boomneh Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 This is a question that my ocd needs answered. O.K. Going through my collection, trying to clean it up. Started going through all medleys to make sure info is correct. Here's the problem I keep running into: High Flyin' Mama, Truckin' Little Mama, Bottle Up And Go, and Cumberland Gap are all titles given for essentially the same music. Bottle Up And Go and Cumberland Gap are definitely real songs, but I cannot find anything on high flyin' mama and truckin' little mama. I know truckin' little baby is an actual song. So my questions are... 1. Is High Flyin' Mama an actual recorded song? If so, by who? 2. The "Me and my baby bought a v8 ford..." line is from what song? 3. How does everyone else title these? Was High Flyin' Mama the name given to this "arrangement" by lewis and pallett to save space and/or confusion? An example: Dusseldorf 3-12-70 HMMT, how do you title this? How Many More Times Incl. Bolero- The Hunter- Boogie Chillun'- Move On Down The Line- ?- The Lemon Song There is a lyric from C-Gap, immidiately followed by Bottle, immidiately followed by the v8 lyric that I cannot find anywhere, which is followed by "she's a truckin' little babe. Same thing with RAH undedited HMMT. This has been bugging me for 10+ years and I just hope someone else is as OCD as me and has already figured this out. Any help is appreciated. Maybe their is a definitive answer to this and I just missed it on this or the many other great zep sites out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hf21 Posted April 13, 2011 Share Posted April 13, 2011 2. The "Me and my baby bought a v8 ford..." line is from what song? The line "Me and my baby bought a V8 Ford" is originally from Robert Johnson's "They're Red Hot". I'm sure it was used and re-used in many songs after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 A lot of the stuff the band and especially Robert through in during the WLL and HMMT medleys were just bits of lyrics and riffs at times and not whole songs. This was more prevalent through the earlier years of the medleys, through perhaps Japan 1971. Just a line or riff here and there. Sme of the best live moments of Zep are here. Loved these medleys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBgoode Posted April 14, 2011 Share Posted April 14, 2011 Its funny because I have thought about the same exact things, but I am quite sure that Superdave is correct in that they are quoted from numerous songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted April 15, 2011 Share Posted April 15, 2011 And only occasionally do the old lyrics have the same old music to go along with them. Very true, as I've noticed that with a lot of this. Zeppelin was always changing and this is a perfect example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swandown Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Try "Truckin' Little Woman" by Big Bill Broonzy or by Blind Boy Fuller*, both from 1938. *edit to fix his name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swandown Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 "Me and my baby bought a V-8 Ford" is from Robert Johnson's also from 1938. Johnson's original lyric follows with "well we ride that thing all on the runnin' board", but Plant changes it to "shifting gears on the running boards". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 This is a question that my ocd needs answered. O.K. Going through my collection, trying to clean it up. Started going through all medleys to make sure info is correct. Here's the problem I keep running into: High Flyin' Mama, Truckin' Little Mama, Bottle Up And Go, and Cumberland Gap are all titles given for essentially the same music. Bottle Up And Go and Cumberland Gap are definitely real songs, but I cannot find anything on high flyin' mama and truckin' little mama. I know truckin' little baby is an actual song. So my questions are... 1. Is High Flyin' Mama an actual recorded song? If so, by who? 2. The "Me and my baby bought a v8 ford..." line is from what song? 3. How does everyone else title these? Was High Flyin' Mama the name given to this "arrangement" by lewis and pallett to save space and/or confusion? An example: Dusseldorf 3-12-70 HMMT, how do you title this? How Many More Times Incl. Bolero- The Hunter- Boogie Chillun'- Move On Down The Line- ?- The Lemon Song There is a lyric from C-Gap, immidiately followed by Bottle, immidiately followed by the v8 lyric that I cannot find anywhere, which is followed by "she's a truckin' little babe. Same thing with RAH undedited HMMT. This has been bugging me for 10+ years and I just hope someone else is as OCD as me and has already figured this out. Any help is appreciated. Maybe their is a definitive answer to this and I just missed it on this or the many other great zep sites out there. This field of study, if you like, seems to epitomize "it's only rock n' roll - but I like it". I'm not sure there is a right answer but there have been a number of different approaches. Here's an example of mine: Robert Plant May 15th 1988 Hartford, CT USA Civic Center Helen Of Troy Other Arms Heaven Knows In The Evening In The Mood Black Country Woman Ship Of Fools Little By Little Dimples Trampled Underfoot Billy's Revenge Misty Mountain Hop ----------Encores----------- Big Log Tall Cool One --------------------------------- Break On Through (To The Other Side) Note 1: Lyrical reference to Since I've Been Loving You during Heaven Knows. Note 2: Guitar chord reference to Baby Please Don't Go during Billy's Revenge. Note 3: Lyrical reference to When The Levee Breaks during Billy's Revenge. Note 4: Reference to Heartbreaker during Dimples. Note 5: Guitar chord reference to Dazed And Confused at the conclusion of Dimples. Note 6: Refernce to Custard Pie at the conclusion of Tall Cool One. As you can see, I've provided annotations at the end of the setlist concerning references to other songs, lyrics and guitar chords. Even this can become problematic as take for example 'In The Evening' from the '95 Page/Plant tour which always included a reference to Carouselambra. Can it rightly be considered a medley or is it merely an arrangement? Even more challenging, what are we to make of Robert exclaiming "Hot Dog!" during In The Mood from his '85 Shaken n Stirred tour? In the press he was adamant about not performing the music of Led Zeppelin, but "Hot Dog!" is an overt lyrical reference to that Led Zeppelin song. In the end I think all that really matters is - as you've said - if a specific title is assigned to a passage of music or a medley is identified that the references cited be correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted April 16, 2011 Share Posted April 16, 2011 Nice perspective on this Steve. This can be looked at from many different angles, but you probably wouldn't want to spend too much time on it. Whether an inclusion of a part of another song or just a few riffs can be said to be part of a medley isn't important. It's included in the song and that's what matters. Just technicalities I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Garbage Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 Don't forget Leadbellys Borrow Love And Go which sounds just like Bottle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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