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Big Klu

You dont like THE CLASH because

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Which looks like 2007 fashion, and which would sound like 2007 music?

Agreed. I said on the old forum, Zep should have done a serious image make over in 79-80. Page tested it out tepidly at Knebworth, Jones cut his hair for 1980. That's something at least. In keeping with their 'ever onward' motto, they should have re-vamped the look, Townshend did it for the early 80's Who concerts. He ditched the classic rock 70's look entirely. Page would have looked good back then in short hair. Put that with those taliored suits he wore in 1980, you have a sharp looking dude.

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Yea, thats not the slam dunk you think it is.

1977

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1977

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Which looks like 2007 fashion, and which would sound like 2007 music?

Funny neither band looks or sounds like the Gangstah Rappers or the Corporate Cookiecutter Knickleback rock bands of today.

I was talking about their influence on pop culture back in each bands heyday !!!

RjK

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Funny neither band looks or sounds like the Gangstah Rappers or the Corporate Cookiecutter Knickleback rock bands of today.

RjK

dragon suit and womens blouse [retro]

vs casual dress and art/slogan splashed t shirts [current]

long hair [retro]

vs short shaggy hair [current]

rangey/girly sounding singer [retro]

vs natural-ish vocals [current]

5-8 minute tunes [retro]

vs 2-5 minute tunes [current]

In their heyday, Punk mattered more because it was a lifestyle and viewed as a social threat to the establishment. Punks cut their hair and dressed the part. Zep influenced other bands, but I dont see them influencing pop culture. People dressed/talked/acted like Zep?

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dragon suit and womens blouse [retro]

vs casual dress and art/slogan splashed t shirts [current]

long hair [retro]

vs short shaggy hair [current]

rangey/girly sounding singer [retro]

vs natural-ish vocals [current]

5-8 minute tunes [retro]

vs 2-5 minute tunes [current]

In their heyday, Punk mattered more because it was a lifestyle and viewed as a social threat to the establishment. Punks cut their hair and dressed the part. Zep influenced other bands, but I dont see them influencing pop culture. People dressed/talked/acted like Zep?

Everything Punk stood for back in 76-77 was anti-establishment and Punk targeted Led Zepplin as The Establishment. Therefore Led Zepplin as representing the establishment directly influenced Punk and the whole Punk anti-social lifestyle therefore they influenced pop culture.

You can't have an anti-establishment with out an establishment so thank you Big Klu for proving my point and therefore proving why Led Zepplin have 20 million people trying to get tickets for a gig 27 years after they disbanded and the Clash and Punk are where ........ ???

RjK

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Everything Punk stood for back in 76-77 was anti-establishment and Punk targeted Led Zepplin as The Establishment. Therefore Led Zepplin as representing the establishment directly influenced Punk and the whole Punk anti-social lifestyle therefore they influenced pop culture.

The MC5, Stooges, Kinks, UK recession/Margaret Thatcher, Neo-Fascism, New York Dolls and Ramones influenced punk. Led Zeppelin influenced them? :blink:

You can't have an anti-establishment with out an establishment so thank you Big Klu for proving my point and therefore proving why Led Zepplin have 20 million people trying to get tickets for a gig 27 years after they disbanded and the Clash and Punk are where ........ ???

RjK

Wtf?

Your point was not who was the establishment, it was who had a bigger influence on pop culture. Today it is punk, and in the late 70's it was punk. Calling Zep the establishment is hillarious considering all the fanboys and photogroupies on lz.com would argue for Zep as a huge underground band that snuck under the radar and weren't on Don Kirshners Rock Show and whatnot.

Wheres Punk? Everywhere you see funky piercings, hairdos, goth/emo, shirts with slogans and so on because those are directly or indirectly made acceptable because of the Punk movement.

Where are The Clash now?

In the history books not planning reunions, because no nobody replaces Joe Strummer.

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The MC5, Stooges, Kinks, UK recession/Margaret Thatcher, Neo-Fascism, New York Dolls and Ramones influenced punk. Led Zeppelin influenced them? :blink:

Wtf?

Your point was not who was the establishment, it was who had a bigger influence on pop culture. Today it is punk, and in the late 70's it was punk. Calling Zep the establishment is hillarious considering all the fanboys and photogroupies on lz.com would argue for Zep as a huge underground band that snuck under the radar and weren't on Don Kirshners Rock Show and whatnot.

Wheres Punk? Everywhere you see funky piercings, hairdos, goth/emo, shirts with slogans and so on because those are directly or indirectly made acceptable because of the Punk movement.

Where are The Clash now?

In the history books not planning reunions, because no nobody replaces Joe Strummer.

