fascination with counselors and counseling. The important tasks identified do not

require federal government intervention. They can be resolved individually, at local or state level. This nothing

more than an excuse to create more federal government jobs.

I don't disagree with that but why can't the republicans just say that? Palins' spin is just a typical Palinism, more trash, ignorance, and lies coming spewing out of her mouth.

[BIGDAN]

U.S. defense spending is at historic lows despite Terrorist Threat; do your homework:

http://www.heritage....-on-terror.aspx

As far as being "The Land of Modern Civilisation", if you say so, but you must also admit there are more able bodied men living on the dole in England than possibly anywhere else on the face of the planet.

Steve, how dare you, i always do my homeworh thank you very much, and i was being facetious and you didnt even know it.

But you could still have a Decent Free Health Care Plan if your Government wanted to, you have the wealth but the greedy ones wont share it will they? Running a country is not about making money, its about spending money where it is needed, wisely. The Millitary, Law and Order, Safety, Education, as well as Healthcare should be a Priority, especially in the most Developed, Prosperous and Democratic Country in the World, if you could do that i would be the first to say that you, America, are "The Land of Modern Civilisation" but not untill then, your a close second mate.

Your last point about there "being more able bodied men living on the dole in England than possibly anywhere else on the face of the planet." i would have to agree with, it is the one thing that we can thank joining Europe for, the Emaciation (waste) of our youth. This is a good site to start looking for data about world unemployment.

http://www.indexmund...?v=74&c=uk&l=en

But looking at this next chart i think i would not agree with you Steve,

http://www.indexmund....aspx?c=xx&v=74

UK 132nd 5.4%, USA 138th 4.6%, when you take in to account the 2 Millionish Polish Workers that have taken over our Building and Farm Work Jobs you might admit that although we are better off than most of Europe, with our youth doing the jobs that the immigrants are doing we could be much better placed, even better than the USA. The 2 Million Polish Immigrant workers account for about 15.6% of our workforce of 31.2 Million, and thats without taking in to account all the other immigrant workers.

And the "Homework" you can do with this next site is truely amazing Steve.

https://www.cia.gov/...world-factbook/

I must admit though, since the 60's England has produced more and more Effeminate Men than i care to imagine, the Working Class has lost its work Ethic, but dont blame them, when a Government makes it monetarily better for a Person to be on the Dole than in work what do you expect?

My wife and her Dad, who's 79 this year, are at this very moment working on a Farm in Kent picking Plums and Apples. They were told that the Farm was NOT Employing any English Pickers this year because they had had their quota of workers, from Eastern Europe, filled, they can openly discriminate against people on racial grounds because if you are English the "Racial Discrimination Laws" dont apply to you, what is this World comming too? After a lot of fuss and her Dad going to see the Farmers, who he had know from birth and he has worked on the farm since childhood, 60+ years, for their Father and Grandfather, they gave him and my wife a job, but no other English Pickers were employed.

You get the picture now why the Youth of this once Great Country wont work, or Cant Work, because they are not given a chance in the first place, i could go on Steve and tell you much more but i dont really have the time needed and i'm sure your not that interested, are you?

Thanks for the Conversation and for letting me get things of my chest Steve, Kind Regards, Danny

[SteveAJones]

Tell the people to pack it up and go, you don't have to ruin their 'home'. I call it unwarranted violence and inciting a riot.

You would. What do you think of this clarion call for billions of dollars of U.S. Big Goverment spending:

Terry Messman, Street Spirit editor, spoke at the Federal Building during the release of "Without Housing." In his voice, you could hear the emotion and righteous anger from the knowledge that countless atrocities have befallen homeless people, that extreme suffering exists, and that senseless deaths have occurred in the homeless community. "'Without Housing' is a massive indictment of the federal government allowing so many homeless people to suffer and grow old and sick on the streets." Messman said.

"I accuse the federal government of re-writing Emma Lazarus' words on the base of the Statue of Liberty: Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses and this government will sentence them to die on the streets way before their time. Until this government invests billions of dollars more a year in housing for the poor, homelessness will increase and deaths will increase."

"It is illegal to be homeless in America," said Lisa Gray-Garcia from Poor News Network. "Poverty is an act of violence. Like thousands of unheard, unseen, very low-income individuals living in poverty, I have been incarcerated for those crimes." She said it is cheaper for the government to build jails than it is to build housing.

