Mary Hartman Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 We should take odds on what changes. IMO this is one of the oldest arguments in politics. Something they can bat about to keep from talking about why all our money is going to more troops to raise poppies and fight the talifucks. Let Afghanistan raise as much opium as they like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 MEMO FROM THE DIRECTOR: As a corporation, we must steadily make a profit every month for our investors to keep their money invested in us. This ain't no Mom 'n' Pop operation. We will do ANYTHING to turn a profit each month/quarter/year. If it means taking YOUR JOB and giving it to someone SOMEWHERE ELSE to work for MUCH LESS THAN WE HAVE TO PAY YOU, we will -- AND DO!! There is NO AMERICA. There are NO BORDERS. We are patriotic only to MONEY. We DON'T GIVE A F--- ABOUT YOUR LOYALTY TO THE COMPANY!! Grow up! Your wages will go DOWN eventually, to keep you competitive with the Third World. It is all just leading up to THE NEW WORLD ORDER. We created a subprime market which crashed retirement accounts and has created the worst economic climate since the Great Depression of the 1930s; "Back to work, Grandpa!!" Oh yeah, one more thing. You will most likely never see all that money you pay for Social Security. As your favorite singer says, "Aw, suck it!" Give us your babies; after they pee into this bottle (attached with memo) we want to implant radio emitting devices just to make sure he/she do not get lost. Actually, it is tracking device to make sure our worker bees are not up to no good (i.e., grabbbing a beer in a tavern after work, buying pot, planning revolutions to overthrow unjust governments). Best of luck to you being relevant to us. And you better take a pay cut. OK. Now, get back to work!! Where's Hunter Thompson when ya need him? Hi Dpat, I like your reasoning and your post, makes a lot of sense to me as i've always thought along those lines anyway. I look at the Economic Climate like this, if we were to try to bring the Third World up to our own levels of Prosperity then we have got to drop our own levels a long way down just too meet them. Still by 2012 it will be all over, according to the Conspiracy Theorists. Regards, Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bong-Man Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Americans are living longer than ever, according to new government statistics. Yes, the greatest nation on Earth is now in 31st place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bong-Man Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Now this is a revolution..... http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSLJ59987220090819 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryingbluerain Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Yes, the greatest nation on Earth The Messi-uh sure thinks so. Guess that's why he's always apologizing for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 You must have missed the post showing U.S. defense spending is at it's lowest level in over 40 years. The only problem with allowing Afghanistan to produce as much opium as they like is they don't sell it there - it ends up on Main Street and the High Street. Hi Steve, The easy way out would be to buy every bit of Opium that Afghanistan can produce, it must be cheaper that going to war there, then add that to the Opium that we get from Greece, Bulgaria and Turkey, and the problem is over. But the real reason that we are in Afghanistan is so we can pacify the country, and then we can build an oil pipeline down through Pakistan to the coast to allow Russian and Central Asian Oil to get to us in the West easier, oh yes mustnt forget, and to stop World Terrorism. "The World is a Toilet, someone please pull the Chain so we can get rid of all this Shit" Regards, Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarlaxle 56 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Testing out the new youtube embedding system... This woman has her political parties wrong, he's supporting a STALINIST policy, jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 MEMO FROM THE DIRECTOR: As a corporation, we must steadily make a profit every month for our investors to keep their money invested in us. This ain't no Mom 'n' Pop operation. We will do ANYTHING to turn a profit each month/quarter/year. If it means taking YOUR JOB and giving it to someone SOMEWHERE ELSE to work for MUCH LESS THAN WE HAVE TO PAY YOU, we will -- AND DO!! There is NO AMERICA. There are NO BORDERS. We are patriotic only to MONEY. We DON'T GIVE A F--- ABOUT YOUR LOYALTY TO THE COMPANY!! Grow up! Your wages will go DOWN eventually, to keep you competitive with the Third World. It is all just leading up to THE NEW WORLD ORDER. We created a subprime market which crashed retirement accounts and has created the worst economic climate since the Great Depression of the 1930s; "Back to work, Grandpa!!" Oh yeah, one more thing. You will most likely never see all that money you pay for Social Security. As your favorite singer says, "Aw, suck it!" Give us your babies; after they pee into this bottle (attached with memo) we want to implant radio emitting devices just to make sure he/she do not get lost. Actually, it is tracking device to make sure our worker bees are not up to no good (i.e., grabbbing a beer in a tavern after work, buying pot, planning revolutions to overthrow unjust governments). Best of luck to you being relevant to us. And you better take a pay cut. OK. Now, get back to work!! Where's Hunter Thompson when ya need him? But can he drive a forklift? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evster2012 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 But can he drive a forklift? It would seem some forum members are free to aggravate as they please. You complain about it, then go back and take a nice sarcastic shot back at something I said days ago. So why is it you don't go by Honey here? Afraid they'll remember you and ban you again? Stop quoting me Honey. It's aggravating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Hartman Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 The Afghanistan Oil Pipeline is A reason but not THE reason, as most western governments and oil companies prefer an export route from the Caspian Sea to Azerbaijan and Georgia and on to the Black Sea over the one through Afghanistan. Bypassing Russia and Iran breaks their collective monopoly on regional energy supplies. The Taliban forbade the production of Opium, which skyrocketed once they were overthrown. It's going to be a long road. Boils down to whatever it takes to sell the fucking military machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I did not know that the word "forklift" held a copyright. Amazing what a person can learn here. I see my ignore feature still works beautifully when I need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evster2012 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I did not know that the word "forklift" held a copyright. Amazing what a person can learn here. I see my ignore feature still works beautifully when I need it. Oh come on! You know you were taking a dig at my post! I'm not censoring you. I'm just saying fair is fair. You don't want to be bothered, don't bother me. Cause you know that was your intention. You could have said welder. No "forklift driver" came straight from my post. Then you whine about being quoted. Road goes both ways Honey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I still don't see how this relates to cops ripping up peoples tents!! Destroying their personal property. Taking liberties with their power. I am just grateful that no one has yet quoted Marie Antoinette and suggested that we let them eat cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZPN Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I would gladly be a so-called 'socialist' a million times over if it meant never being as callous as you are. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babs Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 I wouldn't let Steve get to you too much. After all, he's just a precocious 13 year old struggling with puberty and dealing with 'rock tits'.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZPN Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 You don't understand. Only a bleeding heart liberal would sweat what is on average one person per state per day in a country with population of over 300 million. It reminds me of something your Messiah said in Berlin last year about the U.S. - "We're not perfect". Of course there can be no perfect system or perfect nation, but only a bleeding heart liberal would exhaust other people's tax dollars attempting to attain perfection, as is clearly the case here. My MESSIAH? Jesus Christ! Yes I voted for Obama, reluctantly. I voted for Nader in 2000 & 2oo4, but after 8 years of Bush/Cheney, the thought of once again being blamed (along with Nader and the others who voted for him) when McCain/Palin won was too much for me to risk. I would like to stress some important points: 1. Public OPTION is a compromise between Single Payer (the system which is best in terms of cost, patient choice, covering everyone and eliminating red tape) and the status quo, which is a disaster (ask anyone who's lost their homes or gone bankrupt due to medical bills; who pays 50% of their income like I do for health care-and it's not an option for me to do without because I've been disabled from birth-which wasn't anyone's fault; the millions of uninusred; the relatives of people who've died because they were uninsured or their insurance company denied their treatment-like the 17 year old girl who died because the insurance company denied her transplant). 2. Public Option (and Single Payer) are supported by the vast majority of Americans. 3. If you don't want to have the Public Option, and want to keep your current private insurance, you can. President Obama confirmed TODAY that there is a clause in the proposed legislation that makes it illegal for employers who currently offer medical benefits via private insurance to dump employees into the Public Option if they want to keep their private plan. 4. None of the proposals that came out of committees in the House or Senate propose covering illegal immigrants. But we ARE PAYING for them now, when they go to urgent care or emergency rooms. 5. The system President Obama proposes is deficit neutral: one way the President proposes funding it is to change the percentage of tax deductions for people earning over $250,000/yr to the same percentage allowed to those who make less. This is simply going back to the levels during the REAGAN administration (Reagan was such a commie! Wait...). 6. MEDICARE IS A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM-FOR THOSE SAYING THEY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO STAY OUT OF THEIR MEDICARE, WHOM DO YOU PROPOSE ADMINISTER IT INSTEAD? Public Option would just make a program like medicare available to people under 65 who choose to have it over private insurance. 