You don't know when to quite do you, my point is that Punk would not have been able to exist without something to Rebel against ( the establishment ) therefore if they never existed they would never of had an impact on pop culture period. I did not pick Led Zeppelin out of thin air your 70's punks did that, all I am saying is they used Zeppelin as an representative of the establishment to rebel against. Therefore Led Zeppelin directly influenced Punk and any pop culture that spawned from their teenage angst.

If you think Punk is responsible for making funky piercings, hairdos, goth/emo, shirts with slogans more socially acceptable thats fine but you can't say they started these trends out of thin air they all existed long before Punk did.

Punk is over why don't you admit it to yourself and move on, Joe Strummer did !!!

RjK

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I did not pick Led Zeppelin out of thin air your 70's punks did that, all I am saying is they used Zeppelin as an representative of the establishment to rebel against.

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Thats The Clash rebelling.

I don't think zep wearing nazi SS headgear onstage really qualifies them as Nazis, but feel free to make your case.

If you think Punk is responsible for making funky piercings, hairdos, goth/emo, shirts with slogans more socially acceptable thats fine but you can't say they started these trends out of thin air they all existed long before Punk did.

RjK

By all means, provide examples....

Punk is over why don't you admit it to yourself and move on, Joe Strummer did !!!

Move on from what?

I wasn't alive when punk broke out and I've never been in the Punk circles. I mean fuck, does the picture of me in the avatar even look Punk? :blink:

.....

Joe's dead.

But if I give you more credit than you deserve and say you meant Joe Strummer and The Mescaleros then yeah, he moved on and was making the best music of his career before he died.

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Only have a couple of good songs in my opinion.

London Calling is pretty much it, I don't remember the names of any of their other ones I like, but there are a few.

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I'm amazed this thread continues on like it has. Maybe I should start a thread about The Jam and see how far that one goes.

My guess is not as far as this one..........

Regards;

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I'm amazed this thread continues on like it has. Maybe I should start a thread about The Jam and see how far that one goes.

My guess is not as far as this one..........

Regards;

please, no, don't start with the Jam ... ! it's hard to read on this thread and see that most of the people (not all) really don't know the punk movement and maybe less the punk music: so can you imagine it about the Mod movement and skinheads etc??

I don't know if this thread is about the punk music or the clash: to me it seems about the clash ... so let's talk about the clash

I loved them (as I wrote) and they started an interesting crossover between reggae and rock that sounded really interesting and fun.

Don't forget that most of the punks (of the 77 era) listened to reggae music (and they danced).

Led Zeppelin, as real musicians, looked at the punk movement with interest (did they wrote wearing and tearing as a response to punk music, isn't it?) and i.e. attended to The Damned gigs ... (they were friend of the Runaways .. but it's another story :D )

So what? if you really know the clash you can't say it's crap (except fot Cut the crap album :angry: ) because it's so different and it started with real punk music (the clash) ending to reggae-dub music (sandinista).

To all against one musical genre: are you talking about the 77 punk (Police, Stranglers, Sham69, Stiff Little Fingers, Jam, Damned, Ramones etc.), the 82 punk (US hardcore), the 91 punk (more hardcore) or the "modern" punk like those ridicolous bands Blink 182, Sum 44, Green Day etc?

There's only one more thing to say: most of todays rock music exists because of led zeppelin and because of punk too ... never forget this

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http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/articl...t_id=1003710679

Exclusive: Clash Live DVD Due In April

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The Clash

Jonathan Cohen, N.Y.

A host of rare live Clash performance clips will be found on "The Clash Live: Revolution Rock," due on DVD April 15 via Epic/Legacy. PBS will broadcast excerpts from the film in early March, Billboard.com can reveal.

Among the highlights are 1977 performances of "Capital Radio" and "What's My Name" for Granada TV, "Guns of Brixton" from the ABC show "Fridays," "The Magnificent Seven" and "This Is Radio Clash" from a 1981 visit to "The Tomorrow Show With Tom Snyder" and footage from the 1983 US Festival, the Clash's last gig with Mick Jones.

"Revolution Rock" was produced by close Clash associate Don Letts, who contributed some of his own B-roll footage to the project. Bonus features include band interviews from 1981 from the Snyder show and NBC's "Live at Five."

