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We should take odds on what changes. IMO this is one of the oldest arguments in politics. Something they can bat about to keep from talking about why all our money is going to more troops to raise poppies and fight the talifucks. Let Afghanistan raise as much opium as they like.

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MEMO FROM THE DIRECTOR:

As a corporation, we must steadily make a profit every month for our investors to keep their money invested in us. This ain't no Mom 'n' Pop operation. We will do ANYTHING to turn a profit each month/quarter/year. If it means taking YOUR JOB and giving it to someone SOMEWHERE ELSE to work for MUCH LESS THAN WE HAVE TO PAY YOU, we will -- AND DO!!

There is NO AMERICA. There are NO BORDERS. We are patriotic only to MONEY. We DON'T GIVE A F--- ABOUT YOUR LOYALTY TO THE COMPANY!! Grow up! Your wages will go DOWN eventually, to keep you competitive with the Third World. It is all just leading up to THE NEW WORLD ORDER. We created a subprime market which crashed retirement accounts and has created the worst economic climate since the Great Depression of the 1930s; "Back to work, Grandpa!!"

Oh yeah, one more thing. You will most likely never see all that money you pay for Social Security. As your favorite singer says, "Aw, suck it!"

Give us your babies; after they pee into this bottle (attached with memo) we want to implant radio emitting devices just to make sure he/she do not get lost. Actually, it is tracking device to make sure our worker bees are not up to no good (i.e., grabbbing a beer in a tavern after work, buying pot, planning revolutions to overthrow unjust governments).

Best of luck to you being relevant to us. And you better take a pay cut. OK. Now, get back to work!!

Where's Hunter Thompson when ya need him?

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Hi Dpat,

I like your reasoning and your post, makes a lot of sense to me as i've always thought along those lines anyway.

I look at the Economic Climate like this, if we were to try to bring the Third World up to our own levels of Prosperity then we have got to drop our own levels a long way down just too meet them. :o

Still by 2012 it will be all over, according to the Conspiracy Theorists.;)

Regards, Danny

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You must have missed the post showing U.S. defense spending is at it's lowest level in over 40 years. The only problem with allowing Afghanistan to produce as much opium as they like is they don't sell it there - it ends up

on Main Street and the High Street.

Hi Steve,

The easy way out would be to buy every bit of Opium that Afghanistan can produce, it must be cheaper that going to war there, then add that to the Opium that we get from Greece, Bulgaria and Turkey, and the problem is over.

But the real reason that we are in Afghanistan is so we can pacify the country, and then we can build an oil pipeline down through Pakistan to the coast to allow Russian and Central Asian Oil to get to us in the West easier, oh yes mustnt forget, and to stop World Terrorism.

"The World is a Toilet, someone please pull the Chain so we can get rid of all this Shit"

Regards, Danny

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MEMO FROM THE DIRECTOR:

As a corporation, we must steadily make a profit every month for our investors to keep their money invested in us. This ain't no Mom 'n' Pop operation. We will do ANYTHING to turn a profit each month/quarter/year. If it means taking YOUR JOB and giving it to someone SOMEWHERE ELSE to work for MUCH LESS THAN WE HAVE TO PAY YOU, we will -- AND DO!!

There is NO AMERICA. There are NO BORDERS. We are patriotic only to MONEY. We DON'T GIVE A F--- ABOUT YOUR LOYALTY TO THE COMPANY!! Grow up! Your wages will go DOWN eventually, to keep you competitive with the Third World. It is all just leading up to THE NEW WORLD ORDER. We created a subprime market which crashed retirement accounts and has created the worst economic climate since the Great Depression of the 1930s; "Back to work, Grandpa!!"

Oh yeah, one more thing. You will most likely never see all that money you pay for Social Security. As your favorite singer says, "Aw, suck it!"

Give us your babies; after they pee into this bottle (attached with memo) we want to implant radio emitting devices just to make sure he/she do not get lost. Actually, it is tracking device to make sure our worker bees are not up to no good (i.e., grabbbing a beer in a tavern after work, buying pot, planning revolutions to overthrow unjust governments).

Best of luck to you being relevant to us. And you better take a pay cut. OK. Now, get back to work!!

Where's Hunter Thompson when ya need him?

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But can he drive a forklift?

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But can he drive a forklift?

It would seem some forum members are free to aggravate as they please. You complain about it, then go back and take a nice sarcastic shot back at something I said days ago. So why is it you don't go by Honey here? Afraid they'll remember you and ban you again? :beer:

Stop quoting me Honey. It's aggravating. :rolleyes:

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The Afghanistan Oil Pipeline is A reason but not THE reason, as most western governments and oil companies prefer an export route from the Caspian Sea to Azerbaijan and Georgia and on to the Black Sea over the one through Afghanistan. Bypassing Russia and Iran breaks their collective monopoly on regional energy supplies.