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I think it violates the spirit and intent of

The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA, Pub.L. 104-193, 110 Stat. 2105, enacted August 22, 1996) is a United States federal law considered to be a fundamental shift in both the method and goal of federal cash assistance to the poor. The bill was a cornerstone of the Republican Contract With America and was introduced by Rep. E. Clay Shaw, Jr. (R-Florida) who believed welfare was partly responsible for bringing immigrants to the United States.^[1] Bill Clinton signed PRWORA into law on August 22, 1996 under his promise to "end welfare as we know it". PRWORA instituted Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) which became effective July 1, 1997. TANF replaced Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program which had been in effect since 1935 and also supplanted the Job Opportunities and Basic Skills Training (JOBS) program of 1988. The law was heralded as a "reassertion of America's work ethic" by the US Chamber of Commerce, largely in response to the bill's workfare component. Some criticized the bill as a reinstitution of workhouses and believe the new system has been ineffective in getting people out of poverty. TANF was reauthorized in the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005.

[SteveAJones]

But you could still have a Decent Free Health Care Plan if your Government wanted to, you have the wealth but the greedy ones wont share it will they? Running a country is not about making money, its about spending money where it is needed, wisely. The Millitary, Law and Order, Safety, Education, as well as Healthcare should be a Priority, especially in the most Developed, Prosperous and Democratic Country in the World, if you could do that i would be the first to say that you, America, are "The Land of Modern Civilisation" but not untill then, your a close second mate.

I must admit though, since the 60's England has produced more and more Effeminate Men than i care to imagine, the Working Class has lost its work Ethic, but dont blame them, when a Government makes it monetarily better for a Person to be on the Dole than in work what do you expect?

Dan, we can't afford a Big Government Health Care System in the U.S. and despite what the socialist liberals would have you believe the majority of the citizens do not want one. I dare say the global landscape will move

towards privitized medicine as opposed to government-run programs because these countries are going broke

funding entitlements.

Insofar as "The Land of Modern Civilization" I much prefer Germany and Switzerland, but parts of England and parts of the US aren't ruined yet either. Insofar as being effeminate that's always been a part of growing up or being British.

[Electrophile]

I totally agree with your opinion of end of life counseling. And I have a real distaste for Palin too, and I also realize...I don't want to piss you off when you have a rusty knife!

Nah, you have nothing to worry about. I like you. Though we disagree on some things, you at least present those opinions and back them up. Palin just spews wharrgarbl like a broken sprinkler.

[SteveAJones]

Palin just spews wharrgarbl like a broken sprinkler.

NEWSFLASH: Sarah Palin no longer holds public office. (Neither does George Bush).

[Medhb]

You would. What do you think of this clarion call for billions of dollars of U.S. Big Goverment spending:

Terry Messman, Street Spirit editor, spoke at the Federal Building during the release of "Without Housing." In his voice, you could hear the emotion and righteous anger from the knowledge that countless atrocities have befallen homeless people, that extreme suffering exists, and that senseless deaths have occurred in the homeless community. "'Without Housing' is a massive indictment of the federal government allowing so many homeless people to suffer and grow old and sick on the streets." Messman said.

"I accuse the federal government of re-writing Emma Lazarus' words on the base of the Statue of Liberty: Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses and this government will sentence them to die on the streets way before their time. Until this government invests billions of dollars more a year in housing for the poor, homelessness will increase and deaths will increase."

"It is illegal to be homeless in America," said Lisa Gray-Garcia from Poor News Network. "Poverty is an act of violence. Like thousands of unheard, unseen, very low-income individuals living in poverty, I have been incarcerated for those crimes." She said it is cheaper for the government to build jails than it is to build housing.

----------------------------------------------

I think it violates the spirit and intent of

The Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 (PRWORA, Pub.L. 104-193, 110 Stat. 2105, enacted August 22, 1996) is a United States federal law considered to be a fundamental shift in both the method and goal of federal cash assistance to the poor. The bill was a cornerstone of the Republican Contract With America and was introduced by Rep. E. Clay Shaw, Jr. (R-Florida) who believed welfare was partly responsible for bringing immigrants to the United States.^[1] Bill Clinton signed PRWORA into law on August 22, 1996 under his promise to "end welfare as we know it". PRWORA instituted Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) which became effective July 1, 1997. TANF replaced Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program which had been in effect since 1935 and also supplanted the Job Opportunities and Basic Skills Training (JOBS) program of 1988. The law was heralded as a "reassertion of America's work ethic" by the US Chamber of Commerce, largely in response to the bill's workfare component. Some criticized the bill as a reinstitution of workhouses and believe the new system has been ineffective in getting people out of poverty. TANF was reauthorized in the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005.

What is your point?

I think the first paragraph is bullshit since there are tons of vacated houses right now, selling cheap. Unfortunately, since people that HAVE houses are staying put and people who NEED houses are unemployed we have a real disconnect.

I don't think we should build houses for the homeless. They would be favelas, shanties, just causing more issues to deal with so I think you and I agree on this one? I still don't see how this relates to cops ripping up peoples tents!! Destroying their personal property. Taking liberties with their power.

