Anjin-san Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Hi all, 1979 all over again,... There is no present or future---only the past,happening over and over again---now. Eugene O'Neill A Moon for the Misbegotten KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidersandsnakes Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Hi all, 1979 all over again,... Eugene O'Neill A Moon for the Misbegotten KB Who knows....they might say this about the 80s and the fall of the Berlin Wall one day too....get what I mean.....HHMMMMMMMMMMMMM???!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock N' Rollin' Man Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 Fucked up turn of events today. Al Jazeera: The security forces of Hosni #Mubarak are attacking the revolutionary protesters in Tahrir Square with machetes. #Egypt "Mubarak is asking the people to choose between him or chaos created by him & his supporters " Violence in #Tahrir Sq is solely resp of #Mubarak. Thugs belong 2 Mubarak. No violence past few days bec no Mubarak forces there In my part of Tahrir, pro-#Mubarak mobs arrived in buses, armed w/ machetes, straight-razors & clubs, very menacing #Jan25 Mubarak supporters on horseback charge Tahrir Square BREAKING: Journalist on the phone with Jazeera claims that at least 200 killed today in Tahrir AlJaz reporter, near tears: The men are protecting us while the women huddle in the center, chanting. #jan25 /via @weddady Some thugs/killers caught by people say they were paid 100 Egyptian pounds per person from #Mubarak Junta #Egypt #Jan25 Confirmed : most of The Thugs Who Captured By The protesters are Police officers #Egypt #Mubarak #Tahrir #Jan25 It's so vital that world understands this is not a divided #Egypt. This is the state attacking the people. #jan25 #tahrir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock N' Rollin' Man Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 http://www.facebook.com/elshaheeed.co.uk Mubarak thgus are throwing fire bombs on Egyptian Musuem which carries 1/3 of world heritage. They are setting it on fire. @waelabbas: witness:Tank commander put a pistol in his mouth to commit suicide, his soldiers stopped him & burst out crying. Pro Democracy & Freedom are being slaughtered by Mubarak. Plz take an a...ction now. Contact the white house, contact your leaders & Representatives. Show your support. It's a sad day for humanity. A day when peaceful law abiding protesters were attacked by Mubarak's paid thugs while the world leaders were watching. Tahrir square lights are switched off, 500 peaceful protesters wounded, an army watching its people being murdered & a dictator prevails. It's a sad world to live in. I'm ...not sure if I believe in democracy anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock N' Rollin' Man Posted February 2, 2011 Author Share Posted February 2, 2011 http://jnthnwrght.blogspot.com/ It's time someone spelled out in detail what would happen if Egyptians accepted President Mubarak's plan to step down in September and allow elections for a new president under a new constitution, and why the protest movement should be so wary of his intentions. The new constitution would be drafted and approved by the existing parliament, which is completely controlled by the ruling National Democratic Party after rigged elections last year. Even if the government fulfils its promise to respect court rulings invalidating the voting in some constituencies and holding a new round of voting in those areas, the opposition has no guarantee that the police and ruling party will ensure a fair vote. Even if improved elections are held, it would probably dilute the NDP's dominance only to a marginal extent. The authorities have habitually ignored court rulings that do not suit their interests. The government and ruling party have a long record of making merely cosmetic amendments to the constitution, as they have done twice in the last six years. Although billed as 'reforms', the amendments have even had the effect of restricting the right to stand for election, especially for the presidency, and diluting the provisions for electoral fairness. In fact, under the existing 'improved' constitution, only the NDP presidential candidate would have the right to stand. Mubarak did not mention the crucial question of judicial supervision of elections, which proved so irksome to their rigging efforts in 2005 and which was abolished under the subsequent amendment. Likewise, he gave no guarantee on election monitoring, either by Egyptian or international organisations. Without judicial supervision or independent monitoring, the door is wide open for more electoral abuses of the traditional variety. In theory, Mubarak and his vice president are offering dialogue with the opposition during preparations for elections. But past experience, not just in Egypt but elsewhere, is that dialogue without a balance of power can only end in favour of the strong. The regime would simply ignore opposition proposals that it does not like. Over the eight months before presidential elections are due in September, the police corps and especially the Central Security riot police would be reconstituted and would be available for use in suppressing all forms of public protest. The government has used Central Security in the past for preventing access to police stations while intimidated civil servants and NDP thugs stuff ballot boxes and perpetrate other forms of electoral fraud. [Pretty long read the rest at above link.