Roman Polanski FINALLY arrested....

[BIGDAN]

Danny, have you been watching too many war movies lately?

That reminds me, there was a young victim of rape in California who took revenge on her attackers, and she was sentenced to prison for killing them.

Her first name started with a Y, but I can't remember her last name, which was Hispanic. It was about 3 days after she was gang-raped that she took a shotgun and hunted them down. It happened sometime during the 1970s. Ms. Magazine published a story about it.

Hi E-T,

I missed something from your post, i was proccupied with the Templars, sorry.

This Young Woman, any Woman in fact should get a Medal for that kind of behaviour, and recompence, say $£€1,000,000 or whatever would be the Money Wasted on taking one of these Scumbags throught the Courts, give the Money to the Victim and let her "Do What She Wilt" to the Scumbag.

Strip Polanski of his Wealth and give it to his Victim, then see how many of the Hollwood Rich Celebrity Bastards would try this again, they need to be taught a severe lesson and i'm just the kinda Guy to Teach it.

I was think of starting up a New Templars Unit, and calling it something like, "Rapists Aren't Us" any Volunteers out there?

Regards, Danny

[eternal light]

She waited 3 days before she went after her attackers, so that resulted in criminal charges against her.

Had she killed her attackers while defending herself at the time the rape occurred, she would have had a valid excuse for self-defense.

[BIGDAN]

She waited 3 days before she went after her attackers, so that resulted in criminal charges against her.

Had she killed her attackers while defending herself at the time the rape occurred, she would have had a valid excuse for self-defense.

Hi E-T,

So Fcuking What?

May they Burn in Hell while She is Rewarded in Heaven, for she will not be rewarded in this life.

Regards, Danny

PS, We "NEED" the Templars back to give out summary justice, i will have a word with the Grand Master as to what should be done next.

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[Anjin-san]

Hi all,

She waited 3 days before she went after her attackers, so that resulted in criminal charges against her.

She was how old?Parent were?

Had she killed her attackers while defending herself at the time the rape occurred, she would have had a valid excuse for self-defense.

Your so,......misinformed,and,...

KB

[eternal light]

I believe that she may have been an adult.

But had she killed them while defending herself from the rape, that would have been a legitimate defense against criminal homicide charges.

[~tangerine~]

Obviously it is a big deal. She never deserved what happened. The blessing is in the fact that he did not leave her in a bloody mess for the 911 respondents to sort through in the ER or the morgue, which is what happens to some victims these days. Obviously there is no blessing in being drugged and raped. I don't know what she suffered, although I can imagine that it was a nightmare for her, but I do know that she has forgiven him, healed and moved on with her life, as she has stated.

Why are you asking me to defend the relationship between the other two?

Rape is still rape. Most rapists are not murderers. Many murderers rape their victim first. Rape is a crime that occurs everywhere and in all kinds of situations. The severity of the crime should dictate the severity of the punishment. This does not make the crime of rape any less violent or horrific. Having your body violated definitely takes a toll on your "soul". It's also a crime against women in particular. EL, i am surprised you are not in defense of that.

You have defended him against the "rape" of a 13 year old girl. I wondered if you feel the sexual relationship of him at age 41 and another young woman (13 or 14 when it began) shed any more light on the kind of man he really is.

Hey Bidgan, love the posts!

[eternal light]

Of course I defend a woman's right against rape.

I have agreed that he violated the girl.

However, everyone has a right to a fair trial. That is not summary justice in my view. I oppose kangaroo courts. Every accused person has a right to a defense.

I am not aware of other relationships that you allege he may have had.

[BIGDAN]

Of course I defend a woman's right against rape.

I have agreed that he violated the girl.

However, everyone has a right to a fair trial. That is not summary justice in my view. I oppose kangaroo courts. Every accused person has a right to a defense.

I am not aware of other relationships that you allege he may have had.

Gotta Agree, they make me "Hopping Mad" as well.

Regards, Danny

[Electrophile]

I am not aware of other relationships that you allege he may have had.

There's no alleging here. He DID date 15 year old Nastassia Kijnksi (probably spelled wrong) when he was 41. I'd call that creepy, wouldn't you?