Here is the track list for "Revolution Rock":

"Complete Control" (From "The Essential Clash")

"I Fought the Law" (Jan. 1979, London Lyceum)

"Police & Thieves" (Jan. 1980, Aylesbury Friars)

"What's My Name" (Nov. 1977, Manchester Elizabethan Suite)

"Capitol Radio One" (Nov. 1977, Manchester Elizabethan Suite)

"White Riot" (April 1977, Beaconsfield Studios)

"I'm So Bored With the U.S.A." (Nov. 1978, Manchester Apollo)

"London's Burning" (April 1978 London Victory Park)

"1977" (April 1977, Beaconsfield Studios)

"(White Man) In Hammersmith Palais" (July 1978 Glasgow Apollo)

"Tommy Gun" (1978)

"Safe European Home" (July 1978, London Music Machine)

"London Calling" (June 1981, New York Bonds International Casino)

"Clampdown" (Feb. 1980, Lewisham Odeon)

"The Guns of Brixton" (April 1980, "Fridays")

"Train in Vain" (Feb. 1980, Lewisham Odeon)

"This Is Radio Clash" (June 1981, "The Tomorrow Show")

"The Magnificent Seven" (June 1981, "The Tomorrow Show")

"Brand New Cadillac" (Feb. 1982, Tokyo Sun Plaza)

"Should I Stay or Should I Go" (Oct. 1982, New York Shea Stadium)

"Know Your Rights" (May 1983, US Festival)

"Career Opportunities" (Oct. 1982, New York Shea Stadium)

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http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/articl...t_id=1003710679

Exclusive: Clash Live DVD Due In April

clash_the_01l.gif

The Clash

Jonathan Cohen, N.Y.

A host of rare live Clash performance clips will be found on "The Clash Live: Revolution Rock," due on DVD April 15 via Epic/Legacy. PBS will broadcast excerpts from the film in early March, Billboard.com can reveal.

Among the highlights are 1977 performances of "Capital Radio" and "What's My Name" for Granada TV, "Guns of Brixton" from the ABC show "Fridays," "The Magnificent Seven" and "This Is Radio Clash" from a 1981 visit to "The Tomorrow Show With Tom Snyder" and footage from the 1983 US Festival, the Clash's last gig with Mick Jones.

"Revolution Rock" was produced by close Clash associate Don Letts, who contributed some of his own B-roll footage to the project. Bonus features include band interviews from 1981 from the Snyder show and NBC's "Live at Five."

Here is the track list for "Revolution Rock":

"Complete Control" (From "The Essential Clash")

"I Fought the Law" (Jan. 1979, London Lyceum)

"Police & Thieves" (Jan. 1980, Aylesbury Friars)

"What's My Name" (Nov. 1977, Manchester Elizabethan Suite)

"Capitol Radio One" (Nov. 1977, Manchester Elizabethan Suite)

"White Riot" (April 1977, Beaconsfield Studios)

"I'm So Bored With the U.S.A." (Nov. 1978, Manchester Apollo)

"London's Burning" (April 1978 London Victory Park)

"1977" (April 1977, Beaconsfield Studios)

"(White Man) In Hammersmith Palais" (July 1978 Glasgow Apollo)

"Tommy Gun" (1978)

"Safe European Home" (July 1978, London Music Machine)

"London Calling" (June 1981, New York Bonds International Casino)

"Clampdown" (Feb. 1980, Lewisham Odeon)

"The Guns of Brixton" (April 1980, "Fridays")

"Train in Vain" (Feb. 1980, Lewisham Odeon)

"This Is Radio Clash" (June 1981, "The Tomorrow Show")

"The Magnificent Seven" (June 1981, "The Tomorrow Show")

"Brand New Cadillac" (Feb. 1982, Tokyo Sun Plaza)

"Should I Stay or Should I Go" (Oct. 1982, New York Shea Stadium)

"Know Your Rights" (May 1983, US Festival)

"Career Opportunities" (Oct. 1982, New York Shea Stadium)

I'm totally there.

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And I'm the 2 year old ............ lol

I'll put it simple for ya The Clash were a good band and sold alot of records but when it comes down to what band had a bigger influence on pop culture well we all know the answer to that one don't we.

So why are you so angry at me for pointing out the obvious ? Is it perhaps a hangover from listening to too much Clash or Sex Pistols and you feel you have to prove to your Forum buddies that your somehow more of a man than me ??? Or are you suffering from the small man complex ??? C'mon what is it kakdaddy ???

See ya on Springer cowboy !!!

RjK

1) I don't care if the Clash sold a lot of records, it's irrelevant. I also don't care who had a bigger influence on pop culture but if I were to point it out I do see more people on the street wearing Dr. Martens than I do wearing Dragon outfits with Poppies on them.

2) I'm not mad at you & you didn't point out anything obvious on this post or the ones that followed. It's the same argument I've been hearing close to 30 years.

3) I don't have any friends on the forum. I'm not more of a man than you, I'm just simply a man. You are simply a child & you may graduate to man status one day. Maybe.