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwi_Zep_Fan87 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I'm sorry, but attacking and kidnapping people who were just doing their job to bring the world a minute by minute update on the horrid events unfolding in Egypt is just inexcusable! Journalists attacked, detained AP – A pro-government demonstrator and anti-government protestor argue in Tahrir square, the center of anti-government … By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA, Associated Press Christopher Torchia, Associated Press – Wed Feb 2, 4:14 pm ET CAIRO – Supporters of President Hosni Mubarak unleashed their fury on the media Wednesday, beating and threatening journalists who were covering fierce battles between pro- and anti-government crowds in central Cairo. The New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists accused the Egyptian government of orchestrating attacks on reporters in an attempt to deprive the world of independent information about the unrest. Paris-based Reporters Without Borders said "infiltrated policemen" had joined the assaults. The Egyptian government denied the allegations. CNN's Anderson Cooper was among those roughed up during a chaotic day in which Mubarak backers turned out in force for the first time in nine days of protests against his autocratic rule. Cooper said he, a producer and camera operator were set upon by people who began punching them and trying to break their camera. "This is incredibly fast-moving," he said. "I've been in mobs before and I've been in riots, but I've never had it turn so quickly." A journalist for Dubai-based Al-Arabiya television suffered a concussion, said media watchdog International Press Institute, citing Randa Abul-Azm, the station's bureau chief in Cairo. The attacks appeared to reflect a pro-government view that many media outlets are sympathetic to protesters who want Mubarak to quit now rather than complete his term. On Tuesday night, Mubarak pledged not to run in elections later this year, and the army urged people to cease demonstrating. In Wednesday's fighting, security forces did not intervene as thousands of people hurled stones and firebombs at each other for hours in and around the capital's Tahrir Square. ABC's Christiane Amanpour said she could tell how the mood had changed from previous days after arriving in the square. "You could smell it there," she said. "I just wondered what this was going to bode for the day." She quickly found out: Thugs surrounded Amanpour and her crew shouting "We hate Americans" and "Go to hell," she said. Amanpour decided to leave and her team got into a car. They were surrounded by a crowd that began rocking and pounding on the car, she said. Then someone threw a rock that shattered the windshield. The ABC team escaped unhurt. The Egyptian government has used "blanket censorship, intimidation, and today a series of deliberate attacks on journalists carried out by pro-government mobs," said Mohamed Abdel Dayem, Middle East and North Africa program coordinator at the Committee to Protect Journalists. CPJ cited a report by independent daily Al-Shorouk in Cairo that men described as "plainclothes police" attacked their headquarters Wednesday, injuring two reporters and smashing a camera. There were reported assaults on journalists for the BBC, Danish TV2 News and Swiss television. Two Associated Press correspondents were also roughed up. "We strongly condemn these attacks and urge all parties to refrain from violence against journalists, local or foreign, who are simply trying to cover these demonstrations and clashes for the benefit of the public," Anthony Mills, press freedom manager for Vienna-based IPI, said in a statement. "We are particularly concerned at suggestions that the attacks may have been linked to the security services," he said. Government spokesman Magdy Rady said the assertion of state involvement in street clashes and attacks on reporters was a "fiction," and that the government welcomed objective coverage. "It would help our purpose to have it as transparent as possible. We need your help," Rady said in an interview with The Associated Press. However, he said some media were not impartial and were "taking sides against Egypt." Also Wednesday, Israeli media said four Israeli journalists in Egypt were arrested for violating the nightly curfew and working on tourist visas. Three were later released. Israel Radio said one of the journalists worked for an Arabic-language portal based in the Israeli Arab town of Nazareth. Israel's Channel 2 TV denied reports that three of its reporters were among those detained. Israel's Foreign Ministry released a statement calling on Israeli reporters in Egypt to "remain alert, act responsibly and follow the rules." Egyptian state television reported Tuesday night that foreigners were caught distributing anti-Mubarak leaflets, in what appeared to be an effort to depict the protest movement as foreign-fueled. The government restored Internet service on Wednesday after having shut it down since last week, apparently to thwart protesters from organizing. The website of Belgium's Le Soir newspaper said Belgian reporter Serge Dumont, whose real name is Maurice Sarfatti, was beaten Wednesday while covering a pro-Mubarak demonstration and taken away by unidentified people dressed as civilians. The paper said Sarfatti had been able to call the paper to tell them he had been taken to a military post. "They are saying I'm going