7. Despite the fact that the US spends MORE on health care per capita (and % of GDP) than other industrialized countries with, look out, "SOCIALIZED" medicine, we don't cover everyone, and we don't have the best health outcomes. Here's how the WHO ranked countries in 2000(we came out 2 spots ahead of those commies in Cuba): 1 France 2 Italy 3 San Marino 4 Andorra 5 Malta 6 Singapore 7 Spain 8 Oman 9 Austria 10 Japan 11 Norway 12 Portugal 13 Monaco 14 Greece 15 Iceland 16 Luxembourg 17 Netherlands 18 United Kingdom 19 Ireland 20 Switzerland 21 Belgium 22 Colombia 23 Sweden 24 Cyprus 25 Germany 26 Saudi Arabia 27 United Arab Emirates 28 Israel 29 Morocco 30 Canada 31 Finland 32 Australia 33 Chile 34 Denmark 35 Dominica 36 Costa Rica 37 United States of America 38 Slovenia 39 Cuba 40 Brunei 41 New Zealand 42 Bahrain 43 Croatia 44 Qatar 45 Kuwait 46 Barbados 47 Thailand 48 Czech Republic 49 Malaysia 50 Poland 51 Dominican Republic 52 Tunisia 53 Jamaica 54 Venezuela 55 Albania 56 Seychelles 57 Paraguay 58 South Korea 59 Senegal 60 Philippines 61 Mexico 62 Slovakia 63 Egypt 64 Kazakhstan 65 Uruguay 66 Hungary 67 Trinidad and Tobago 68 Saint Lucia 69 Belize 70 Turkey 71 Nicaragua 72 Belarus 73 Lithuania 74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 75 Argentina 76 Sri Lanka 77 Estonia 78 Guatemala 79 Ukraine 80 Solomon Islands 81 Algeria 82 Palau 83 Jordan 84 Mauritius 85 Grenada 86 Antigua and Barbuda 87 Libya 88 Bangladesh 89 Macedonia 90 Bosnia-Herzegovina 91 Lebanon 92 Indonesia 93 Iran 94 Bahamas 95 Panama 96 Fiji 97 Benin 98 Nauru 99 Romania 100 Saint Kitts and Nevis 101 Moldova 102 Bulgaria 103 Iraq 104 Armenia 105 Latvia 106 Yugoslavia 107 Cook Islands 108 Syria 109 Azerbaijan 110 Suriname 111 Ecuador 112 India 113 Cape Verde 114 Georgia 115 El Salvador 116 Tonga 117 Uzbekistan 118 Comoros 119 Samoa 120 Yemen 121 Niue 122 Pakistan 123 Micronesia 124 Bhutan 125 Brazil 126 Bolivia 127 Vanuatu 128 Guyana 129 Peru 130 Russia 131 Honduras 132 Burkina Faso 133 Sao Tome and Principe 134 Sudan 135 Ghana 136 Tuvalu 137 Ivory Coast 138 Haiti 139 Gabon 140 Kenya 141 Marshall Islands 142 Kiribati 143 Burundi 144 China 145 Mongolia 146 Gambia 147 Maldives 148 Papua New Guinea 149 Uganda 150 Nepal 151 Kyrgystan 152 Togo 153 Turkmenistan 154 Tajikistan 155 Zimbabwe 156 Tanzania 157 Djibouti 158 Eritrea 159 Madagascar 160 Vietnam 161 Guinea 162 Mauritania 163 Mali 164 Cameroon 165 Laos 166 Congo 167 North Korea 168 Namibia 169 Botswana 170 Niger 171 Equatorial Guinea 172 Rwanda 173 Afghanistan 174 Cambodia 175 South Africa 176 Guinea-Bissau 177 Swaziland 178 Chad 179 Somalia 180 Ethiopia 181 Angola 182 Zambia 183 Lesotho 184 Mozambique 185 Malawi 186 Liberia 187 Nigeria 188 Democratic Republic of the Congo 189 Central African Republic 190 Myanmar -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZPN Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 That's fine, but let's take another look at what you said: Most people don't know that medical insurance in this country was not always for profit-it was originally non-profit. You could theoretically have non-profit coverage that is not a government system, like we had in the past. For the sake of argument, let's say the country began in 1776. Blue Cross did not come along for over 125 years, and when it did it was not the system it was a system. Blue Cross was also quasi-philanthropic in nature. HMOs came along about 50 years later, but they were not non-profit either. Your underlying point is well taken though. Seems to me there is some wisdom to be gained from examining the past as opposed to trying to cram a socialist scheme down the throats of millions of Americas who are adamantly opposed to it. I've said all along Obamacare is far too cost-prohibitive as it trys to cover all of the people with only some of the people contributing funds. Anyone with a brain knows amnesty for the nation's roughly 12 million illegals is next on the Dem's agenda so they will all vote blue for life in large part because of all the free candy they would have been given now. It isn't going to happen. This whole thing is D.O.A. Ok instead of the word "originally" I should have used the word previously. It was an honest mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZPN Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 ^^^ Socialist propoganda should be printed in rolls, you know what I'm saying? The Universal Declaration of Human Rights is a United Nations document, not socialist propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZPN Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Haven't you ever heard the old saying "life is not meant to be fair"? The importance of those 50 lives is not the issue. What is important is that bleeding heart liberals don't fuck it up further for the 307,000,000 others who will wake up tomorrow. That is unacceptable. SteveAJones: I will listen now. After your family went bankrupt, you felt orphaned. You were 16 years old. You went to stay with cousins who lived in Buffalo. And…? Nathan: [tears begin forming in his eyes] And one morning, I just ran away. SteveAJones: No "just", Nathan. What set you off? You started at what time? Nathan: Early, still dark. SteveAJones: Then something woke you, didn't it? Was it a dream? What was it? Nathan: I heard a strange noise. SteveAJones: What was it? Nathan: It was… screaming. Some kind of screaming, like a child's voice. SteveAJones: What did you do? Nathan: I went downstairs, outside. I crept over to the clinic. I was so scared to look inside, but I had to. SteveAJones: And what did you see, Nathan? What did you see? Nathan: The uninsured. The uninsured were screaming. SteveAJones: They were turning away the uninsured patients? Nathan: And they were screaming. SteveAJones: And you ran away? Nathan: No. First I tried to free them. I… I suggested cost-prohibitive health care reform, but it didn't matter. They just stood there, confused. They wouldn't do anything for themselves. SteveAJones: But you could and you did, didn't you? Nathan: Yes. I took