lzzoso Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) Why is it that some people take real offense when I start a topic referring to (and asking) what Led Zeppelin did backstage or what supposedly happened on the "Starship"? Most of already know what may or may not have (and did) happen. I am asking just for other's opinions. Simple as that. Unless we were actually there, how could we know what really did happen. Speculation? What others think can be a powerful image. Whether true or false. If I start a certain topic about Led Zeppelin and "Drugs" or Led Zeppelin and Aleister Crowley, it seems to get negative responses or banned altogether. Why is this topic any different? Led Zeppelin and "groupies" and or "underage" girls? Just like drugs, the word groupie or underage definately brings up something "illegal". Edited August 28, 2009 by lzzoso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electrophile Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 What does religion have to do with this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 What does religion have to do with this? Hi 'Electrophile' "Religion" was what first put an age on what was or what wasnt acceptable as far as Underage Sex goes, the age of Rock'n'Roll changed all that forever. People still have a problem especially with "Rock Stars" having Sex with Underaged Girls, i was just throwing some light on the fact that "Underaged Sex" has been going on for hundreds of years and by people who are supposed to be "Holier than thou", like Mohommed, and who should know better, just like the "Rock Stars" should. Regards, Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) i have to agree with the comments about it being " a different time ". it doesn't make it right, but it was different . and hey, it wasn't just band members, or celebs, either. it happened in everyday life. a song from that time by aussie band " dragon " ... ... i just wanted to kiss someone i got the moondog blues you just happened to be standing there so won't you tell me won't you tell me the truth? are you old enough? are you old enough for love ? .... Edited August 28, 2009 by slave to zep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 i have to agree with the comments about it being " a different time ". it doesn't make it right, but it was different . and hey, it wasn't just band members, or celebs, either. it happened in everyday life. Hi S2Z, No you dont have to agree with them bitch. you could have agreed with me you know? Only joking, you can agree with who you like, but anyone who took the trouble to read through my link would have seen that it was as aphorant to people back then as it is to us now, but when a "Holy Man" commits acts that would have sent us ordinary folk to the gallows he gets away with it, why? because people are to afraid to say anything incase they are riddiculed or even worse, Bullaed. Regards, Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Hi S2Z, No you dont have to agree with them bitch. you could have agreed with me you know? Only joking, you can agree with who you like, but anyone who took the trouble to read through my link would have seen that it was as aphorant to people back then as it is to us now, but when a "Holy Man" commits acts that would have sent us ordinary folk to the gallows he gets away with it, why? because people are to afraid to say anything incase they are riddiculed or even worse, Bullaed. Regards, Danny i wasn't talking about that far back, danny! i meant the 70s were different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 i wasn't talking about that far back, danny! i meant the 70s were different. Hi S2Z, The 70s, thats way back mate, i can hardly remember what happened yesterday let alone 30-40 years ago, what was so different about the 70s then, apart from "Flares" that is? Regards, Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evster2012 Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 Why is it that some people take real offense when I start a topic referring to (and asking) what Led Zeppelin did backstage or what supposedly happened on the "Starship"? Most of already know what may or may not have (and did) happen. I am asking just for other's opinions. Simple as that. Unless we were actually there, how could we know what really did happen. Speculation? What others think can be a powerful image. Whether true or false. If I start a certain topic about Led Zeppelin and "Drugs" or Led Zeppelin and Aleister Crowley, it seems to get negative responses or banned altogether. Why is this topic any different? Led Zeppelin and "groupies" and or "underage" girls? Just like drugs, the word groupie or underage definately brings up something "illegal". Well technically, the topic is about why Zeppelin was villified while other rockstars got a free