snapper Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I seriously can't see how this can be on the DVD. To me it seems beyond repair, it's not like it can be fixed with an edit because the song never fully recovers after the trainwreck at 7min.'s 30sec.s, it just fizzles out. My guess is it will be left out but will be included in the full production rehearsal bonus disc (praying). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Funny how nobody in the audience noticed any "trainwreck" at all. And I can't imagine that show without Dazed and Confused, and neither could they, as Robert said when introducing it. It's Zep live. It'll be on the DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-ocean87 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Funny how nobody in the audience noticed any "trainwreck" at all. And I can't imagine that show without Dazed and Confused, and neither could they, as Robert said when introducing it. It's Zep live. It'll be on the DVD. I don't believe they'll release the complete show, BUT I hope so. How could Jimmy fix it?? Maybe with a different camera angle. But hard to imagine. Hopefully, Jimmy will not overdub so much of the audio. He should put the original audio on it, no repairs like on all the other official live-stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBgoode Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 what? what is this? Is my bootleg different or something? Honestly, I understand they messed up but to call it a train wreck is just to far. This is no where near the Live Aid gig where pretty much nothing good happened, to leave out this song (or any of the songs) would be a major mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ledded1 Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Rubbish idea to leave it out. It's what it was and still is and was part of the show. I want the whole thing in all it's glory, mistakes and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Imagine them leaving out the moment when Jimmy produced the bow . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I seriously can't see how this can be on the DVD. To me it seems beyond repair, it's not like it can be fixed with an edit because the song never fully recovers after the trainwreck at 7min.'s 30sec.s, it just fizzles out. My guess is it will be left out but will be included in the full production rehearsal bonus disc (praying). Can't see why he would leave anything out. It'll be Zeppelin fans who buy the DVD and all of us know what happened. If anything, the recovery showed just how honest, classy and professional the band really is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 Funny how nobody in the audience noticed any "trainwreck" at all. And I can't imagine that show without Dazed and Confused, and neither could they, as Robert said when introducing it. It's Zep live. It'll be on the DVD. Ok. if you say so. Personally, I don't think D&C would have been missed had they not played it. I also doubt it will be on the DVD without edits/inserts of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandDeschain Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Ok. if you say so. Personally, I don't think D&C would have been missed had they not played it. I also doubt it will be on the DVD without edits/inserts of some sort. I think it would have been missed I mean come on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 I think it would have been missed I mean come on... Not by me. Plus, they left out the coolest parts of the song anyway's... and still fucked it up (Jason). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluecongo Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 I think it'll be left off, but not so much because they f**ked it up, but because Jake Holmes is currently suing Zeppelin over the song and they prolly don't want to pay him any more than they have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquamarine Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Ok. if you say so. Personally, I don't think D&C would have been missed had they not played it. I also doubt it will be on the DVD without edits/inserts of some sort. It's not if I say so, Plant said so. He said when doing a gig like that, there was one song that had to be included. Then they played it. It was the only song all night he said was essential. Where does the notion come from that Zeppelin were EVER perfect live? It's no wonder Plant doesn't want to tour again, given the impossible and unrealistic expectations. Personally I think it would be as boring as hell if ANY band played perfectly throughout the show, note for note like the album--where's the risk or excitement in that?--the risk and excitement of improvisation that Zep were always known for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Posted February 22, 2011 Share Posted February 22, 2011 Well said Aquamarine. As far as power and mystery is concerned, Dazed and Confused is the band's tour de force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesehead1204 Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 It really wasn't that bad of a mistake, especially since they recovered quite smoothly. I wouldn't mind it being in the final DVD. It's not like they've never made mistakes in concert before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 Can't see why he would leave anything out. It'll be Zeppelin fans who buy the DVD and all of us know what happened. I've never seen or heard the performance. Bits and pieces here and there, yes but I haven't seen the entire performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutrocker Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 It's not like they've never made mistakes in concert before. Exactly! Compared to, say, the amount of fucked up "Kashmir"'s they played in the old days, the 02 D&C screw up pales in comparison. Normally the mistakes leap out at me...I barely noticed the one in D&C (granted, I was higher than a kite the first time I heard the show ) I say, put the whole damn show out, warts and all, or don't bother at all. Four or five tunes on a compilation disc featuring all the acts would just be a teaser (not to mention a bit of an insult to the legion of fans who couldn't make the gig) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted February 23, 2011 Author Share Posted February 23, 2011 Exactly! Compared to, say, the amount of fucked up "Kashmir"'s they played in the old days, the 02 D&C screw up pales in comparison. Normally the mistakes leap out at me...I barely noticed the one