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To continue on the thread title: Around the time of Houses of the Holy, John Paul Jones also almost quit Zeppelin as well. What I had read over the years was that it had to do with too much touring.

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IMHO, Plant actually became a better singer and lyricist after leaving Led Zeppelin and most if not all of Page's post-1980 tour performances surpass those of the '77-'80 era of the band. It's impossible to know but I think if JPJ had left the group they would have carried on together but as a new group with a new name.

I don't know about Mr. Plant being a better singer after Zep, just cuz I always think he sounds great... But better lyricist? Indeed. His writing got better. And it wasn't too bad in the 70s, either. I used to be hard on him, but I think I get it now....

And Mr. Plant woulda been a great teacher! I gave it some thought. I've listened to some bootlegs...

"Good evening."

*crowds murmurs*

"No, I said "Good evening!"

*crowd murmurs more clearly*

"That's better..."

:D It just makes me wanna sing "Good Morning to All" and give him an apple.

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Sorry bout that, i really did mean that Jones leaving in 74 would have been worse. It was all one big typo lol!

Thats fine, its all about opinion.................MINE lol, its all good mate :)

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Now this is a civil discussion and nice to see. I agree with so many comments and disagree with others. All I can say is that it must have been everything lining up just perfectly to get these four in the same room. They knew the first time they got together that they had something. They did stay true to their musical direction...and it was the fans that were crucial as the press beat the hell out of them or dismissed them in the early days. I have stated this before, I cannot imagine the Led Zeppelin as we all know and love being anything other than those four! All equally as important to the music they created. And live, hell as far as I am concerned nobody could beat the stage presence they had.I am listening to the Rain Song right now and still after all these years I am amazed at the sheer beauty in their music and I can't even tell you how many times I have heard this. Just happens to be what I have playing.

We lost Bonham and I am just glad we still have the remaining three with us, doing what they enjoy. I saw JPJ Feb 2010 with TCV and will be seeing Robert Feb 5th...still hoping Jimmy comes out with something new if that brings him happiness...because they have brought me so much joy with their music.

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Kudos Deborah on a great post! I agree and may i add that the music that was created by these 4 was pure honesty, adventurous, kind, fun, sad, romantic & loving, nasty and bold, emotional and just simply REAL. To me that is the magic of Led Zeppelin.So many twists and turns, interpetations and improvised live to the extreme . To me if they sold out or continued after Bonzo passed away tragically it would have destoyed the intregity of what they created and stood for. By no means was Zeppelin a monster. I can in no way say the relationships were strained after the death of Karac Plant bcz there is NO WAY I could believe that even though Page and Jones didnt attend the funeral that they werent sympathetic or respectful to their bandmate and more importantly their dear friend for his tragic loss being simply bcz they were both fathers themselves and they just arent the type to not care as what was implied in some posts. Besides if that was the case it would have ended right there which it didnt. Alls i know if people speculate like that then they just dont get Led Zeppelin or their artistry of their music and the RESPECT they had for each other as friends and bandmates!

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All Things Must Pass....George Harrison

Zep had seen it all and done it all. The real challenge was redefining themselves. Personally, I feel that Jimmy was winding down as the 'architect' of the band and Robert and Jonesy were coming to the fore. They were successful and no longer the young hungry artists they used to be. Not to say that there were spent, but they'd run 10 years - and I think from that perspective, with Bonham gone - they were secure enough to break up and go their own ways, and to ponder a new future.

Had Bonzo died earlier - circa 1973 or 74 - I wonder if Zep would have imploded in the same manner or carried on. Perhaps. Perhaps not...but the fact is they weren't putting out an album every year by the end of the 70s. The new album might have come in 1980 or '81? Maybe we were all spared the march to synthesizers that began to appear - tastefully - on In Through the Out Door. I sense that Plant and Jones had new ideas. We missed out on the next step of evolution but I sense it was not meant to be either. The Gods spared Zep hair metal, new wave and drum machines...

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How many of you would have loved a tour though after the o2 show ? I mean I agree Bonzo is not there. the people on here who say Zeppelin died with him etc, etc but if there had been a tour...it would have been the biggest tour machine in history...it would have blown any other tours out of the water, they would have reached new heights...but never mind, Plant did do the right thing, it would of been difficult to keep the level of performance they had at the O2 going through a year long tour. That gig goes down in folklore now.....

Glad Plant didn't leave anyway in 77 as we wouldn't have ITTOD :)

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I can see why Robert feels the way he does, I understand, he lost his son and then his best friend, just losing your son is enough to make someone want to quit life.

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I just wanted to add that no matter what the remaining members of Zep tried to achieve on their own, no matter

how you spin it, with Bonzo gone, or ANYONE else potentially gone, not only would there be no Zep, all the solo

projects that were done always had huge holes. This doesn't mean there weren't some very good/excellent solo

projects or tours. But for me, Jimmy in particular has sounded the most lost; he really did depend on the band 

tremendously, he had a hell of a time finding a drummer who could compliment him like Bonzo. Of course

these were new projects, etc., but the comparison to Zep was very disconcerting for me. I thought all the remaining

members would come out blazing. No, although Robert came out pretty strong. And it wasn't just Karac, Plant does

make veiled references about Page's serious "afflictions" even concerning the 77' tour.

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