The Taliban forbade the production of Opium, which skyrocketed once they were overthrown. It's going to be

a long road.

Boils down to whatever it takes to sell the fucking military machine.

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I did not know that the word "forklift" held a copyright. Amazing what a person can learn here.

I see my ignore feature still works beautifully when I need it.

Oh come on! You know you were taking a dig at my post! I'm not censoring you. I'm just saying fair is fair. You don't want to be bothered, don't bother me. Cause you know that was your intention. You could have said welder. No "forklift driver" came straight from my post. Then you whine about being quoted. Road goes both ways Honey.

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You don't understand. Only a bleeding heart liberal would sweat what is on average one person per state per day in a country with population of over 300 million. It reminds me

of something your Messiah said in Berlin last year about the U.S. - "We're not perfect".

Of course there can be no perfect system or perfect nation, but only a bleeding heart liberal would exhaust other people's tax dollars attempting to attain perfection, as is

clearly the case here.

My MESSIAH? Jesus Christ!

Yes I voted for Obama, reluctantly. I voted for Nader in 2000 & 2oo4, but after 8 years of Bush/Cheney, the thought of once again being blamed (along with Nader and the others who voted for him) when McCain/Palin won was too much for me to risk. I would like to stress some important points:

1. Public OPTION is a compromise between Single Payer (the system which is best in terms of cost, patient choice, covering everyone and eliminating red tape) and the status quo, which is a disaster (ask anyone who's lost their homes or gone bankrupt due to medical bills; who pays 50% of their income like I do for health care-and it's not an option for me to do without because I've been disabled from birth-which wasn't anyone's fault; the millions of uninusred; the relatives of people who've died because they were uninsured or their insurance company denied their treatment-like the 17 year old girl who died because the insurance company denied her transplant).

2. Public Option (and Single Payer) are supported by the vast majority of Americans.

3. If you don't want to have the Public Option, and want to keep your current private insurance, you can.

President Obama confirmed TODAY that there is a clause in the proposed legislation that makes it illegal for employers who currently offer medical benefits via private insurance to dump employees into the Public Option if they want to keep their private plan.

4. None of the proposals that came out of committees in the House or Senate propose covering illegal immigrants.

But we ARE PAYING for them now, when they go to urgent care or emergency rooms.

5. The system President Obama proposes is deficit neutral: one way the President proposes funding it is to change the percentage of tax deductions for people earning over $250,000/yr to the same percentage allowed to those who make less. This is simply going back to the levels during the REAGAN administration (Reagan was such a commie! Wait...).

6. MEDICARE IS A GOVERNMENT PROGRAM-FOR THOSE SAYING THEY WANT THE GOVERNMENT TO STAY OUT OF THEIR MEDICARE,

WHOM DO YOU PROPOSE ADMINISTER IT INSTEAD? Public Option would just make a program like medicare available to people under 65 who choose to have it over private insurance.

7. Despite the fact that the US spends MORE on health care per capita (and % of GDP) than other

industrialized countries with, look out, "SOCIALIZED" medicine, we don't cover everyone, and we don't have the best health outcomes. Here's how the WHO ranked countries in 2000(we came out 2 spots ahead of those commies in Cuba):