pass. The topic isn't Zeppelin and groupies. That's been well discussed. Enjoy the search function. Let's ask Ted Nugent, shall we? SHE MAKES HER MOVE AT MIDNIGHT SHE’S GOT THE MAGIC TOUCH THE LITTLE GIRL IS DANGEROUS AND JUST A BIT TOO MUCH IN THE MIDNIGHT HOUR ABOUT THE STROKE OF TWELVE SHE’LL BE STEPPING OUT SHE’S GONNA RAISE SOME HELL AND IT’S HER MOVE SHE’S HOLDING THAT WILD CARD GOTTA MAKE HER MOVE SHE’LL MAKE YOUR LIFE SO HARD HIGH HEEL SNEAKERS HEAD TO TOE IN LACE SUCH A DANGEROUS BODY WITH A LITTLE GIRLS FACE Chorus: LITTLE MISS DANGEROUS LITTLE MISS DANGEROUS TO ME SHE’S MY LITTLE MISS DANGEROUS LITTLE MISS DANGEROUS TO ME OH YES SHE IS LOOKING FOR TROUBLE, LOOKING FOR SEX WALKING ON THE WILD SIDE, SHE’S SO COMPLEX SHE’S ON FIRE, THE HEAT IS COMING ON THE GIRLS ON FIRE, SHE BURNS ALL NIGHT LONG HIGH HEEL SNEAKERS HEAD TO TOE IN LACE SUCH A DANGEROUS BODY WITH A LITTLE GIRLS FACE or Motorhead: Teenage baby you're a sweet young thing, Still tied to Mommy's apron strings, I don't even dare to ask your age, It's enough to know you're here backstage, You're Jailbait, and I just can't wait, Jailbait baby come on One chase baby, all I need, My decision made at lightning speed, I don't even want to know your name, It's enough to know you feel the same, Jailbait, and I just can't wait, Jailbait baby get down Tell you baby oh you look so fine, Sending quivers up and down my spine, I don't care about our different ages, I'm an open book with well thumbed pages, Jailbait, oh and I ain't too late, Jailbait baby get down Also, who took real offense to your posts? I (at least) have been more than candid in response to your questions. My only problem is that you've been less than satisfied with my answers. I can't do anything about that. At least I tried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Hi S2Z, The 70s, thats way back mate, i can hardly remember what happened yesterday let alone 30-40 years ago, what was so different about the 70s then, apart from "Flares" that is? Regards, Danny i dunno .... call it naievety, lack of political correctness, ..... you are the same age as me, danny. though it may have been different in the u.k. out here in oz, we rode around in the backs of utes ( no seatbelts, none in the front either! ) we didn't lock up the house like fort knox, got into pubs underage etc etc things were just a little more laid back imo. not saying it was better, just different.just in my small school in a country town, 4 girls got pregnant before the age of 16. and NO, i wasn't one of them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evster2012 Posted August 28, 2009 Author Share Posted August 28, 2009 i have to agree with the comments about it being " a different time ". it doesn't make it right, but it was different . Totally agreed! It wasn't unusual then. I guess what I was getting at is why Page took it on the chin while frankly it wasn't strange or uncommon. Page and Lori seems to be a big deal. Nobody talks about her and Bowie. No one villifies Bowie. But Jimmy gets dragged through the mud for doing what everybody was doing. Why just Jimmy? I dated a girl whose mom was proud that when she was 15, she tugged off Paul McCartney in her coat pocket. Daltrey too. Yet she was afraid of then Yardbirds' Jimmy Page. When her daughter was 14, she would take her up to Sunset Strip and drop her off to be "with the band". She was proud of her groupie heritage and wanted her daughter to be a legacy. Oh how she'd go on about Rodney Bingenheimer! I sat slack-jawed at The Rainbow watching her sit on the lap of "Uncle Bill" Gazzari. He knew her well. She was 18 then, but I was stunned by the casualness of it. The Rainbow was closed, it was after hours, but she knew the guy at the door and in we went at 3am. Then she went in the bathroom and blew some guy called Tanzel from a band called Circus and I took her home (to her mom's) for the last time. What a wierd scene! Amusing anecdote: While she was servicing stud Tanzel, I ended up hooking up with the bartender! This was 1990. She was my age. We dated on and off until 2004! Lead guitarist of Whole Lotta Rosies. Second from left: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 i dunno .... call it naievety, lack of political correctness, ..... you are the same age as me, danny. though it may have been different in the u.k. out here in oz, we rode around in the backs of utes ( no seatbelts, none in the front either! ) we didn't lock up the house like fort knox, got into pubs underage etc etc things were just a little more laid back imo. not saying it was better, just different.just in my small school in a country town, 4 girls got pregnant before the age of 16. and NO, i wasn't one of them! Twaz the same in England my dear, its never been any different really, theres always been underage sex, in my catholic secondary