I'd love to hear the answer to the question someone else asked. What is it you do to make your living Steve?

[Electrophile]

I'm sure you think you're somehow informing me of something I don't already know, but I am well aware Palin is no longer a public official. She cut and run for God only knows what reason. Someone should have told her you can't be a "lame duck" when you're still in your first term and you can run again when that one is up.

That does not however, negate the fact that she's still out there spewing wharrgarbl like a broken sprinkler and the "birthers" in the GOP are eating it up like ice cream and then it gets on TV and in the newspapers and on the internet. She's keeping herself in the public spotlight and the GOP are more than content to let her help sink their ship. Which is fine by me. I'd love to see the Republican Party get back to the party of Eisenhower. Maybe then people wouldn't feel forced to vote Democratic when they may not want to because the other option is so far off the fucking rails it's not even close to being a viable option anymore. If Buckley and Goldwater were alive right now, they'd drop dead.

[Medhb]

NEWSFLASH: Sarah Palin no longer holds public office. (Neither does George Bush).

But DUH! She is the apple of the republicans eyes and her words are golden. She doesn't need to be in public office to have her opinions made public. In fact, I'm willing to bet you $1000 the majority of the repbulican party and dems, if they care to, will have the chance to hear more of her words of wisdom - as long as you're willing to fork out the $29.99 price tag she'll have on her book.

[Electrophile]

If Sarah Palin writes a book, the most important decision she'll make concerning it is what color crayon to use.

[longdistancewinner]

What is your point?

I think the first paragraph is bullshit since there are tons of vacated houses right now, selling cheap. Unfortunately, since people that HAVE houses are staying put and people who NEED houses are unemployed we have a real disconnect.

I don't think we should build houses for the homeless. They would be favelas, shanties, just causing more issues to deal with so I think you and I agree on this one? I still don't see how this relates to cops ripping up peoples tents!! Destroying their personal property. Taking liberties with their power.

I'd love to hear the answer to the question someone else asked. What is it you do to make your living Steve?

That would be me and he has yet to reply.

He can spew forth his shit that Electro's bullshitting 'cause she can't find a job, or that Nathan's milking the system for as long as he can because he's in college, but, considering the amount of hours Steve's on this site, I find it hard to believe that there'd be a job in the world that'd be that lenient and allow him to be on here all the time.

[MisterMcLov1n]

Well the answer is pretty obvious. He's Ross Halfin.

[SteveAJones]

What is your point?

I think the first paragraph is bullshit since there are tons of vacated houses right now, selling cheap. Unfortunately, since people that HAVE houses are staying put and people who NEED houses are unemployed we have a real disconnect.

You have made my point more eloquently than I could have imagined myself. There ARE tens of thousands of vacant structures throughout the land, and more will follow if the commercial real estate market collapses, yet

this Anti-American nimrod rails against the government for failing to invest BILLIONS of dollars in construction

of new dwellings. Cities can be recycled too and we have to re-imagine the possibilities of what can be done

at the state level. Federalizing everything is the wrong answer.

[Medhb]

If Sarah Palin writes a book, the most important decision she'll make concerning it is what color crayon to use.

HA!

Well, it's been fun kids. I need to finish the Heroin Diaries before I hit the sack. Need to get up and earn the bacon tomorrow.

Someone PM me if Steve answers the question pertaining to his employment. I'm going to go out on a limb here...since he is so against government spending on public programs I'm guessing.....he wants to keep the money close to his chest..therefore, he works for....

The Government!!!

Sherlock signing off...

[Medhb]

Well the answer is pretty obvious. He's Ross Halfin.

:hysterical:

Damn! You almost caused me a seizure man!

[SteveAJones]

That would be me and he has yet to reply.

He can spew forth his shit that Electro's bullshitting 'cause she can't find a job, or that Nathan's milking the system for as long as he can because he's in college, but, considering the amount of hours Steve's on this site, I find it hard to believe that there'd be a job in the world that'd be that lenient as to allow him to monopolize his time on here.

Your the last person I would engage in a discussion of personal affairs. It took you five posts to accept it is more likely for people to wear jackets in December than in April. How many posts would it take to convince you I am

sufficiently well off, fortunate indeed to have leisure time to indulge my interests? I for one care not to know.

[Medhb]

That would be me and he has yet to reply.

He can spew forth his shit that Electro's bullshitting 'cause she can't find a job, or that Nathan's milking the system for as long as he can because he's in college, but, considering the amount of hours Steve's on this site, I find it hard to believe that there'd be a job in the world that'd be that lenient and allow him to be on here all the time.

Well, I think that settles that then. The Government for sure.