4) I'm 5'9" 170lbs. I'm not Goliath, I'm not Napoleon. The mirror says I'm just right. No complex.

5) What is it? Every now & then I feel the need to educate dolts. It usually doesn't take, as in your case, but what the hell I'm bored.

6) Springer, no. Steve Wilkos, yes. And I would never wear a Stetson, it would mess up my quiff.

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I don't like "The Clash" because Kakdaddy does! Kak also likes Billy Squier and re-runs of John Stamos on "Full House"...

well i like a couple Clash songs, but never got "into" them...hey kak, how are you? Hows NYC treating you? Sorry i missed you, you left so soon.

1) You don't like the Clash because you don't want anyone else in my life... this chick has dug me for years! B, there is room enough for you and "Sandinista" in my life so put the claws away.

2) Billy Squier? Stamos? Don't know what you're talking about. By the way I will ship you season 1 of "The Coreys" from A&E, in case you don't already have numerous copies.

3) NYC is treating me like Osama Bin Laden. "They" want me dead, "they" never quite catch me, but "they" keep bombing my various caves. Can't I just bartend in peace & meet a nice Latina who isn't out of her mind? Didn't think so.

4) Of course you miss me... I'm kakdaddy.

5) I recieved your pm's, I'll talk to you tomrrow. I missed you too B or whatever secret name you go by this week. Love, Dan.

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I can't believe you figured out who i am so easily. wink. Well i am very happy to see you. Seems like a lifetime ago, or was it i've been to hell and back! Love you too.

I could tell not so much by the STAMOS & Billy Squier references but by the melodramatic song lyrics in your signature. What, nothing from Bono? Surely the lyrics to "Running To Stand Still" somehow relate to some part of your current life. No? How about "Freedom" from Wham!?

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Agreed. I said on the old forum, Zep should have done a serious image make over in 79-80. Page tested it out tepidly at Knebworth, Jones cut his hair for 1980. That's something at least. In keeping with their 'ever onward' motto, they should have re-vamped the look, Townshend did it for the early 80's Who concerts. He ditched the classic rock 70's look entirely. Page would have looked good back then in short hair. Put that with those taliored suits he wore in 1980, you have a sharp looking dude.
Why? Why did they have to change their look - because fashion dictated it? Surely the whole point of being 'cool' is not giving a fu*k what 'fashion' or 'the times' say you should wear?

Ironically, the Clash and many of the bands of the time went for quiffs and short jeans straight out of the 50s - and when Plant tried to change his image and follow fashion he looked fecking ridiculous - see jumpsuit and espadrilles.

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please, no, don't start with the Jam ... ! it's hard to read on this thread and see that most of the people (not all) really don't know the punk movement and maybe less the punk music: so can you imagine it about the Mod movement and skinheads etc??

I know it can be more than a bit disconcerting but I've never let the mostly "classic rock" nature of this board keep me from starting a thread about any artist. Thing is, you never know 'til you try. I started a thread here (on the old board) about John Prine and was amazed at how many people knew who he was. Not everyone is looking for Zep clones and is stuck in the past.

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I'm listening to the Jam right now, a beautiful Ray Davies-esque song called "Liza Radley". There's no ranting or raving about rebellion, just a lovely little English number.

The punk/mod movement was not always about "rebellion". I don't think the Ramones for example, were concerned about toppeling any goverment, starting riots, or making grand social statements. When they sang about standing on a street corner eating chicken vindaloo, they were singing about standing on a street corner eating chicken vindaloo. In their case they were singing about what they liked, what they knew, & keeping it simple like they were as people. Punk bands, for some reason, always get pigeonholed about the rebellion thing when the case is most of them really just wanted to have fun, which I guess was the rebellion. Having fun.

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Not everyone is looking for Zep clones and is stuck in the past.

if you're referring to me ... oh, how far from the truth! I'm not stuck in the past at all, mostly on music tastes (zep clones? puàh = it's a real punk spit)

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DVD Looks Back On The Clash's 'Revolution'

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The Clash

Wes Orshoski, N.Y.

After a relative flurry of films, DVDs and reissues to arise in the wake of Clash frontman Joe Strummer's death, fans are again being treated to another archival project in the form of the new DVD "Revolution Rock."

Among the highlights of the performance footage collection is a rendition of "Know Your Rights" from the fabled 1983 US Festival in San Bernardino, Calif., the site of guitarist/vocalist Mick Jones' final performance with the band.

To read the remainder of the article click here.

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Bumping this thread for those that don't know how to use the Search feature.

I don't really see the need, this thread is more than 3 years old and isnt really a "clash fan" thread anyway. Can there only ever be one thread about any band?

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