Strider Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 That's it...Raiders season is already OVER!!! Asomugha was one of the few bright spots on the team...and we let the FUCKING EAGLES STEAL HIM! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Hi all, That's it...Raiders season is already OVER!!! Asomugha was one of the few bright spots on the team...and we let the FUCKING EAGLES STEAL HIM! Ask Mr Davis,.... KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Hi all, Ask Mr Davis,.... KB On second thought - DON'T! That guy's fuckin' crazy! Strider, how can you be a Raider fan? I know they were in LA for a little while, but the Rams have a much deeper history. Lots of playoff appearences in the 70's and 80's. Most people have an interesting story as to whom their favorite team is and why. I'm sure you do too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyGun Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 On second thought - DON'T! That guy's fuckin' crazy! Strider, how can you be a Raider fan? I know they were in LA for a little while, but the Rams have a much deeper history. Lots of playoff appearences in the 70's and 80's. Most people have an interesting story as to whom their favorite team is and why. I'm sure you do too. Raiders have a great history, one of the greatest organzations in the the nfl, until Al came... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Hi all, Raiders have a great history, one of the greatest organzations in the the nfl, until Al came... Sorry to correct you but the Raiders were a great team under Al.His bickering with Rozelle and shipping the team back and forth ruined it. KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Raiders have a great history, one of the greatest organzations in the the nfl, until Al came... Yeah, I know. But a guy from LA, and loving pretty much everything LA as much as Strider has written about, having a favorite team from Oakland (and yes i know they played in LA for a decade or so) is interesting and worthy of simply asking why? Most who live in, or were born in, New England are fans of the various Boston teams - as you are. I don't know where you live or were born, but I would venture to guess that it is from that region of the country. Anyway, back to football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Plus, how long has Al owned/controlled the Raiders? A VERY long time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermedalist Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 On second thought - DON'T! That guy's fuckin' crazy! Strider, how can you be a Raider fan? I know they were in LA for a little while, but the Rams have a much deeper history. Lots of playoff appearences in the 70's and 80's. Most people have an interesting story as to whom their favorite team is and why. I'm sure you do too. How can I remain an Oriles fan? Same thing. Loyoalty. And there was a day the Raiders were a great team. the days of Stabler and Belitnikoff (sure I spelled his name wrong but go ahead and try). I stay loyal to the Bills and am not crazy about Wilson the owner. But I believe things are about to get better in Buffalo fast. The Raiders are coming here week two. I think they are in for another long season. I mean, what do they have really? The Rams were my second favorite team but more so when they were the Los Angelos Rams. Sure they finally won it all in 99, but they did have some great teams that did not wiin in the seventies and eighties. Its still hard to believe this much time has passed with no team in LA. Go Bills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfman Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 E-A-G-L-E-S....EAGLES!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermedalist Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 E-A-G-L-E-S....EAGLES!!! Tell those Neanderthals on the philly site to try and be civil to fans of other teams wolfman. A real bunch of jerks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Silver, you're missing my point. I wondered why he was a Raider fan in the first place, not questioning why still or loyalty - that I get. I'm the same way, very loyal to my teams. I see that you're an O's fan and I understand why - their AAA team is in your city. I agree with you about Philly fan, they're animals and have a long history of proving that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmie ray Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 oh and about the eagles, they made the jets look so darn foolish, im happy they didnt get asomugha but im not sure if samuel will stay so it makes the eagles secondary less intimidating. and still they made alot of good moves (skinned the hell out of the cards with the kevin kolb trade). check this out http://s236.photobuc...t=jetsbrass.mp4 I don't consider the Eagles secondary intimidating at all. Always been a bunch of puny matchsticks that backs and tight ends steamroll. when they get loose in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermedalist Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 Silver, you're missing my point. I wondered why he was a Raider fan in the first place, not questioning why still or loyalty - that I get. I'm the same way, very loyal to my teams. I see that you're an O's fan and I understand why - their AAA team is in your city. I agree with you about Philly fan, they're animals and have a long history of proving that! Well I am the most hated Troll on their forum. ha. I cant wait to see their hockey team get theirs now that the GM has done lost his marbles and traded half the team away. Cant stand those fans down there. The City of brotherly love my ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyGun Posted July 31, 2011 Share Posted July 31, 2011 I don't consider the Eagles secondary intimidating at all. Always been a bunch of puny matchsticks that backs and tight ends steamroll. when they get loose in there. Asante samuel, cromartie and asomugha is not intimidating ?? are you kidding me? thats a freakish secondary. plaxico burres signed with the jets haha, how they could pass brylon edwards for him? thats beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Raiders have a great history, one of the greatest organzations in the the nfl, until Al came... Dude, get your history correct. It WAS Al Davis that made the