school one of the teaching priests was sent back to Ireland for abusing a girl in my class. I dont see how anyone can vilify what some Rock Star did when Priests, Prophets and Popes did and still do to some extent anyway. I think that we expect people in the spotlight, like Rock'n'Roll, to do things that although we would find unexceptable ourselves now, and were only too pleased to do when we were young and carefree, we want them to live on the edge, we envy their immorality and excesses and in a way we would like to do what they do but are to frightened of the consequences to do it, we are cowards then? Regards, Danny PS, "I have drunk from the cup and i am very aware of its intoxication" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeppFanForever Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 Totally agreed! It wasn't unusual then. I guess what I was getting at is why Page took it on the chin while frankly it wasn't strange or uncommon. Page and Lori seems to be a big deal. Nobody talks about her and Bowie. No one villifies Bowie. But Jimmy gets dragged through the mud for doing what everybody was doing. Why just Jimmy? I dated a girl whose mom was proud that when she was 15, she tugged off Paul McCartney in her coat pocket. Daltrey too. Yet she was afraid of then Yardbirds' Jimmy Page. When her daughter was 14, she would take her up to Sunset Strip and drop her off to be "with the band". She was proud of her groupie heritage and wanted her daughter to be a legacy. Oh how she'd go on about Rodney Bingenheimer! I sat slack-jawed at The Rainbow watching her sit on the lap of "Uncle Bill" Gazzari. He knew her well. She was 18 then, but I was stunned by the casualness of it. The Rainbow was closed, it was after hours, but she knew the guy at the door and in we went at 3am. Then she went in the bathroom and blew some guy called Tanzel from a band called Circus and I took her home (to her mom's) for the last time. What a wierd scene! Amusing anecdote: While she was servicing stud Tanzel, I ended up hooking up with the bartender! This was 1990. She was my age. We dated on and off until 2004! Lead guitarist of Whole Lotta Rosies. Second from left: How's it going "Evster" my buddy? I hope all is well with you. OH MY GOD! That picture that you have up on this post, I'M IN LUST WITH A WHOLE LOTTA ROSIE'S!!!!!!!! Ha Ha! ROCK ON my friend! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonzoLikeDrumer Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) NOT condoning anything here--but "Only Sixteen" and such are a bit different because 16 was the legal age of consent at the time those songs were written, at least in the UK where I was at the time, not sure about the US. So, strictly speaking, nothing illicit was being suggested in such songs, although it was also assumed that the guy in the song was an appropriate age for a 16-year-old girl. Not, say, 93! Im sure it depends on what state your in for that answer Aqua, North Carolina law state's that the age at the time will depend on the law. Under 16 and other person over 16 (but under 21) is statutory rape. Over 16 (but under 21) other person over 21 is statutory rape. The parents/guardian of the miner can intervene and say, yes or no. Edited August 28, 2009 by BonzoLikeDrumer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeppFanForever Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) An observation: Zeppelin (particularly Page) get a black mark in history for indulgences with underage girls. They're a dangerous band right? Now let's hop down to the KISS camp with their comic books and lunchboxes. So much kiddie fun! Ironic isn't it how the kids in the backseat would sing along while mom and dad sat up front completely oblivious to the subject when Casey Kasem played this little ditty on the AM radio back in 1978? "Back for their 6th week in America's Top 40, here's that colorful band from New York, KISS, with their hit single Christine Sixteen!" She's got me dizzy, she sees me through to the end She's got me in her hands and there's no use in pretending Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen She drives me crazy, I want to give her all I've got And she's hot every day and night, there is no doubt about it Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen "I don't usually say things like this to girls your age, but when I saw you coming out of the school that day, that day I knew, I knew, I've got to have you, I've got to have you." She's' been around, but she's young and clean I've got to have her, can't live without her, whoo no Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen Guess Gene Simmons gets a free pass. *A bit of trivia: This song was co-written with two up and coming rockers from Pasadena, California by the names Eddie and Alex Van Halen. Due to contracts they