Anjin-san Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Hi all, Happy 234th birthday America! KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyPageZoSo56 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 I've been watching The Revolution on the history channel all day. super awesome and super intense reenactments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776. The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world. He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good. He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them. He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only. He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures. He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people. He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within. He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands. He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers. He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries. He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance. He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures. He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power. He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation: For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us: For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States: For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world: For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury: For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies: For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments: For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever. He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us. He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people. He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation. He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands. He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions. In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people. Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends. We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor. The 56 signatures on the Declaration appear in the positions indicated: Column 1 Georgia: Button Gwinnett Lyman Hall George Walton Column 2 North Carolina: William Hooper Joseph Hewes John Penn South Carolina: Edward Rutledge Thomas Heyward, Jr. Thomas Lynch, Jr. Arthur Middleton Column 3 Massachusetts: John Hancock Maryland: Samuel Chase William Paca Thomas Stone Charles Carroll of Carrollton Virginia: George Wythe Richard Henry Lee Thomas Jefferson Benjamin Harrison Thomas Nelson, Jr. Francis Lightfoot Lee Carter Braxton Column 4 Pennsylvania: Robert Morris Benjamin Rush Benjamin Franklin John Morton George Clymer James Smith George Taylor James Wilson George Ross Delaware: Caesar Rodney George Read Thomas McKean Column 5 New York: William Floyd Philip Livingston Francis Lewis Lewis Morris New Jersey: Richard Stockton John Witherspoon Francis Hopkinson John Hart Abraham Clark Column 6 New Hampshire: Josiah Bartlett William Whipple Massachusetts: Samuel Adams John Adams Robert Treat Paine Elbridge Gerry Rhode Island: Stephen Hopkins William Ellery Connecticut: Roger Sherman Samuel Huntington William Williams Oliver Wolcott New Hampshire: Matthew Thornton This is not a myth. 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Electrophile Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Ah yes, the 4th of July. The day people get piss-drunk, set off small explosives and stuff their faces with all manner of grilled meats. None of which in any way reflects upon the significance of the day or why it's celebrated in the first place. A Marist poll was released a few days ago that showed 26% of Americans don't know the country from which we gained our independence. 20% didn't know the answer at all and 6% gave the wrong answer. Laugh.....cry.....you be the judge. Happy 4th to those who celebrate it. Don't blow anything up, don't under-cook your hamburgers, don't get drunk and remember why you get to do those things in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted July 4, 2010 Author Share Posted July 4, 2010 `Hi all, Thanks Liz for positive take. UAH. Set off fireworks,over cook and have a grand old time!!!! KB Atlas,thanks for the posting of the document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Ah yes, the 4th of July. The day people get piss-drunk, set off small explosives and stuff their faces with all manner of grilled meats. None of which in any way reflects upon the significance of the day or why it's celebrated in the first place. A Marist poll was released a few days ago that showed 26% of Americans don't know the country from which we gained our independence. 20% didn't know the answer at all and 6% gave the wrong answer. Laugh.....cry.....you be the judge. Happy 4th to those who celebrate it. Don't blow anything up, don't under-cook your hamburgers, don't get drunk and remember why you get to do those things in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripmender Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. Unless of course you happened to be an INDIGENOUS American Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangani Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Happy 4th to those who celebrate it. Don't blow anything up, don't under-cook your hamburgers, don't get drunk and remember why you get to do those things in the first place. Because of course if America was like Canada and Australia in the Commonweath they would never be able to do all of the above. Do Americans really think the British in the late 18th century were akin to Nazis? Wonder why it took them 150 years to 'revolt' then??? The American colonists certainly didn't mind being under 'British control' in the recently previous French and Indian War. Happy 4th July anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mangani Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Unless of course you happened to be an INDIGENOUS American Even they came from Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamired Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 At the company that I work, many have to work this 4th. I felt lucky for not being one of them and just returned from dropping of a food contribution for a employee lunch to be held later today. My donation was surrounded by mojo pork, black beans and rice, plantains, etc. This makes me insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The same thing happens in Miami on Thanksgiving!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course, the above events will also be celebrated with little or no English and Latino music. This is not about my expressing hate. I just know that I am on the edge of speaking up the next time that I am exposed to such disrespect for America and it's holiday's. Why don't they get it, why don't they frigging get it? Like I would bring corned beef and cabbage to a Cinco De Mayo celebration?