to be taken to see security services. They accuse me of being a spy," the paper's website quoted him as saying. Le Soir said Sarfatti uses the byline Serge Dumont and that he also works for Switzerland's Le Temps and France's La Voix du Nord newspapers. A reporter for Turkey's Fox TV, his Egyptian cameraman and their driver were abducted by men with knives while filming protests Wednesday, but Egyptian police later rescued them, said Anatolia, a Turkish news agency. There was no information on why the crew was held or circumstances surrounding their release. A correspondent and a cameraman working for Russia's Zvezda television channel were detained by men in plainclothes and held overnight Tuesday, Anastasiya Popova of Vesti state television and radio said on air from Cairo. "All of their equipment, cameras and all cassettes, were taken from them, they were taken to a house and blindfolded," Popova said. They were questioned, she said, "but today they took them to the outskirts of town and let them go without any explanation." ___ Associated Press writers David Bauder in New York, Angela Doland in Paris, Lynn Berry in Moscow, Suzan Fraser in Ankara, Turkey, and Mark Lavie in Jerusalem contributed to this report. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermedalist Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Christine Amanpour and Cooper Anderson are both lucky to be alive. Get out of that fucking place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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spidersandsnakes Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I'm sorry, but attacking and kidnapping people who were just doing their job to bring the world a minute by minute update on the horrid events unfolding in Egypt is just inexcusable! Journalists attacked, detained AP A pro-government demonstrator and anti-government protestor argue in Tahrir square, the center of anti-government … By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA, Associated Press Christopher Torchia, Associated Press Wed Feb 2, 4:14 pm ET CAIRO Supporters of President Hosni Mubarak unleashed their fury on the media Wednesday, beating and threatening journalists who were covering fierce battles between pro- and anti-government crowds in central Cairo. The New York-based Committee to Protect Journalists accused the Egyptian government of orchestrating attacks on reporters in an attempt to deprive the world of independent information about the unrest. Paris-based Reporters Without Borders said "infiltrated policemen" had joined the assaults. The Egyptian government denied the allegations. CNN's Anderson Cooper was among those roughed up during a chaotic day in which Mubarak backers turned out in force for the first time in nine days of protests against his autocratic rule. Cooper said he, a producer and camera operator were set upon by people who began punching them and trying to break their camera. "This is incredibly fast-moving," he said. "I've been in mobs before and I've been in riots, but I've never had it turn so quickly." A journalist for Dubai-based Al-Arabiya television suffered a concussion, said media watchdog International Press Institute, citing Randa Abul-Azm, the station's bureau chief in Cairo. The attacks appeared to reflect a pro-government view that many media outlets are sympathetic to protesters who want Mubarak to quit now rather than complete his term. On Tuesday night, Mubarak pledged not to run in elections later this year, and the army urged people to cease demonstrating. In Wednesday's fighting, security forces did not intervene as thousands of people hurled stones and firebombs at each other for hours in and around the capital's Tahrir Square. ABC's Christiane Amanpour said she could tell how the mood had changed from previous days after arriving in the square. "You could smell it there," she said. "I just wondered what this was going to bode for the day." She quickly found out: Thugs surrounded Amanpour and her crew shouting "We hate Americans" and "Go to hell," she said. Amanpour decided to leave and her team got into a car. They were surrounded by a crowd that began rocking and pounding on the car, she said. Then someone threw a rock that shattered the windshield. The ABC team escaped unhurt. The Egyptian government has used "blanket censorship, intimidation, and today a series of deliberate attacks on journalists carried out by pro-government mobs," said Mohamed Abdel Dayem, Middle East and North Africa program coordinator at the Committee to Protect Journalists. CPJ cited a report by independent daily Al-Shorouk in Cairo that men described as "plainclothes police" attacked their headquarters Wednesday, injuring two reporters and smashing a camera. There were reported assaults on journalists for the BBC, Danish TV2 News and Swiss television. Two Associated Press correspondents were also roughed up. "We strongly condemn these attacks and urge all parties to refrain from violence against journalists, local or foreign, who are simply trying to cover these demonstrations and clashes for the benefit of the public," Anthony Mills, press freedom manager for Vienna-based IPI, said in a statement. "We are particularly concerned at suggestions that the attacks may have been linked to the security services," he said. Government spokesman Magdy Rady said the assertion of state involvement in street clashes and attacks on reporters was a "fiction," and that the government welcomed objective