were never credited. The demo exists, and evidently Ace Frehley played Eddie's solo note for note. Whether it ever sees the light of day is up to the "Demon". **Van Halen called their 1981 tour the "Hide Your Sheep" tour. How's it going "Evster" my buddy? I hope all is well with you. We're going to have to change the name of this thread from THE GROUPIE THING THREAD to THE JAILBAIT THREAD! Hey "Evster," do you know the lyrics to "Seventeen" by WINGER? So its a year older than sixteen but who gives a f*c*! Ha Ha! I feel that this song would be appropriate for this thread. If someone can post the lyrics to "Seventeen" by WINGER here on this Thread, it would be deeply appreciated. In the mean time, take care and ROCK ON my friend! A LATE NOTE: I am quoting the lyrics to "Seventeen" by WINGER and will be posted very soon. ROCK ON! Edited August 28, 2009 by ZeppFanForever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeppFanForever Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 An observation: Zeppelin (particularly Page) get a black mark in history for indulgences with underage girls. They're a dangerous band right? Now let's hop down to the KISS camp with their comic books and lunchboxes. So much kiddie fun! Ironic isn't it how the kids in the backseat would sing along while mom and dad sat up front completely oblivious to the subject when Casey Kasem played this little ditty on the AM radio back in 1978? "Back for their 6th week in America's Top 40, here's that colorful band from New York, KISS, with their hit single Christine Sixteen!" She's got me dizzy, she sees me through to the end She's got me in her hands and there's no use in pretending Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen She drives me crazy, I want to give her all I've got And she's hot every day and night, there is no doubt about it Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen "I don't usually say things like this to girls your age, but when I saw you coming out of the school that day, that day I knew, I knew, I've got to have you, I've got to have you." She's' been around, but she's young and clean I've got to have her, can't live without her, whoo no Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen Guess Gene Simmons gets a free pass. *A bit of trivia: This song was co-written with two up and coming rockers from Pasadena, California by the names Eddie and Alex Van Halen. Due to contracts they were never credited. The demo exists, and evidently Ace Frehley played Eddie's solo note for note. Whether it ever sees the light of day is up to the "Demon". **Van Halen called their 1981 tour the "Hide Your Sheep" tour. How's it going "Evster" my buddy as well as our fellow die hard hard core ZEPPELIN fanatics? I hope all is well with all of you! At last, ITS F-R-I-D-A-Y!!!!!!! As promised, here are the lyrics to the song "Seventeen" by WINGER and it goes like this as follows: SEVENTEEN By WINGER Yeah, I saw sparks fly From the corner of my eye And when I turned (Whoo) It was love at first sight I said please excuse me I didn't catch your name (Whoa) It'd be a shame Not to see you again And just when I thought She was coming to my door She whispered sweet And brought me to the floor She said Chorus: I'm only seventeen (seventeen) I'll show you love like you've never seen She's only seventeen (seventeen) Daddy says she's too young But she's old enough for me Come to my place We can talk it over (Oh) Everything going down in your head She said take it easy I need some time Time to work it out To make you mine And just when I thought She was coming to my door She whispered sweet And brought me to the floor She said Chorus: I'm only seventeen (seventeen) You ain't seen love Ain't seen nothing like me She's only seventeen Seventeen........Yeah!!!! Solo Such a bad girl Loves to work me over time Feels good (Ha) Dancin' close to the borderline She's a magic mountain She's a leather glove (Oh) She's my soul It must be love Chorus: She's only seventeen (seventeen) The girl she gives me love like I've never seen She's only seventeen (seventeen) Daddy says she's too young But she's old enough for me Seventeen!! She's everything I need (seventeen) Daddy says she's too young But she's old enough Old enough for me Yeah! Yeah!! ROCK ON! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 (edited) Hi ET, I'm sure that aged "9" was as unpalatable then as it is now, and "God" as well as one of his "Prophets" should have know that one day people and societies would not accept this as "Righteous behavior" agreed? Regards, Danny In those days, they were mainly concerned about the regeneration and survival of the species. The earth was not quite so heavily populated then, and disease could take a substantial toll on the world's population. Men were primarily concerned with having sons. If they thought that she could produce healthy sons, they were not going to wait. It was just that simple. So they married young as a necessity of life; basic facts of life. Survival of the species was not considered to be unpalatable then, rather it was deemed to be desirable. Those relationships were primary and not necessarily involving lechery. They followed customs related to marriage and dowries and so forth in those days. Also, women dying in childbirth was a problem, and 9 years old is awfully young. Her hips usually don't widen enough to give birth and survive until she reaches her 20s. But not everyone lived into their 20s. So it was all survival and natural selection despite the customs associated with marriage. So in those days it was not seen as disgraceful just because she was young. If she had not reproduced at all, that would have been seen as undesirable. Their main concern then was producing healthy sons. In those days if she could produce healthy sons, they did not care if she was 9. If they thought that mother and baby were going to live through childbirth, that is all they cared about. It was all about producing healthy sons and having a long life expectancy then, and definitely survival of the fittest. They just didn't have the luxury of the kind of attitude that we have today. It was do or die. Fertility was an iffy thing in that period of human civilization. The fact that she was 9 probably did not even faze or register with them, as long as she had healthy sons and survived childbirth. If she could give birth to healthy sons and survive, she was good to go, and the fact that she was 9 would have been a minor detail. I believe that I am accurate in saying that was the world they lived in then. Basically, the way it worked then was once the blood started, they married her off, preferably to someone of sufficient means and good nature. Men can father children will into their later years, so his age would not have been a consideration as long as he was old enough. Edited August 28, 2009 by eternal light Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadScreamingGallery Posted August 28, 2009 Share Posted August 28, 2009 I agree with you. After all they were the biggest and most brilliant rock band in the 70's. There would have been the considerable many exaggerations too,I guess. In fact none of them broke their family life during their Zep era. As far as I know, you're correct that none of them permanently "broke their family life" during the Zep era. I spoke with someone who was with the band when they were in the U.S.and England and I was so curious that I asked him if the Zep guys engaged in the same activities when they were back in England in the way that they did when they were here in the U.S. He told me that when the Zep guys were back in England,when they weren't performing or in the studio creating music, they were at home with their families. He added, "They were good boys." Well technically, the topic is about why Zeppelin was villified while otherrockstars got a free pass. Understood and that's why, in my response, I did give what I think is one reason for this "vilification." Sometimes it's hard to start a conversation on a forum and have it stay on topic. That's partly why my friends and I prefer to talk privately about these things. I guess what I was getting at is why Page took it on the chin while frankly itwasn't strange or uncommon. Page and Lori seems to be a big deal. Nobody talksabout her and Bowie. No one villifies Bowie.But Jimmy gets dragged through the mud for doing what everybody was doing. Whyjust Jimmy? Why just Jimmy? I remember that time and people's reactions to the relationship between Jimmy and Lori. I also remember hearing that even the other Zep members (and Grant too, I think) had talked to Jimmy about it (not just about the fact that he was so public about it, but also about the relationship itself and Jimmy's reputation (someone else here on the forum can probably confirm this). Some people judged it differently because they viewed it as a "deeper" relationship (rather than the more superficial or fleeting kind that was more common at that time) because Jimmy and Lori were out and about as a couple and it seemed that there was a bond between them that went beyond the physical. There were people who were concerned about the imbalance of power between the two as well as the age difference between a 14-year-old and a 29 year-old - and, of course, there were those who were concerned about Jimmy's reputation. (In the early 70s many people still remembered what happened to the reputation of Jerry Lee Lewis.) From what I've been told, because of the age/power difference and the nature of the relationship it ultimately affected Lori more than it affected Jimmy. Although the relationship between the two lasted less than two years