[eternal light]

Gotta Agree, they make me "Hopping Mad" as well.

Regards, Danny

[eternal light]

There's no alleging here. He DID date 15 year old Nastassia Kijnksi (probably spelled wrong) when he was 41. I'd call that creepy, wouldn't you?

Creepy, maybe, but it seems that he may have been within the law that time.

The age of consent in France is 15, as specified by Article 227-25, which reads: "The commission without violence, constraint, threat or surprise of a sexual offence by an adult on the person of a child under fifteen years of age is punished by five years' imprisonment and a fine of €75,000."

French Penal Code

"Normal love isn't interesting. I assure that it's incredibly boring," an unrepentant Polanski is on the record as saying, and soon after he landed in France, he started dating 15-year-old Nastassja Kinski. In 1989, he married French actress Emmanuelle Seigner, then 23.

asiaone.com/News/Latest+News/Showbiz/Story/A1Story20090927-170258.html

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe

[BIGDAN]

There's no alleging here. He DID date 15 year old Nastassia Kijnksi (probably spelled wrong) when he was 41. I'd call that creepy, wouldn't you?

Nastassja Kinski

http://en.wikipedia....astassja_Kinski

What gets me about the French is this, INTERPOL the Worlds Police Force's HQ is in Lyon, a French City, and they wont let the US Extradite a Wanted Fellon, you just cant trust a Frog, not then, not now, not ever.

Regards, Danny

Still Looking.

[eternal light]

Speaking of extradition...

Under a treaty with the US, France can refuse to extradite its own citizens even if they face criminal charges.

telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/switzerland/6237182/Roman-Polanski-arrested-and-facing-extradition-over-sex-with-under-age-girl.html

February 3, 1893, Wednesday

Page 4, 497 words

WASHINGTON, Feb. 2 -- The Senate this afternoon, in an executive session lasting three hours and a half, completed the consideration of the French extradition treaty, and at the close of the discussion ratified it.

query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9F05E2DE103BEF33A25750C0A9649C94629ED7CF

EXTRADITION

Treaty Series 561

1909 U.S.T. LEXIS 67

January 6, 1909, Date-Signed

July 27, 1911, Date-In-Force

STATUS:

[*1] Treaty signed at Paris January 6, 1909

Senate advice and consent to ratification, with an amendment, April 5, 1909 n1

n1 The U.S. amendment called for striking out the words "by statute or" after the word "Piracy" in art. II, para. 13 a.

The text printed here is the amended text as proclaimed by the President.

Ratified by the President of the United States, with an amendment, May 25, 1911 n1

Ratified by France June 27, 1911

Ratifications exchanged at Paris June 27, 1911

Proclaimed by the President of the United States July 26, 1911

Entered into force July 27, 1911

Supplemented by conventions of January 15, 1929, n2 April 23, 1936, n3 and February 12, 1970 n4

expatintelligence.com/extradition-treaty-france.shtml

[DOCID: f:td013.105]

From the Treaty Documents Online via GPO Access

[wais.access.gpo.gov]

105th Congress Treaty Doc.

SENATE

1st Session 105-13

_______________________________________________________________________

EXTRADITION TREATY WITH FRANCE

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MESSAGE

from

THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

transmitting

EXTRADITION TREATY BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND FRANCE,

SIGNED AT PARIS ON APRIL 23, 1996

frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=105_cong_documents&docid=f:td013.105

[Dzldoc]

Alright! enough of this S**T!, Send the M**ah F***ah to Luziana we have a way of dealing with maggots like him. It's not unusual for someone to get lost in the swamps and never be heard from again. Word!

[Del Zeppnile]

It actually does matter if someone suffers broken bones, bleeds or requires reconstructive surgery. On a violence scale of 1-10, 1 being the least impact and 10 the worst, this crime rates closer to 1 than 10. There are much worse rapes being committed today.

On the retard scale of 1-10 that comment rates about an 84

God I hope you don't have a drivers licence or own any sharp objects, because I am beginning to fear that you are a danger to yourself and others.

[hillsy]

He should fucking hang.

He drugged and raped a child.

