Electrophile Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/vocal-minority-greet-howard-dean-at-town-hall-2009-08-26.html Good to see the level of discourse on the subject of health care reform hasn't sunk too low..... Randall Terry's colleagues put on a skit with a man in an Obama mask pretending to whip a bloodied woman, who kept saying, "Massa, don't hit me no more. I got the money to kill the babies." Terry himself dressed in a doctor's lab coat and pretended to stab a woman in a gray wig. "There's no way to pay for this thing without killing granny," Terry explained. These are the "deathers". They are the same group of people as the "birthers". These people have become convinced through lies, obfuscations and more lies that Obama wants to kill grandmothers and force abortions on people. These people are the current face of the GOP. These people are scary. While this is but a snapshot of the town hall open mic nights that have been popping up around the country, they are not an outlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 http://thehill.com/l...2009-08-26.html Good to see the level of discourse on the subject of health care reform hasn't sunk too low..... These are the "deathers". They are the same group of people as the "birthers". These people have become convinced through lies, obfuscations and more lies that Obama wants to kill grandmothers and force abortions on people. These people are the current face of the GOP. These people are scary. While this is but a snapshot of the town hall open mic nights that have been popping up around the country, they are not an outlier. Oh for Chrissakes what do you expect from a radical anti-abortionist. He'll do anything to get some press and you can bet your ass the media will pick it up. These people are hardly the organized face of anything, let alone the GOP. In fact, you've overlooked they are characterized by the author of the article as a vocal MINORITY. Have you never heard the saying "there's one in every crowd"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangani Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Soooooooooooooooooo, are you Americans gonna have a REVOLUTION or what, then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted August 27, 2009 Author Share Posted August 27, 2009 BTW, Nathan, you kinda shied away from my question to you earlier in this thread... C'mon, Nathan, as you just said, "Put up or shut up? I like it..." I didn't "shy away" from your question, TypeO. Quite frankly, I think it's irrelevant, stupid, and completely misrepresents my stance on this whole issue as you seem wont to do (I call for simple aid to those who need it, and you automatically blow that up into free hand-outs for everyone, myself included, which is NOT TRUE AND NOT WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING). But if you're gonna be so insistent... No, I don't want anyone to take from my grades to give to anyone else. You see, I happen to be lucky. I am able to be in school mostly thanks to student Loans (I am not looking forward to the debt I have collected and the debt I have no choice but to continue to collect) that I have acquired, and so I'm in the lucky position that I don't need any fucking help to get my grades. I'm working self-sufficiently, if reliant on your precious free market student loans. I'll keep my grades, thank you very much. I don't want any fucking hand-outs for myself, and I've said that a million times in this thread. I, personally, have the ability to work for myself. And BTW... back to health care... even if there was a public option, unless I was dirt poor, I, personally, would never fucking use it. Because I would (hopefully) be able to afford the private option. Hey Steve, I'm about to shock you. I agree with you 100% about Obama bowing to that Saudi king. And yeah, Electrophile... it actually happened. Shit... even Jon Stewart made fun of Obama for it. It was a bad move. Here in the states, of course, it means very little because it's not our culture. But it's not our culture you have to worry about interpreting that, Electrophile. It's the Saudi culture, and they have a very different idea of what Obama did. To us he was just showing respect. To them (and this is true) he was showing his subserviance to the Saudi king, affirming to the king that he (the king) was higher in power then Obama, and that Obama is his willing servant. This is not fear tactics. You simply need to understand what that area of the world thinks and believes before you can understand why what Obama did by bowing to the Saudi king was a bad thing. That is one of the many down-sides to Liberals, BTW... they insist on applying our secular, humanistic culture to everyone, so if Obama's bow is nothing more then a sign of respect to us, then it must be the exact same thing to the Saudi's, which is inherently un-true. It's not how we see that bow, Electrophile... it's how they see that bow. And I cannot deny that I fear Obama's stance on Israel. While I do think that Israel has many-a-time gone overboard in their tactics with the rest of the Middle East (for example... I do agree with the idea behind the Gaza Blockade, but I think the execution was pathetic, to say the least...), I also believe that Israel has every right to exist in that country and, yes, we Jews were there first and belong there. That doesn't mean a Palistinian state cannot exist. I believe in