of Jimmy's and Lori's lives, 35+ years, ago, it is still discussed endlessly by some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzzoso Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 (edited) Well technically, the topic is about why Zeppelin was villified while other rockstars got a free pass. The topic isn't Zeppelin and groupies. That's been well discussed. Enjoy the search function. Let's ask Ted Nugent, shall we? SHE MAKES HER MOVE AT MIDNIGHT SHES GOT THE MAGIC TOUCH THE LITTLE GIRL IS DANGEROUS AND JUST A BIT TOO MUCH IN THE MIDNIGHT HOUR ABOUT THE STROKE OF TWELVE SHELL BE STEPPING OUT SHES GONNA RAISE SOME HELL AND ITS HER MOVE SHES HOLDING THAT WILD CARD GOTTA MAKE HER MOVE SHELL MAKE YOUR LIFE SO HARD HIGH HEEL SNEAKERS HEAD TO TOE IN LACE SUCH A DANGEROUS BODY WITH A LITTLE GIRLS FACE Chorus: LITTLE MISS DANGEROUS LITTLE MISS DANGEROUS TO ME SHES MY LITTLE MISS DANGEROUS LITTLE MISS DANGEROUS TO ME OH YES SHE IS LOOKING FOR TROUBLE, LOOKING FOR SEX WALKING ON THE WILD SIDE, SHES SO COMPLEX SHES ON FIRE, THE HEAT IS COMING ON THE GIRLS ON FIRE, SHE BURNS ALL NIGHT LONG HIGH HEEL SNEAKERS HEAD TO TOE IN LACE SUCH A DANGEROUS BODY WITH A LITTLE GIRLS FACE or Motorhead: Teenage baby you're a sweet young thing, Still tied to Mommy's apron strings, I don't even dare to ask your age, It's enough to know you're here backstage, You're Jailbait, and I just can't wait, Jailbait baby come on One chase baby, all I need, My decision made at lightning speed, I don't even want to know your name, It's enough to know you feel the same, Jailbait, and I just can't wait, Jailbait baby get down Tell you baby oh you look so fine, Sending quivers up and down my spine, I don't care about our different ages, I'm an open book with well thumbed pages, Jailbait, oh and I ain't too late, Jailbait baby get down Also, who took real offense to your posts? I (at least) have been more than candid in response to your questions. My only problem is that you've been less than satisfied with my answers. I can't do anything about that. At least I tried. Thanks for the post (reply). I had one of my topics completely deleted so someone must have taken offense by it. In truth, I have not "been less than satisfied" with anyone's answers to my queries. Yours included. I start topics or replies because I like to read other peoples thoughts and opinions on certain subjects that I am interested in. It seemed that you agreed with me on the Joe Walsh/James Gang song, "the Bomber". Even though we do not know each other, I do respect your topics/posts/opinions, etc... Edited August 29, 2009 by lzzoso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Thanks for the post (reply). I had one of my topics completely deleted so someone must have taken offense by it. In truth, I have not "been less than satisfied" with anyone's answers to my queries. Yours included. I start topics or replies because I like to read other peoples thoughts and opinions on certain subjects that I am interested in. It seemed that you agreed with me on the Joe Walsh/James Gang song, "the Bomber". Even though we do not know each other, I do respect your topics/posts/opinions, etc... Your topic was deleted by the mods, so it may not have been because someone took offence to it at all--it may simply have been a duplicate, or something. There are a number of reasons why threads get deleted. I've never seen anybody get particularly offended by these sort of topics--they come with the territory of being a Zeppelin fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reggie29 Posted August 29, 2009 Share Posted August 29, 2009 Your topic was deleted by the mods, so it may not have been because someone took offence to it at all--it may simply have been a duplicate, or something. There are a number of reasons why threads get deleted. I've never seen anybody get particularly offended by these sort of topics--they come with the territory of being a Zeppelin fan. Warts an' all, baby! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 In those days, they were mainly concerned about the regeneration and survival of the species. The earth was not quite so heavily populated then, and disease could take a substantial toll on the world's population. Men were primarily concerned with having sons. If they thought that she could produce healthy sons, they were not going to wait. It was just that simple. So they married young as a necessity of life; basic facts of life. Survival of the species was not considered to be unpalatable then, rather it was deemed to be desirable. Those relationships were primary and not necessarily involving lechery. They followed customs related to marriage and dowries and so forth in those days. Also, women dying in childbirth was a problem, and 9 years old is awfully young. Her hips usually don't widen enough to give