coverage. "It would help our purpose to have it as transparent as possible. We need your help," Rady said in an interview with The Associated Press. However, he said some media were not impartial and were "taking sides against Egypt." Also Wednesday, Israeli media said four Israeli journalists in Egypt were arrested for violating the nightly curfew and working on tourist visas. Three were later released. Israel Radio said one of the journalists worked for an Arabic-language portal based in the Israeli Arab town of Nazareth. Israel's Channel 2 TV denied reports that three of its reporters were among those detained. Israel's Foreign Ministry released a statement calling on Israeli reporters in Egypt to "remain alert, act responsibly and follow the rules." Egyptian state television reported Tuesday night that foreigners were caught distributing anti-Mubarak leaflets, in what appeared to be an effort to depict the protest movement as foreign-fueled. The government restored Internet service on Wednesday after having shut it down since last week, apparently to thwart protesters from organizing. The website of Belgium's Le Soir newspaper said Belgian reporter Serge Dumont, whose real name is Maurice Sarfatti, was beaten Wednesday while covering a pro-Mubarak demonstration and taken away by unidentified people dressed as civilians. The paper said Sarfatti had been able to call the paper to tell them he had been taken to a military post. "They are saying I'm going to be taken to see security services. They accuse me of being a spy," the paper's website quoted him as saying. Le Soir said Sarfatti uses the byline Serge Dumont and that he also works for Switzerland's Le Temps and France's La Voix du Nord newspapers. A reporter for Turkey's Fox TV, his Egyptian cameraman and their driver were abducted by men with knives while filming protests Wednesday, but Egyptian police later rescued them, said Anatolia, a Turkish news agency. There was no information on why the crew was held or circumstances surrounding their release. A correspondent and a cameraman working for Russia's Zvezda television channel were detained by men in plainclothes and held overnight Tuesday, Anastasiya Popova of Vesti state television and radio said on air from Cairo. "All of their equipment, cameras and all cassettes, were taken from them, they were taken to a house and blindfolded," Popova said. They were questioned, she said, "but today they took them to the outskirts of town and let them go without any explanation." ___ Associated Press writers David Bauder in New York, Angela Doland in Paris, Lynn Berry in Moscow, Suzan Fraser in Ankara, Turkey, and Mark Lavie in Jerusalem contributed to this report. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________ ...and of course, the culprits who did that are pro_mubarak I would imagine...even they were anti_mubarak, it's unacceptable:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrum Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I have no sympathy for 'journalists' That's the chance they take so deal with it. Besides, it'll make a great chapter in their upcoming biography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidersandsnakes Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I heard that the RIGHT-WING Rais of Egypt said "I would step down but I fear for the chaos in my country...." ....isn't he "sweet", the ruddy bas***d!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanna be drummer Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 I heard that the RIGHT-WING Rais of Egypt said "I would step down but I fear for the chaos in my country...." ....isn't he "sweet", the ruddy bas***d!!!! To a point I can understand this line of thiknking. What the hell kind of government is the mob going to establish? Who will the military listen to once the original government is taken down? Who controls them? Not taking sides, merely pointing out problems with choosing a side in this conflict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidersandsnakes Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 To a point I can understand this line of thiknking. What the hell kind of government is the mob going to establish? Who will the military listen to once the original government is taken down? Who controls them? Not taking sides, merely pointing out problems with choosing a side in this conflict That's because he shouldn't have gotten power in the first place......ya gotta have yer head on yer shoulders when you go to vote :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Rider Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 They should choose someone who is popular to lead, and include remedies that insure better representation of the whole of the people, as well as individuals. Mubarak still has a role in all of this, but power can no longer be concentrated only in him. Others must also have a stake in the outcome. Power naturally corrupts, so it is better that more people share power; it is less damaging that way. It's the balance of power that matters. But as long as civil unrest persists, the people need to find a way to restore peace and order, without violence if possible, because the dangers are real and imminent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TypeO Posted February 4, 2011 Share Posted February 4, 2011 That's because he shouldn't have gotten power in the first place......ya gotta have yer head on yer shoulders when you go to vote :) Mubarek wasn't elected. He was