I dont understand how anyone can even begin to defend the twisted fuck

[Swede]

It was not violent compared to some of the rapes that are happening today in Sweden, where the women are left bloodied and obviously harmed.

Wow, that's typical Swedish?! I didn't know.

[planted]

Alright! enough of this S**T!, Send the M**ah F***ah to Luziana we have a way of dealing with maggots like him. It's not unusual for someone to get lost in the swamps and never be heard from again. Word!

Oh, but don't you know that two wrongs don't make a right? Remember my post earlier about turning the perp over to the male members of the vic's family??? Public opinion says we are the ones out of line here. Whateva.

That's a GREAT pic, btw.

[eternal light]

Wow, that's typical Swedish?! I didn't know.

Maybe not typical for the past, but current events are, if you google sweden and rape.

I do not condone personal attacks or unnecessary violence. Actions in self-defense or the reasonable defense of others during the commission of a crime are alright, but any unnecessary force used after the fact is probably just another crime.

latimesblogs.latimes.com/the_big_picture/2009/10/is-hollywood-really-a-hotbed-of-support-for-roman-polanski.html

October 6, 2009 | 12:56 pm

With all the studio hirings and firings in the last 24 hours, I've been too busy to revisit until now one of the most wonderfully bizarre twists in the Roman Polanski case. For days on end, I've been reading stories everywhere about how the Hollywood elite has rushed to Polanski's defense, saying he should be released from custody in Switzerland, seemingly glossing over that in 1977 he gave a 13-year-old girl champagne and a Quaalude and had sex with her.

There is no disagreement about the sex. But I take issue with all the stories -- including this latest one from Wall Street Journal critic Terry Teachout -- that claim Hollywood's support of Polanski is evidence of just how out of touch the movie industry is with the rest of the world. Teachout bashes all of the "Hollywood celebrities" who have rushed to Polanski's defense, starting with Harvey Weinstein, who was quoted in a story in my paper, describing Polanski's vile conduct as a "so-called crime." Teachout rattles off the names of a host of filmmakers -- including Woody Allen, Jonathan Demme, Sam Mendes, Mike Nichols and Martin Scorsese -- who signed an international petition that "demands the immediate release of Roman Polanski."

There's only one problem: All of those filmmakers, along with Harvey Weinstein, live far, far away from Hollywood and, with occasional exceptions, make their movies outside of Hollywood as well. If you look up the rest of the names on the best-known petition in circulation, it is filled with the names of foreign filmmakers, writers and actors -- including the likes of Pedro Almodovar, Wong Kar Wai, Alfonso Cuaron, Isabelle Adjani and Salman Rushdie -- who also rarely set foot in Hollywood. If critics like Teachout want to claim that high-brow artists and writers have rushed to Polanski's defense, fair enough. But to say that Hollywood is in his corner, as part of a political argument that Hollywood is a liberal elite woefully ignorant of mainstream values, is just hogwash.

There's no petition going around with the names of the real Hollywood elite -- A-list filmmakers and studio chiefs like Steven Spielberg, Alan Horn, James Cameron, Amy Pascal, Jerry Bruckheimer, Brian Grazer, Tom Rothman, J.J. Abrams, John Lasseter or Michael Bay -- because the real Hollywood elite isn't supporting Polanski. In fact, they haven't offered the slightest hint of backing for Polanski. It's only European and New York-based artists, who clearly see the world in a very different light than the real Hollywood elite.

To that point, I'd like to let you read a lively essay from screenwriter Josh Olson, who's best known for earning an Oscar nomination for his script for "A History of Violence." In this essay, which he wrote for The Times, he makes some of the same points I've just made but in a much more personal, not to mention entertaining, fashion. He even takes the paper to task for some of our coverage. And while I think we've done an outstanding job of covering the Polanski story, I think we're always open to constructive criticism. So look at what Olson has to say -- he certainly doesn't pull any punches. Keep Reading:

The other day the Times ran a story titled "In Roman Polanski case, is it Hollywood vs. Middle America?" by John Horn and Tina Daunt. In that Mr. Horn and Ms. Daunt seem to believe that Hollywood exists as a monolithic entity, let me answer for Hollywood. No. It's not. And thank you for asking. Sadly, I suspect that that isn't the answer they were looking for. They state that "Hollywood is rallying behind the fugitive filmmaker." Well, speaking as someone who actually lives and works right in the heart of the city and the business, I can assure you that this isn't even remotely true.