the Two-State solution. But it bothers me that Obama seems to be "favoring" the Palistineans states and ignoring Israel entirely (he has given many interviews to Palistinians and even gave his first Presidential interview to a decidedly anti-Jewish [i say anti-Jewish instead of anti-Semetic because Palistinians are Semetic, too] Palistinian television network). I believe this when it comes to the Middle East, and I think history has proven it to be true: If Palestine were to lay down her weapons tomorrow, first, the war would be over. If Israel were to lay down her weapons tomorrow, first, then Israel and everyone living in Israel would be gone... quite literally. As far as health care... we need reform. The insurance companies have too much power (as is typical of human nature when there's no regulation to curb human nature) and, like the credit cards, charge for ridiculous things. And I think the "pre-existing conditions" clauses are fucking retarded. It doesn't help that my family had so many issues with our insurance company when my mom had Breast Cancer, twice. Steve, to give you a clue: both my parents are Conservative (they both voted for McCain and my dad even liked Sarah Palin at first). But after what our family went through, after what we experienced with the insurance company (it took lawyers to force them to pay their share of the bill and not drop us before Mom got her surgery both times), even my very Conservative parents want reform. If you, Steve, think that it's okay that our insurance company tried everything they could to leave us high and dry when Mom got Breast Cancer, then I no longer have anything to say to you. Thanks to our experience, we believe that reform is needed... badly... because insurance companies should not be able to do what they tried so hard to do to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Soooooooooooooooooo, are you Americans gonna have a REVOLUTION or what, then? No one in the states will do anything until after Them Crooked Vultures release North American tour dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Hey Steve, I'm about to shock you. I agree with you 100% about Obama bowing to that Saudi king. And yeah, Electrophile... it actually happened. Shit... even Jon Stewart made fun of Obama or it. It was a bad move. Here in the states, of course, it means very little because it's not our culture. But it's not our culture you have to worry about interpreting that, Electrophile. It's the Saudi culture, and they have a very different idea of what Obama did. To us he was just showing respect. To them (and this is true) he was showing his subserviance to the Saudi king, affirming to the king that he (the king) was higher in power then Obama, and that Obama is his willing servant. (edit) If Palestine were to lay down her weapons tomorrow, first, the war would be over. If Israel were to lay down her weapons tomorrow, first, then Israel and everyone living in Israel would be gone... quite literally. As far as health care... we need reform. The insurance companies have too much power (as is typical of human nature when there's no regulation to curb human nature) and, like the credit cards, charge for ridiculous things. And I think the "pre-existing conditions" clauses are fucking retarded. It doesn't help that my family had so many issues with our insurance company when my mom had Breast Cancer, twice. Steve, to give you a clue: both my parents are Conservative (they both voted for McCain and my dad even liked Sarah Palin at first). But after what our family went through, after what we experienced with the insurance company (it took lawyers to force them to pay their share of the bill and not drop us before Mom got her surgery both times), even my very Conservative parents want reform. If you, Steve, think that it's okay that our insurance company tried everything they could to leave us high and dry when Mom got Breast Cancer, then I no longer have anything to say to you. Thanks to our experience, we believe that reform is needed... badly... because insurance companies should not be able to do what they tried so hard to do to us. Even Jon Stewart called Obama out over it. That says it all right there. I violently agree with you that health care reform is needed. Unfortunately, the government has shown no interest in doing the hard work necessary to regulate the insurance industry. No, they'd rather steal the entire industry from the free market and exploit it for themselves. It would be the biggest power grab in the history of the country. They couldn't care less if Aunt Erma gets a hip replacement. It's strictly about money and power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Hartman Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Let's all have a few good memories of all of the "War that ended," blah blah blah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War Bull shit too. We've already started leaving Iraq and taken out several big members of the taliban soooo ~ As far as health care I said it before and I will say it again. They will bat anything back and forth to fight over especially something like this. No different than 1966... They will fight over a freaking sucker if they thought there was money in it or it would gain support. Let them work something out. Your all just following them along like little ducks. And if it looks like a freaking duck..... Well. You get the picture. Now