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (don't mean to imply the Mexican's with wrong doing in the particular case today) Happy 4th, America! Thanks for letting me vent guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Happy 4th of July to all my American friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledzepfvr Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Happy 4th of July to my friends and citizens of the United States and also to those around the world that enjoy freedoms in life based on democracy. It may not be perfect system yet, and Thomas Jefferson knew that it will always need tweeking as civilization progresses, but it is a far cry better than what some human beings have to endure in some parts of the world. I plan to throw some shrimp on the bar-be, have a beer, and maybe go the local minor league ball park for a game and fireworks. Life is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Hi all, Happy 234th birthday America! KB Hi Kev and T Y'all, Many Happy Returns to all my Yankee Doodler Friends and Rebel Rousers, of which i am one of course. I hope you have all really enjoyed those 234 years of Freedom my dear fiends, but the Party is now over and we want "IT" back, so "Pack Up You're Troubles In You're Old Kit Bag" and "Jog On" because Our/Your Queen will be wanting her troubled Colony back, so please don't be a Party Pooper and we wont be too judgemental on y'all when we dish out the retributions. Very Kind Regards me Ole Revolutionary Mate, Danny PS, Here's a little ditty i wrote just for you my American Brother Kev. We Are The Dakota We are the Dakota We come from Minnesota We're all tall and thin and scary And our horses are all hairy Everywhere that you walk You will see our tomahawk With our shields and our spears We will chase away your fears If you wanna have a go All you Blackfeet and Crow Wait a sec half a mo I can see, Arapaho All you Ponca all you Hopi Ride on a shaggy Pony Its all mangy skin and bony Not like a fat Shoshone Around the back of our Tepee You can have a Wee Wee If you wanna take a crap Don't forget to close the flap Applause. Not bad for a Scurvy Limey Scumbag hey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rover Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 The Declaration's relationship to slavery was taken up in 1854 by Abraham Lincoln, a little-known former Congressman who idolized the Founding Fathers. Lincoln thought that the Declaration of Independence expressed the highest principles of the American Revolution, and that the Founding Fathers had tolerated slavery with the expectation that it would ultimately wither away. President Lincoln famously expressed this belief in the opening sentence of his 1863 Gettysburg Address: "Four score and seven years ago [i.e. in 1776] our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danelectro59 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Hear, hear! Let's throw away our political differences for one day and unite as citizens of this nation to enjoy the freedom we have endured for 234 years. I don't know where you're at, but here in SE Michigan, it's typical 4th of July weather. Temps around 90 and plenty of sun. Great day to go boating, biking or just kick back and enjoy. Happy 4th to all of you, whether you're an American citizen or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danelectro59 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 PS, Here's a little ditty i wrote just for you my American Brother Kev. We Are The Dakota We are the Dakota We come from Minnesota We're all tall and thin and scary And our horses are all hairy Everywhere that you walk You will see our tomahawk With our shields and our spears We will chase away your fears If you wanna have a go All you Blackfeet and Crow Wait a sec half a mo I can see, Arapaho All you Ponca all you Hopi Ride on a shaggy Pony Its all mangy skin and bony Not like a fat Shoshone Around the back of our Tepee You can have a Wee Wee If you wanna take a crap Don't forget to close the flap Applause. Not bad for a Scurvy Limey Scumbag hey? cool! think ya' started something here, Dan. If you think you're a Mohawk We must surely talk If you're thinking Shawnee You know where i'll be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGDAN Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 cool! think ya' started something here, Dan. If you think you're a Mohawk We must surely talk If you're thinking Shawnee You know where i'll be. Hi 'danelectro59' Luv it mate, do you think we could start a new topic with this? Absarokely. Abenarki, Absaroke, You can text or you can walk If you're calling from a tree You must be a Muskogee Teton, Santee, Cheyenne or Ute Bring a Drum, Guitar, or Flute Biloxi Dave and Mandan Pete You're welcome round there's tonnes too eat For Fox Sauk give us a Pint(o). Regards, Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danelectro59 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Hi 'danelectro59' Luv it mate, do you think we could start a new topic with this? Absarokely. Abenarki, Absaroke, You can text or you can walk If you're calling from a tree You must be a Muskogee Teton, Santee, Cheyenne or Ute Bring a Drum, Guitar, or Flute Biloxi Dave and Mandan Pete You're welcome round there's tonnes too eat For Fox Sauk give us a Pint(o). Regards, Danny If you're hangin' with the Navajo You'll surely wanna score some blow If you runnin' with the Huron tribe You're certainly gonna need a bribe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pagemccartney95 Posted July 4, 2010 Share Posted July 4, 2010 Happy 4th of July to all Americans. Have fun, be safe, and enjoy your freedom. And thanks to Atlas for posting that incredible document. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted July 4, 2010 Author Share Posted July 4, 2010 Hi all, I started this thread as a celebration,that was all.Get my meaning? Brother Danny and Ally,thanks for bringing it back! Danny,your no scumbag,the title is reserved! danelectro59,yes,today we will just be Americans. Happy 4th everyone,... KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Even they came from Asia. It's not clear that all of them came from Asia. Last time I looked around my neighborhood, there sure seemed to be a goodly number of people with ancestry or Pre-Columbian American origin. Folk from Western Europe are an aging minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted July 5, 2010 Author Share Posted July 5, 2010 Thanks for paying attention. UAH's. KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Thanks for paying attention. UAH's. KB Enjoy that BBQ bro ! Hope everyone had a great day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lzzoso Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Ah yes, the 4th of July. The day people get piss-drunk, set off small explosives and stuff their faces with all manner of grilled meats. None of which in any way reflects upon the significance of the day or why it's celebrated in the first place. A Marist poll was released a few days ago that showed 26% of Americans don't know the country from which we gained our independence. 20% didn't know the answer at all and 6% gave the wrong answer. Laugh.....cry.....you be the judge. Happy 4th to those who celebrate it. Don't blow anything up, don't under-cook your hamburgers, don't get drunk and remember why you get to do those things in the first place. Let me ask you this, Electrophile. Why would you give Snide comments or questions to people (especially) AMERICANS about the Significance of July the 4th? July 4, of any Year means different things to different AMERICANS. I happen to know that the 13 Colonies Won and Gained their (OUR) Independence from the British (English). Let me ask You this?: Have You never gotten (piss) drunk, set off fireworks or ever stuffed your face with any manner of grilled meats on July 4th? If You have then I think YOU may be a a very Hypocritical person to ask such a question. By the way, I Love MY Country, the Great and all - Powerful UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. And by the way, who the Fuck is this Marist and why are they polling AMERICANS about the significance of July the Fourth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripmender Posted July 5, 2010 Share Posted July 5, 2010 Das neue 'Spezialrelationship' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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