in D&C (granted, I was higher than a kite the first time I heard the show ) I say, put the whole damn show out, warts and all, or don't bother at all. Should they leave the feedback in too? The show needs some 'fixing' here and there and there's nothing wrong with that. Example: IMTOD where the drums first come in Page's volume is turned down and misses the first 2 chords, that will be fixed, as it should be. My problem with Dazed is that the mistake happens at such a crucial part of the song and never seems to fully recover after that. I'd prefer they 'fix it' (if possible) rather than leave it as is. Obviously it seems to bother me more than others, not trying to cause trouble here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted February 23, 2011 Share Posted February 23, 2011 I've never seen or heard the performance. Bits and pieces here and there, yes but I haven't seen the entire performance. It's on Youtube. No matter though, in the scheme of things, I think the mistake is a non issue when you look at the show as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutrocker Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Should they leave the feedback in too? The show needs some 'fixing' here and there and there's nothing wrong with that. Example: IMTOD where the drums first come in Page's volume is turned down and misses the first 2 chords, that will be fixed, as it should be. My problem with Dazed is that the mistake happens at such a crucial part of the song and never seems to fully recover after that. I'd prefer they 'fix it' (if possible) rather than leave it as is. Obviously it seems to bother me more than others, not trying to cause trouble here. No worries, Snapper...I'm just a 'warts and all' kind of guy. I'm sure every officially released concert DVD/live album has some post production tweaking; the 02 gig will be no exception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ywyexv Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 It's not if I say so, Plant said so. He said when doing a gig like that, there was one song that had to be included. Then they played it. It was the only song all night he said was essential. Where does the notion come from that Zeppelin were EVER perfect live? It's no wonder Plant doesn't want to tour again, given the impossible and unrealistic expectations. Personally I think it would be as boring as hell if ANY band played perfectly throughout the show, note for note like the album--where's the risk or excitement in that?--the risk and excitement of improvisation that Zep were always known for. Agree to that.I still remember Robert saying this as the only intro. I don´t have a problem JP taking off feedbacks but whole parts of a song. He took off Roberts fantastic intro of "How many more times" at the BBC session and the middlepart during "In my time of dying" (Earls Court).Why ??? These are parts of magic moments. I absolutly agree with what you said about the live improvisation. and for this reason do not understand the reason of Jimmies way of producing now. Sometimes he wants to please everybody I fear.This is not the Zeppower without compromises. He turned the greatest tube sound of his guitar into a flat one during the BBC session mix.Why ? This is horror for me.It is as if Russ Meyer would have made a film starring "Paris Hilton". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutrocker Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Personally I think it would be as boring as hell if ANY band played perfectly throughout the show, note for note like the album--where's the risk or excitement in that?--the risk and excitement of improvisation that Zep were always known for. It's been about fifteen years or so since I last played a gig myself but -as I'm sure any other musician on this board will testify to- I don't think we ever had a show go off 100% perfectly. I don't think anybody does...even a band like The Eagles -notorious for their note-for-note reproductions of the album versions, which is indeed boring as hell- hits a few clams here and there. Bad notes, broken strings, flubbed lyrics, other technical difficulties...it happens to everybody. Sometimes an improvisation can go sideways on the band and leave you all looking like a bunch of idiots. Of course, objectivity can be an issue when, after an absolutely crap show, you get members of the audience coming up to you and saying, "You guys were awesome tonight!" Me and the other guys in the band would usually laugh and say, "Actually, we sucked tonight, but thanks anyway!" I don't recall every having any onstage trainwrecks, but I've forgotten my share of lyrics and missed or played a few bad notes on the ol' bass (how McCartney can sing and play those killer basslines at the same time I'll never figure out!) I mean, we look at a gig like the "Eddie" show as an excellent performance; indeed, it's damn near flawless. For all we know, as soon as Zeppelin got backstage, they were all like, "Man, we totally blew it tonight!" Perfection is in the eye of the beholder. And, quite frankly, I'll take less than perfect over perfection anyday...at least when things go wrong you know you're listening to actual people and not a bunch of backing tracks or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ro_a Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 They can fix everything up until when they come back in too quiet. Even that they can smooth over. It's digitally multi-tracked, so they can add, subtract and clone parts. The drum fill is there, the guitar is there, the bass, the voice, everything except the return in unison on the main descending riff. Not to mention they may have played this the night before at the rehearsal, and if they did, it was also multi-tracked. The show before the show gives them a second chance on everything that got away the night of the show. I think this is gonna hit somewhere between really good and amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NobodysFaultButJimmys Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pujols05 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Do we even know there will be a DVD? It's been 3+ years since the show already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pujols05 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Do we even know there will be a DVD? It's been 3+ years since the show already. Oh, nevermind...Ironic that news of a release is posted in the forums, but not the site proper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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