one patient, and I ran away as fast as I could. SteveAJones: Where were you going, Nathan? Nathan: I don't know. I didn't have any food, any water and it was very cold, very cold. I thought, I thought if I could save just one, but… she was so heavy. So heavy. I didn't get more than a few miles when the sheriff's car picked me up. My parents were so angry they pulled me out of public school. I never saw the clinic again. SteveAJones: What became of your uninsured patient, Nathan? Nathan: They killed her. SteveAJones: Well, Nathan - have the uninsured stopped screaming? WHAT THE???? I can't even begin to disect that. Suffice it to say the use of Nathan's name in your bizarre dialogue alone is wrong. Don't put words in someone else's mouth to make your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZPN Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Here's a thought: if someone you care about is at risk of dying on account of being uninsured pony up the cash yourself and bail them out. A second job? A bake sale, perhaps? Whatever you do, don't cause irrevocable damage to the overall system. I'm beginning to wonder if your posts are meant to be funny/satire. Because the alternative, that you mean what you say, gets more and more disturbing. You think a family can come up with tens of thousands of dollars (or more) in a bake sale? Or if they got a 2nd or 3rd job their employer would give them an advance of thousands of dollars, so they can pay the hospital? As far as irrevocable damage to the overall system, most of us realize it's already being done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZPN Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 So you are suggesting all countries are the same? If the advantages of nationalized healthcare for America were so painfully obvious then don't you think this point of view would be more easily proven, and change more readily accepted? But it isn't the case because the advantages do not outweigh the disadvantages. The free market has spoken. If by advantages you mean the majority of citizens, and by disadvantages you mean the amount of money (millions per day now) the for profit insurance companies have spent for decades, trying to prevent health care reform, you might actually be correct! The market may have spoken, but it's not free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Keep going, as long as you don't bring Sonny Landreth into it you're doing great! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZPN Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Markets (free or otherwise) shouldn't come into it. Healthcare should really be a given. Just like, oh I don't know the police force or the fire service. I don't think people should have to cough up a cheque before the fire brigade will come and put the fire out. Damn socialist firefighters! I don't want their government fire fighting forced on me, because I plan to never have a fire. If I do have one, I'll pay Chuck Norris & Blackwater twice as much as my local taxes to do it. It's the American Way (strains of Lee Greenwood in the background)! (ps this was sarcasm) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarlaxle 56 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Damn socialist firefighters! I don't want their government fire fighting forced on me, because I plan to never have a fire. If I do have one, I'll pay Chuck Norris & Blackwater twice as much as my local taxes to do it. It's the American Way (strains of Lee Greenwood in the background)! (ps this was sarcasm) LMFAO at the Blackwater part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZPN Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 Opportunities abound, particularly if you have the entrepreneural spirit. However, many posting to this thread are unemployed/and or college students living with their parents. If you want this to get personal, so be it. I live with my Mom. Not because I'm lazy. When a lot of other kids were partying in high school, I was working to get good grades (and I realize I'm lucky in that respect, because I had physical challenges, but not mental ones-some people can't get good grades, no matter how hard they work) and get into college. I graduated from college and worked full time for years(sometimes more than 40 hrs/week). I was born with cerebral palsy and also have other medical issues that were not preventable. I worked my ass off for years in spite of my challenges. My health has worsened over the past 12 years but I kept working as much as I could, until I got fired in Nov 08, for being out sick too often. Now I'm paying 1/2 of my income for Cobra premiums and out of pocket medical expenses. I'm getting social security and I believe I EARNED it-paid into social security for YEARS. If I lived in a country like Canada or England (or France or...), I wouldn't have to choose between affording a modest apartment and medical care. And if we had a health care system in this country that would cover long term regular physical therapy to people like me, instead of only sporadically when the problems become debilitating, I might be in much better health right now, and not even need social security. Believe me, I'd much rather be financially self-sufficient, and not disabled. But I didn't have a choice about being disabled. Maybe I'm one of those 50 per day people who should have just died off. Funny how so many right wingers are "pro life" when you're in the womb, but once you're out, it's dog eat dog. There are worse things than being physically handicapped: at least I can hold my head high because I'm not compassion challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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