1 France

2 Italy

3 San Marino

4 Andorra

5 Malta

6 Singapore

7 Spain

8 Oman

9 Austria

10 Japan

11 Norway

12 Portugal

13 Monaco

14 Greece

15 Iceland

16 Luxembourg

17 Netherlands

18 United Kingdom

19 Ireland

20 Switzerland

21 Belgium

22 Colombia

23 Sweden

24 Cyprus

25 Germany

26 Saudi Arabia

27 United Arab Emirates

28 Israel

29 Morocco

30 Canada

31 Finland

32 Australia

33 Chile

34 Denmark

35 Dominica

36 Costa Rica

37 United States of America

38 Slovenia

39 Cuba

40 Brunei

41 New Zealand

42 Bahrain

43 Croatia

44 Qatar

45 Kuwait

46 Barbados

47 Thailand

48 Czech Republic

49 Malaysia

50 Poland

51 Dominican Republic

52 Tunisia

53 Jamaica

54 Venezuela

55 Albania

56 Seychelles

57 Paraguay

58 South Korea

59 Senegal

60 Philippines

61 Mexico

62 Slovakia

63 Egypt

64 Kazakhstan

65 Uruguay

66 Hungary

67 Trinidad and Tobago

68 Saint Lucia

69 Belize

70 Turkey

71 Nicaragua

72 Belarus

73 Lithuania

74 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines

75 Argentina

76 Sri Lanka

77 Estonia

78 Guatemala

79 Ukraine

80 Solomon Islands

81 Algeria

82 Palau

83 Jordan

84 Mauritius

85 Grenada

86 Antigua and Barbuda

87 Libya

88 Bangladesh

89 Macedonia

90 Bosnia-Herzegovina

91 Lebanon

92 Indonesia

93 Iran

94 Bahamas

95 Panama

96 Fiji

97 Benin

98 Nauru

99 Romania

100 Saint Kitts and Nevis

101 Moldova

102 Bulgaria

103 Iraq

104 Armenia

105 Latvia

106 Yugoslavia

107 Cook Islands

108 Syria

109 Azerbaijan

110 Suriname

111 Ecuador

112 India

113 Cape Verde

114 Georgia

115 El Salvador

116 Tonga

117 Uzbekistan

118 Comoros

119 Samoa

120 Yemen

121 Niue

122 Pakistan

123 Micronesia

124 Bhutan

125 Brazil

126 Bolivia

127 Vanuatu

128 Guyana

129 Peru

130 Russia

131 Honduras

132 Burkina Faso

133 Sao Tome and Principe

134 Sudan

135 Ghana

136 Tuvalu

137 Ivory Coast

138 Haiti

139 Gabon

140 Kenya

141 Marshall Islands

142 Kiribati

143 Burundi

144 China

145 Mongolia

146 Gambia

147 Maldives

148 Papua New Guinea

149 Uganda

150 Nepal

151 Kyrgystan

152 Togo

153 Turkmenistan

154 Tajikistan

155 Zimbabwe

156 Tanzania

157 Djibouti

158 Eritrea

159 Madagascar

160 Vietnam

161 Guinea

162 Mauritania

163 Mali

164 Cameroon

165 Laos

166 Congo

167 North Korea

168 Namibia

169 Botswana

170 Niger

171 Equatorial Guinea

172 Rwanda

173 Afghanistan

174 Cambodia

175 South Africa

176 Guinea-Bissau

177 Swaziland

178 Chad

179 Somalia

180 Ethiopia

181 Angola

182 Zambia

183 Lesotho

184 Mozambique

185 Malawi

186 Liberia

187 Nigeria

188 Democratic Republic of the Congo

189 Central African Republic

190 Myanmar

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That's fine, but let's take another look at what you said:

Most people don't know that medical insurance in this country was not always for profit-it was originally non-profit. You could theoretically have non-profit coverage that is not a government system, like we had in the past.

For the sake of argument, let's say the country began in 1776. Blue Cross did not come

along for over 125 years, and when it did it was not the system it was a system. Blue Cross was also quasi-philanthropic in nature. HMOs came along about 50 years later,

but they were not non-profit either.

Your underlying point is well taken though. Seems to me there is some wisdom to be gained from examining the past as opposed to trying to cram a socialist scheme down the throats of millions of Americas who are adamantly opposed to it. I've said all along Obamacare is far too cost-prohibitive as it trys to cover all of the people with

only some of the people contributing funds. Anyone with a brain knows amnesty for the nation's roughly 12 million illegals is next on the Dem's agenda so they will all vote blue

for life in large part because of all the free candy they would have been given now. It

isn't going to happen. This whole thing is D.O.A.

Ok instead of the word "originally" I should have used the word previously. It was an honest mistake.

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Haven't you ever heard the old saying "life is not meant to be fair"?

The importance of those 50 lives is not the issue. What is important is that bleeding

heart liberals don't fuck it up further for the 307,000,000 others who will wake up

tomorrow. That is unacceptable.

SteveAJones: I will listen now. After your family went bankrupt, you felt orphaned. You were 16 years old. You went to stay with cousins who lived in Buffalo. And…?

Nathan: [tears begin forming in his eyes] And one morning, I just ran away.

SteveAJones: No "just", Nathan. What set you off? You started at what time?

Nathan: Early, still dark.

SteveAJones: Then something woke you, didn't it? Was it a dream? What was it?

Nathan: I heard a strange noise.

SteveAJones: What was it?

Nathan: It was… screaming. Some kind of screaming, like a child's voice.

SteveAJones: What did you do?

Nathan: I went downstairs, outside. I crept over to the clinic. I was so scared to look inside, but I had to.