you two calm down or get married for goodness sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Well. You get the picture. Now you two calm down or get married for goodness sake. Perish the thought. Mind you, giving her a proper spanking might be a bit of all right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Hartman Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Perish the thought. Mind you, giving her a proper spanking might be a bit of all right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted August 27, 2009 Share Posted August 27, 2009 Keep your hands to yourself. The French Revolution Causes of the French Revolution Political and Social Inequalities France still practised feudalism in the 18th century. The nobles and clergy enjoyed special privileges. They did not have to pay taxes. The common people did not have power and freedom in politics. They worked hard and had to pay heavy taxes. The nobles and clergy made up the First and Second Estates in the Estates General. The common people (i.e. the middle class (bourgeoisie), peasants and artisans) made up the Third Estate. The nobles and clergy could outvote the common people easily though the Estates General was always not called by the king, who ruled as an absolute monarch. The common people became discontented with the privileged classes. Bankruptcy of the Government Louis XIV had spent too much. His successors did not cut down expenses. Louis XVI also failed to improve the financial situation. He dismissed ministers who tried to introduce financial reforms. By 1789, the government was bankrupt. Influence of the Enlightenment and the American Revolution The ideas and writings of Enlightenment thinkers like Montesquieu, Voltaire, and Rousseau became widespread. The French people were inspired to go against their king. The suucess of the Americans to overthrow British rule encouraged the French to fight for their freedom. Outbreak of revolution 1789 When Louis XVI finally called the Estates General to solve financial difficulties, the Third Estate did not agree with the unfair system of the Estates General. They formed the National Assembly to make a constitution. People were afraid that the king would suppress the National Assembly. They were also discontented that the king dismissed Necker, the popular Finance Minister. The hungry Parisians, who suffered from bad harvest, burst out their anger by attacking the Bastille prison (for political prisoners). The Fall of Bastille started the French Revolution. It spread out to other parts of France. thecorner.org/hist/f3/fr_revo_causes phrases.org.uk/meanings/let-them-eat-cake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zosodude13 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Apparently, it's OK if you reach first base with the Saudi King... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el mago Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Keep your hands to yourself. The French Revolution phrases.org.uk/meanings/let-them-eat-cake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 Apparently, it's OK if you reach first base with the Saudi King... No one said what Bush did with the Saudi king is better. Having homosexual relations with the man is just as bad as bowing to him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 People never learn. This is why history is a required subject in grade school and high school, to prevent the same mistake from happening twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypeO Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Apparently, it's OK if you reach first base with the Saudi King... Wow. Strong WTF does that have to do with this thread? brb, making pointless, irrelevant post while simultaneously beating a dead horse and taking a benign incident out of context. TRIFECTA! Such a busy boy. I'm somehow reminded of Phoebe from Mrs. Munger's class who indiscriminately shouted random words and phrases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Wow. Strong WTF does that have to do with this thread? brb, making pointless, irrelevant post while simultaneously beating a dead horse and taking a benign incident out of context. TRIFECTA! Such a busy boy. I'm somehow reminded of Phoebe from Mrs. Munger's class who indiscriminately shouted random words and phrases. Prett obvious what it has to do with this thread, given all the invective about Obama "comporting himself as a Muslim subject" on the previous page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypeO Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Prett obvious what it has to do with this thread, given all the invective about Obama "comporting himself as a Muslim subject" on the previous page. Not near as obvious as yours, since at least you know how to quote the post you're responding to! lulz But since we're already there, at least Bush's actions were understood and appreciated by the inhabitants of the country he was in, whereas Obama's actions signalled an act of subservience as viewed by the inhabitants of the country he was in. But in our country, people who don't understand protocol and its significance dismiss Obama's act and ridicule Bush's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 No one said what Bush did with the Saudi king is better. Having homosexual relations with the man is just as bad as bowing to him... The first image is photoshopped. The other two do not reflect a breach of U.S. Presidential protocol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 The first image is photoshopped. The other two do not reflect a breach of U.S. Presidential protocol. Yes I know. It was meant to be a joke/swipe at the photoshopped picture. On second reading, even I had to remember what I was thinking to see that it was a joke... so that's my bad for being unclear. Sorry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Yes I know. It was meant to be a joke/swipe at the photoshopped picture. On second reading, even I had to remember what I was thinking to see that it was a joke... so that's my bad for being unclear. Sorry... Nathan, let me help you out: www.playhousedisney.