Their entire argument rests on just three things -- an incredibly poorly conceived off-the-cuff comment by Whoopi Goldberg, a petition that Harvey Weinstein is circulating, and that there isn't a great hue and cry from Hollywood demanding that Polanski be brought to justice. I cannot speak to Ms. Goldberg's painfully unfortunate comment, except to say that I have no doubt she didn't mean it to come out quite the way it did. As for the lack of a hue and cry, I'm not entirely sure what we're supposed to do.

I cannot pretend, as some have, to have spent the last thirty years gnashing my teeth at the fiend Polanski's escape from justice, but neither can I pretend to be outraged that a convicted criminal who fled prosecution has been caught. Perhaps I missed the meeting where these things were explained, but it just never occurred to me that I was supposed to stage a rally when something happened that doesn't bother, interest or affect me in the least.

Melissa Silverstein is quoted as saying, "I think people are afraid to talk in Hollywood. They are afraid about their next job." Well, she's half right. We're all scared about our next job. That's the nature of the business. You never know where the next paycheck is coming from. What we are NOT, however, is sitting around fretting about whether or not Roman Polanski will be displeased with us if we publicly state that we think raping children is a bad thing.

As a rule, when I read the news that a fugitive from justice has been caught, my standard response is to think, "How nice," and turn the page. If it's a particularly interesting story, I might tell my girlfriend about it, but until this moment it never occurred to me that I was supposed to alert the media as to my feelings on the subject. It's hard enough keeping up with all the injustice in the world. Now we have to stand up and shout every time it goes the way it's supposed to? No offense to Ms. Silverstein, but some of us have jobs.

Then there’s Jonathan Kuntz, who’s quoted as believing “the local reaction may be a version of the ‘there, but for the grace of God, go I.’" Well, again, no, but thank you for the extremely ugly insinuation, and when DID you stop beating your wife, Mr. Kuntz? Does it occur to ANY of these people that we’re not all sitting around in a clubhouse smoking crack, patting each other on the back and hoping not to get caught molesting children?

But there’s still the elephant in the room -- the petition. (There are actually TWO petitions, but they’re both making the same point.) The major thrust of the article -- that Hollywood is completely out of touch with mainstream America, that we’re rallying behind Polanski, that we’re all a bunch of sex-crazed degenerates eager to deflower your sons and daughters pretty much rests on these petitions.

In fact, it’s those petitions that seem to be fueling all the rage around this issue right now. Because some people have expressed support for Polanski, it’s assumed the rest of us agree, else we’d have come up with our own petition. All those Hollywood types defending that awful man, and no one standing up for the other side. It’s shameful.

The problem is, it all collapses if you actually look at the petitions. So Mr. Hollywood here did just that. I took a little time off from burning flags and pushing crack to schoolchildren and did the damn work, which is more than any of the people flogging this story can claim. I do things like that from time to time, particularly when I’m being confronted with assertions that fly in the face of all reason, and especially when those assertions imply that I’m some kind of moral deviant.

Between the two petitions, there are approximately 650 signatures. Of those 650, I noted everyone who could conceivably be considered a member of the Hollywood community. My rule was, basically, if you've done substantive and recognizable work for a Hollywood studio in the last four decades, you get counted. I guarantee you, some of these people would not be thrilled to be labeled Hollywood players, but I’m trying to be accommodating to the opposition here.

You know what I was left with? You know how many of those 650 people I was able to fit into a box labeled Hollywood? Thirty-six names.

The Times refers to some of the people who signed the petition by name, and it’s the same names I’ve read in similar pieces the last day or so. They cite Martin Scorsese, David Lynch, Michael Mann, Mike Nichols, Woody Allen and Neil Jordan. Well, yes. Those gentlemen do seem to be on the list. The implication, of course, is that that’s a representative sampling of the petition signers. It’s not. It’s not even representative of the thirty-six.