birth and survive until she reaches her 20s. But not everyone lived into their 20s. So it was all survival and natural selection despite the customs associated with marriage. So in those days it was not seen as disgraceful just because she was young. If she had not reproduced at all, that would have been seen as undesirable. Their main concern then was producing healthy sons. In those days if she could produce healthy sons, they did not care if she was 9. If they thought that mother and baby were going to live through childbirth, that is all they cared about. It was all about producing healthy sons and having a long life expectancy then, and definitely survival of the fittest. They just didn't have the luxury of the kind of attitude that we have today. It was do or die. Fertility was an iffy thing in that period of human civilization. The fact that she was 9 probably did not even faze or register with them, as long as she had healthy sons and survived childbirth. If she could give birth to healthy sons and survive, she was good to go, and the fact that she was 9 would have been a minor detail. I believe that I am accurate in saying that was the world they lived in then. Basically, the way it worked then was once the blood started, they married her off, preferably to someone of sufficient means and good nature. Men can father children will into their later years, so his age would not have been a consideration as long as he was old enough. Hi ET, I just "LOVE" they way you side stepped my post, it proved to me that there is no "God", just a "Lecherous Old Man" up there. Regards, Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evster2012 Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 Hi ET, I just "LOVE" they way you side stepped my post, it proved to me that there is no "God", just a "Lecherous Old Man" up there. Regards, Danny Sure explains the attraction of 20+ year-old musicians to pubescent girls while on tour. I for one feel educated. Cause we still live in the days when the Earth was "not so heavily populated". And rock stars were screwing groupies to preserve the species. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) Sure explains the attraction of 20+ year-old musicians to pubescent girls while on tour. I for one feel educated. Cause we still live in the days when the Earth was "not so heavily populated". And rock stars were screwing groupies to preserve the species. Hi Ev, And they sure are a Dying (for it) Species arent they? Regards, Danny Edited September 1, 2009 by BIGDAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eternal light Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Hi ET, I just "LOVE" they way you side stepped my post, it proved to me that there is no "God", just a "Lecherous Old Man" up there. Regards, Danny People did not join in holy matrimony for the sake of lechery, only for procreation, and then someone had to bless the union of flesh and blood, which is only temporary, much like the car that you drive, to make it holy. Then when the car wears out you need to get a new one. Much like the car, the human body has a lifespan. When you wear the old one out, then you get a new spiritual one so you can still drive places. Then they had children, and grandchildren and more grandchildren. Then they all died at thirty, God bless them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 (edited) People did not join in holy matrimony for the sake of lechery, only for procreation, and then someone had to bless the union of flesh and blood, which is only temporary, much like the car that you drive, to make it holy. Then when the car wears out you need to get a new one. Much like the car, the human body has a lifespan. When you wear the old one out, then you get a new spiritual one so you can still drive places. Then they had children, and grandchildren and more grandchildren. Then they all died at thirty, God bless them. Hi ET, What the Fcuk are you talking about? If you are talking about the Jewish/Christian/Islamic "Holy Matrimony" then i think you are wrong, as a Good Stoneing is more to the point than any thought of Procreation dont you think? The point of those Religions is to get People to stop Acting like Animals and follow a Moral Code that will allow their Civilisation to function and stop any Jealousy through People messing with other peoples Partners and Children, unlike what this thread is about which is Pure Hedonism. Stoning, Burning, Hanging, Drowning, Beheading, are all OK in my book if it deturs people from leaving the path of Pure Richeousness to follow one of Pure Hedonism, we must keep intact what took Centuries to achieve but takes only Seconds to Destroy. Regards, Danny Edited September 1, 2009 by BIGDAN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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