appointed Vice President under Anwar Sadat and assumed the Presidency when Sadat was assassinated. To his credit, he established actual multi-candidate elections instead of the referendum votes (no challenger, as established by the Egyptian constitution, not Mubarek) that kept him in office for so long. True, it was in response to mounting pressure, but he did it, nonetheless. So he was hardly the Saddam Hussein of Egypt, as you seem to be portraying him in this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Hi all, Islam and democracy won't work,.... KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyPageZoSo56 Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I am just concerned that if the situation isn't handled carefully, Hamas or Al Qaeda could get in. That being said, I have been following up on the new lately and reading the paper about whats going on. I don't want America instigating shit and sending troops over to occupy the country but if we have to send troops to keep the peace, that's fine. I just worry that Obama is going to make the same mistake Bush did by sending troops to overseas just to get fucked over again .... I don't need another fucking government instigated war (reason I say that is because I read that America is coming up with a plan to kick out Mubarak). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidersandsnakes Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Hi all, Islam and democracy won't work,.... KB Ezy said isn't it:)....are you presuming that Christianity and democracy are working? Just because there is no fighting and upheavals in the streets doesn't mean that things are working in Christian countries...of Hindu or Buddhist countries for that matter:)!! Just the fact that the Church andthe Vatican are covering up man's worst CRIME = paedophilia, should be well enuf to HANG 'EM ALL....Islamand democracy won't work my ASS:):) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidersandsnakes Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Mubarek wasn't elected. He was appointed Vice President under Anwar Sadat and assumed the Presidency when Sadat was assassinated. To his credit, he established actual multi-candidate elections instead of the referendum votes (no challenger, as established by the Egyptian constitution, not Mubarek) that kept him in office for so long. True, it was in response to mounting pressure, but he did it, nonetheless. So he was hardly the Saddam Hussein of Egypt, as you seem to be portraying him in this discussion. Wrong again......mockelections were indeed held, but kept secret from international eyes (just like they're trying todonow by stopping journalists do trheir job, etc.). Sure , Sadat was MURDERED and guess who might have had a hand in that CRAPPY affair???! Wanna drop a name?Mubarak andhis henchmen...could it be??!:). Oh Mubarak is MORE than the SH of Egypt...he's the WORST RIGHT-WING CULPRIT after Adolf Hitler::) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidersandsnakes Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I am just concerned that if the situation isn't handled carefully, Hamas or Al Qaeda could get in. That being said, I have been following up on the new lately and reading the paper about whats going on. I don't want America instigating shit and sending troops over to occupy the country but if we have to send troops to keep the peace, that's fine. I just worry that Obama is going to make the same mistake Bush did by sending troops to overseas just to get fucked over again .... I don't need another fucking government instigated war (reason I say that is because I read that America is coming up with a plan to kick out Mubarak). By blackglove at 2011-01-31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Ezy said isn't it:)....are you presuming that Christianity and democracy are working? Just because there is no fighting and upheavals in the streets doesn't mean that things are working in Christian countries...of Hindu or Buddhist countries for that matter:)!! Just the fact that the Church andthe Vatican are covering up man's worst CRIME = paedophilia, should be well enuf to HANG 'EM ALL....Islamand democracy won't work my ASS:):) Were on this planet does Islam and democracy work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliet Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Earlier this week @ 3:30 a.m. I was awake and heard actor, Omar Sharif, being interviewed live on The BBC WORLD NEWS..He supports the young people in their pursuit for a new beginning.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryingbluerain Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Oh Mubarak is MORE than the SH of Egypt...he's the WORST RIGHT-WING CULPRIT after Adolf Hitler::) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidersandsnakes Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Were on this planet does Islam and democracy work? Where on this planet do any religion and "democracy" work???!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidersandsnakes Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 I know very well the history of Arab nations confabulating with Hitler's Nazi Germany to wipe out the Jews...and the Arab countries in question were (and still are today) the RIGHT-WING Pro -Western countries like the Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Turkey, etc.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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