There are maybe eight more names on the list that come close to the level of fame and achievement those folks enjoy. The rest of the names ... well, if you’re a hard-core movie fan, as I am, you’ll probably recognize most of them. But we’re talking foreign actors and directors who’ve done a small handful of American films, a couple mid-level producers, some writers and directors who have, as far as I know, been retired for decades, a composer or two, and others of that nature. Not exactly an overwhelming mountain of support.

Nonetheless, the Times describes the signers as “More than 100 industry leaders and prominent authors." This is a profoundly deceptive statement, bordering on being an outright lie. Obviously, you’re meant to interpret that the industry being led is Hollywood, but at most, there are fifteen names on the list that could possibly be defined as industry leaders, and that’s being generous. Hell, there aren’t even 100 Americans on the list. And if there’s an industry leader among Patrick Braoudé, Dominique Crevecoeur, Jean-Yves Chalangeas, Didier Martiny, Petter Skavlan, Alejandra Norambuena Skira, or Zdzicho Augustyniak, then it is some other country’s industry, and I’m not entirely sure that industry is film.

Worse, this deceptive statement has been picked up and is spreading. At least one internet “news” source mangled it into “Over 100 Hollywood Celebs Sign Petition for Roman Polanski Release,” which isn’t even deceptive. It’s a ridiculous and bald-faced lie. But please, don’t take my word for it. The links to the petitions are below, and I urge you to take the time to do what I did.

But however you slice it, thirty six names... hell, I’ll spot you ten to compensate for my own ineptitude. FORTY six names of people who’ve worked in Hollywood is not the same thing as Hollywood, even if they all march in a straight line and speak in unison. It’s standard procedure for the entertainment media to engage in monolithic thinking. They do it every year at the Oscars, and it’s always fun to read what message we were sending via the Oscars when, really, we were all just voting for the work we thought was best, just like everyone else who watched at home with friends and wagered a buck each.

But if you HAVE to try to read some sort of monolithic movement into this petition, you might want to take it up with the French, because there’s hundreds of them on there. There’s also a significant number of Spanish petitioners. (You might want to take into account that the age of consent in Spain is 13 before you drag out the pitchforks and torches, though.) But as far as Hollywood’s concerned, we’re not rallying behind anyone, and it sure would be nice if folks could find a way of discussing this issue without creating ridiculous and childish caricatures of people who have nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Towards the end of the piece, we’re treated to this jaw-dropping bit of whimsy: “it's almost impossible to find anyone publicly condemning Polanski.” I’m compelled to point out that it’s not entirely easy finding people who support him, either. It’s so hard, in fact, that you have to do some serious number-fudging to make it look like you found any at all. And I have to wonder, did you ASK anyone? Because, as I said earlier, alerting the media that you don’t have a problem with a fugitive from justice being caught is not exactly normal behavior. That nobody does it is hardly evidence that everyone supports crime.

In the next day or so, there will be all sorts of petitions flying around town from people in response to this article, and all the other poorly reasoned anti-Hollywood rants that have arisen from this situation. Countless of my fellow filmmakers will attest to the fact that they think Polanski should be brought to America to face his punishment. It will make some difference, I’m sure, but the damage has been done. The stupid questions have already been asked, and cannot be un-asked. Anyone who doesn’t sign these petitions will now be suspect to all the lazy reporters, internet bloggers, conservative mouthpieces, and talk radio mouth-breathers who are so up in arms.

But some of us won’t sign the damn thing, because if we accede to the ludicrous demand that we sign petitions stating that it’s a good thing when wanted criminals are brought to justice, the next thing they’ll demand is that we take loyalty oaths. I don’t need to see Melissa Silverstein, Jonathan Kuntz or, frankly, ANYONE sign a petition telling me that they disapprove of molesting children. I don’t need them to swear under oath that they think it’s good for a fugitive from justice to be hauled in. I’ll take it on faith, because I assume that, in spite of their penchant for drama and their apparent need to demonize people they know nothing about, they’re mostly decent people.

It’d be lovely if they’d grant the same courtesy to me.