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evster2012 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 If I may put my head on the chopping block... I think we do need healthcare reform. HOWEVER, I don't think it needs to be fast-tracked with blind urgency. Reflect and consider. Choose the right path. The bi-partisan feeding frenzy will benefit no one. The government needs to take a breath (and I don't mean taking a couple of weeks off in the Hamptons), step back and stop making this a make it or break it issue. Nothing fails more than a government rushing blindly to the kill. Dems or Repubs. Pointless! It's about we the people right? We get to elect the presidant. Why can't we vote on policy? Waving signs and having townhall meetings. Is that really going to derail the political agenda? That's naive. These plans were in place long before Obama took office. They had to be, otherwise he's clearly rushing a plan that he's had no time to properly evaluate. That's pretty simple. Reflect and consider. Rome wasn't built in a day, yet it fell. This is too big an issue to push through the cat door in the first year. Let it marinate and be refined before we all go at each other and end up with something worse than what we have now. The potential is there. The patience is what's lacking. Relax America, positive change takes time. Don't slam the oven door on the souffle! Rant over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Bill Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 the voice of reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 Umm... now I'm the one misreading, Steve. What's with the PlayHouse Disney link? If I may put my head on the chopping block... I think we do need healthcare reform. HOWEVER, I don't think it needs to be fast-tracked with blind urgency. Reflect and consider. Choose the right path. The bi-partisan feeding frenzy will benefit no one. The government needs to take a breath (and I don't mean taking a couple of weeks off in the Hamptons), step back and stop making this a make it or break it issue. Nothing fails more than a government rushing blindly to the kill. Dems or Repubs. Pointless! It's about we the people right? We get to elect the presidant. Why can't we vote on policy? Waving signs and having townhall meetings. Is that really going to derail the political agenda? That's naive. These plans were in place long before Obama took office. They had to be, otherwise he's clearly rushing a plan that he's had no time to properly evaluate. That's pretty simple. Reflect and consider. Rome wasn't built in a day, yet it fell. This is too big an issue to push through the cat door in the first year. Let it marinate and be refined before we all go at each other and end up with something worse than what we have now. The potential is there. The patience is what's lacking. Relax America, positive change takes time. Don't slam the oven door on the souffle! Rant over. You know what? I agree wholeheartedly. Why can't we vote on the issue? Why haven't we been given the option to vote on what we want? Obama and his administration (along with Congress and so on) are working on a policy that will effect the people of this country. So shouldn't We the People get the final say on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 You know what? I agree wholeheartedly. Why can't we vote on the issue? Why haven't we been given the option to vote on what we want? Obama and his administration (along with Congress and so on) are working on a policy that will effect the people of this country. So shouldn't We the People get the final say on this? You can't vote on the issue because you've got a liberal socialist President and his administration who have their own plans for your lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evster2012 Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Thanks Uncle Bill! What irks me is all this back and forth. The libs hate Fox News, the conserc=vatives hate MSNBC. Yada yada. We are a free-thinking society. Why allow ourselves to be spoonfed any side's hype? Do your research and draw your own conclusions. Sometimes I think 24 hour news will be our downfall. We don't need our facts encapsulated by some guy with a microphone and an agenda. We're not ignorant. It's out there. Let us read it for ourselves and decide. And if it's 1500 pages long, tell the government to remove 1490 pages. The quagmire of it dazes and confuses everyone. Keep it straight and on point. Let us vote on it, and let the system work as it was intended. Let we the people decide. That was in the charter right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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