SteveAJones: And what did you see, Nathan? What did you see?

Nathan: The uninsured. The uninsured were screaming.

SteveAJones: They were turning away the uninsured patients?

Nathan: And they were screaming.

SteveAJones: And you ran away?

Nathan: No. First I tried to free them. I… I suggested cost-prohibitive health care reform, but it didn't matter. They just stood there, confused. They wouldn't do anything for themselves.

SteveAJones: But you could and you did, didn't you?

Nathan: Yes. I took one patient, and I ran away as fast as I could.

SteveAJones: Where were you going, Nathan?

Nathan: I don't know. I didn't have any food, any water and it was very cold, very cold. I thought, I thought if I could save just one, but… she was so heavy. So heavy. I didn't get more than a few miles when the sheriff's car picked me up. My parents were so angry they pulled me out of public school. I never saw the clinic again.

SteveAJones: What became of your uninsured patient, Nathan?

Nathan: They killed her.

SteveAJones: Well, Nathan - have the uninsured stopped screaming?

WHAT THE????

I can't even begin to disect that. Suffice it to say the use of Nathan's name in your bizarre dialogue alone is wrong. Don't put words in someone else's mouth to make your point.

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Here's a thought: if someone you care about is at risk of dying on account of being uninsured pony up the cash yourself and bail them out. A second job? A bake sale, perhaps? Whatever you do, don't cause irrevocable damage to the overall system.

I'm beginning to wonder if your posts are meant to be funny/satire. Because the alternative, that you mean what you say, gets more and more disturbing. You think a family can come up with tens of thousands of dollars (or more) in a bake sale? Or if they got a 2nd or 3rd job their employer would give them an advance of thousands of dollars, so they can pay the hospital? As far as irrevocable damage to the overall system, most of us realize it's already being done.

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So you are suggesting all countries are the same? :rolleyes: If the advantages of nationalized healthcare for America were so painfully obvious then don't you think this point of view would be more easily proven, and change more readily accepted? But it isn't the case

because the advantages do not outweigh the disadvantages. The free market has spoken.

If by advantages you mean the majority of citizens, and by disadvantages you mean the amount of money (millions per day now) the for profit insurance companies have spent for decades, trying to prevent health care reform, you might actually be correct! The market may have spoken, but it's not free.

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Markets (free or otherwise) shouldn't come into it.

Healthcare should really be a given. Just like, oh I don't know the police force or the fire service. I don't think people should have to cough up a cheque before the fire brigade will come and put the fire out.

Damn socialist firefighters! I don't want their government fire fighting forced on me, because I plan to never have a fire. If I do have one, I'll pay Chuck Norris & Blackwater twice as much as my local taxes to do it. It's the American Way (strains of Lee Greenwood in the background)!

(ps this was sarcasm)

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Damn socialist firefighters! I don't want their government fire fighting forced on me, because I plan to never have a fire. If I do have one, I'll pay Chuck Norris & Blackwater twice as much as my local taxes to do it. It's the American Way (strains of Lee Greenwood in the background)!

(ps this was sarcasm)

LMFAO at the Blackwater part.

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Opportunities abound, particularly if you have the entrepreneural spirit. However, many posting to this thread are unemployed/and or college students living with their parents.

If you want this to get personal, so be it. I live with my Mom. Not because I'm lazy. When a lot of other kids were partying in high school, I was working to get good grades (and I realize I'm lucky in that respect, because I had physical challenges, but not mental ones-some people can't get good grades, no matter how hard they work) and get into college. I graduated from college and worked full time for years(sometimes more than 40 hrs/week). I was born with cerebral palsy and also have other medical issues that were not preventable. I worked my ass off for years in spite of my challenges. My health has worsened over the past 12 years but I kept working as much as I could, until I got fired in Nov 08, for being out sick too often. Now I'm paying 1/2 of my income for Cobra premiums and out of pocket medical expenses. I'm getting social security and I believe I EARNED it-paid into social security for YEARS. If I lived in a country like Canada or England (or France or...), I wouldn't have to choose between affording a modest apartment and medical care. And if we had a health care system in this country that would cover long term regular physical therapy to people like me, instead of only sporadically when the problems become debilitating, I might be in much better health right now, and not even need social security. Believe me, I'd much rather be financially self-sufficient, and not disabled. But I didn't have a choice about being disabled. Maybe I'm one of those 50 per day people who should have just died off. Funny how so many right wingers are "pro life" when you're in the womb, but once you're out, it's dog eat dog. There are worse things than being physically handicapped: at least I can hold my head high because I'm not compassion challenged.

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