-Patrick Goldstein

[Dzldoc]

Oh, but don't you know that two wrongs don't make a right? Remember my post earlier about turning the perp over to the male members of the vic's family??? Public opinion says we are the ones out of line here. Whateva.

That's a GREAT pic, btw.

Actually that was meant to be dark humor.

He has the right to go through the system same

as you and I.

I wouldn't advocate anything less and thanks for the comp on the pic.

I'll post video of me in action soon.

Peace!

Charlie

[eternal light]

Sign the petition for Roman Polanski.

bernard-henri-levy.com/la-petition-de-la-regle-du-jeu-grossit-par-ordre-alphabetique-tous-les-signataires-2423.html

Sign the petition for Roman Polanski!

The revised Rules of the Game, directed by Bernard-Henri Lévy, is committed along with Roman Polanski and mobilizes around its petition writers and artists.

"Looked like a common terrorist, Saturday, September 26th, Zurich, when he came to receive an award for lifetime achievement, Roman Polanski's asleep now in prison.

He faces extradition to the United States on a matter of thirty years old whose main complainant repeated hue and cry that she has forgotten this story and abandoned any idea of prosecution.

At 76 years old, a survivor of Nazi and Stalinist persecution in Poland, Roman Polanski may end his life in prison for acts that would normally be prescribed in Europe.

We asked the Swiss Federal Justice of the release immediately and do not turn this great filmmaker as a martyr of a legal and political imbroglio unworthy of two democracies such as Switzerland and the United States. Common sense, as that honor, they invite. "

To sign the petition send an email with your full names to the magazine The Rules of the Game: redaction@laregledujeu.org

-Translation courtesy of Google

Signez la pétition pour Roman Polanski !

La revue La Règle du jeu, dirigée par Bernard-Henri Lévy, s'engage aux côtés de Roman Polanski et mobilise autour de sa pétition écrivains et artistes.

« Appréhendé comme un vulgaire terroriste, samedi soir, 26 Septembre, à Zurich, alors qu'il venait recevoir un prix pour l'ensemble de son uvre, Roman Polanski dort désormais en prison.Il risque l'extradition vers les Etats-Unis pour une affaire vieille de trente ans dont la principale plaignante répète à cor et à cri qu'elle a oublié cette histoire et abandonné toute idée de poursuites.

Agé de 76 ans, rescapé du nazisme et des persécutions staliniennes en Pologne, Roman Polanski risque de finir sa vie dans une geôle pour des faits qui devraient être normalement prescrits en Europe.

Nous demandons à la justice fédérale helvétique de le remettre en liberté immédiatement et de ne pas transformer ce génial cinéaste en martyr d'un imbroglio juridico-politique indigne de deux démocraties telles que la Suisse et les Etats-Unis. Le bon sens, autant que l'honneur, y invitent. »

Pour signer la pétition envoyez un email avec vos noms et prénoms à la revue La Règle du Jeu : redaction@laregledujeu.org

[Deborah J]

Alright! enough of this S**T!, Send the M**ah F***ah to Luziana we have a way of dealing with maggots like him. It's not unusual for someone to get lost in the swamps and never be heard from again. Word!

Great picture! As I was also a raised Luzianan, I know what you are saying. A lot of people used to and probably still do end up as alligator bait...as you said "never to be heard from again".

[Anjin-san]

Hi all,

Alright! enough of this S**T!, Send the M**ah F***ah to Luziana we have a way of dealing with maggots like him. It's not unusual for someone to get lost in the swamps and never be heard from again. Word!

C,is that a Thompson???

Hey,geek,....boggie,you heard what I said Roman,...

KB

[Dzldoc]

Great picture! As I was also a raised Luzianan, I know what you are saying. A lot of people used to and probably still do end up as alligator bait...as you said "never to be heard from again".

[Dzldoc]

Hi all,

C,is that a Thompson???

Hey,geek,....boggie,you heard what I said Roman,...

KB

That would be a Thompson, actually a high end replica of a .45 cal 1927 model sub machine gun although it's a semi-auto with a 50 round drum or a 30 round clip. Have to have a special permit to own a full auto.