Raiders great...they were nothing until he came along in the 60's. He was a great schemer and evaluator of talent in the days before computer printouts and youtube made scouting easier. Al Davis was also one of the great boundary-breakers in the NFL: he hired the first minority head coach(Tom Flores), and the first african-american head coach(Art Shell)...the Raiders also were the first NFL team to have a woman serve as Chief Executive(Amy Trask). Of course, the key word in all of this is "was"...sadly, Al seems a little senile and petty these days, and frankly, everything went downhill when he let "Chucky" Jon Gruden go. But although the last decade has been terrible, and there ought to be a palace coup...that doesn't erase the legend of the man's first 30 years with the Raiders. On second thought - DON'T! That guy's fuckin' crazy! Strider, how can you be a Raider fan? I know they were in LA for a little while, but the Rams have a much deeper history. Lots of playoff appearences in the 70's and 80's. Most people have an interesting story as to whom their favorite team is and why. I'm sure you do too. Well, I do have a story, Walter...although I don't know how interesting you'll find it. Probably as interesting as any story from the 1,127th most interesting man in the world can be. First I'll start with the basics...as a kid, although I was born in LA, we moved when I was 2 or 3 to Huntington Beach, smack dab in Surf City, USA...Orange County, CA. So being in Orange County, we were a little sensitive about the big bad city to our north. I saw a California Angel game before I ever saw a Dodger game. Nolan Ryan was pitching. The Angels also seemed more colourful, wild and wooly(this was the 70s...the greatest decade ever for hairy sports heroes: crazy mustaches and afros and long hair sticking out from under helmets and caps) than the staid, clean-cut Dodgers, led by Mr. All-American Steve Garvey. Basketball-wise, I could be a Laker fan because Orange County had no basketball team, so it was Lakers or nothing. But after watching the heartbreak of the Lakers loss to Boston in the 1969 Finals, and the class and dignity of Jerry West, and the enthusiasm that the late, great announcer Chick Hearn brought to the game, it was pretty easy to be a Laker fan and not feel like you were just jumping on the bandwagon. Plus, in those days, the NBA might as well have been tiddly-winks, for all the majority of the country was concerned. Kids today have NO IDEA how different things are regarding the popularity of basketball and the NBA in particular. Being an NBA fan in those days of the 60s and 70s felt like being part of an underground cult. Which was another key to how I became a Raider fan. As I grew up in the 60s and became a rock and roller, and ingrained and interested in all things counterculture, if you were a hippie-rocker who was anti-establishment, the NFL was the evil empire and the AFL were the Jedi knights. The NFL Los Angeles Rams were this boring CORPORATE team who had George Allen as a coach...this was the guy who took play tips from Tricky-Dick Nixon, ferchrissakes! Yeah, the Fearsome Foursome was great, but for the most part, I hated the brand of football they played...run, run, run, 3 yards and a cloud of dust(just like the Big 10 college teams who always came to the Rose Bowl and get their hearts broken by USC and other Pac-8 teams who didn't treat the forward pass like a disease). They were safe, boring, predictable...and I even hated their uniforms. Also, because they played in the huge LA Coliseum, and because of the NFL's insane rules, their games were frequently blacked out...only when they were on the road would you have a chance to see them on TV. On the other side of the ledger, you had the Oakland Raiders of the AFL...and you couldn't pick a more contrasting-style team to the Rams if you tried. They were wild and crazy, aggressive in tactics and demeanor, they had hair and mustaches everywhere, they had awesome uniforms and logos...and they had the coolest sports theme song ever: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nSKIJvVQI0&feature=related If the AFL was the jedi revolt to the NFL's evil empire, then the Raiders were Luke Skywalker...or on second-thought, maybe they were more like Han Solo. For you soccer fans, imagine the Raiders being like the Brazilian or German World Cup teams: always attacking and free-wheeling, while the Rams were like the cowardly Italians, who just pack it in on defense and play for a tie. Hell, the Raiders even had a quarterback they called the "Mad Bomber": Darryl Lamonica! They had the ancient yet ageless George Blanda, whose accomplishments are too numerous to mention. They had a player, Jim Otto, with the uniform number "00"! How cool is that?!? They threw the ball all over the field from any field position and they played defense the same way, man-to-man, attacking and coming from all angles. Unlike the Rams, who pussied out and played mostly zone defense. John Madden, Fred Biletnikoff, "Old Man" Willie Brown, Big Ben Davidson, Gene Upshaw, Art Shell, Kenny "The Snake" Stabler, Mark van Eeghen, Clarence Davis, John Matuszak, Dave Casper, Cliff Branch, Jim Plunkett, Ted "The Mad Stork" Hendricks, Lester "The Molester" Hayes, Mike Haynes, Howie Long, Matt Millen...and last but not least, the coolest and greatest punter ever, Ray Guy...the only punter to hit the jumbotron in the New Orleans Superdome with one of his punts. Plus, it sometimes seemed like they were on tv more than the Rams were. I still can tell you the exact day I became a Raider fan...Sunday, November 17, 1968. NY Jets at Oakland Raiders on NBC. Yes, the famous "Heidi" game. It was the wildest craziest game I'd ever seen, and in fact, still is to this day. Unlike the poor folks in the midwest and east, we on the West Coast got to see the entire game; it had started 1:00pm PST, which was 4pm EST, so there was no danger of NBC cutting to "Heidi" for those of us in California. I fell in love with the team on the spot...I became a member of Raider Nation, the Silver & Black. Of course, just like with the Angles and Lakers, I had to pay my dues and see my team falter time and time again in the playoffs. But that just made the victories sweeter when they did come. Super Bowl wins in the 1976 and 1980 seasons rank among my most treasured memories...especially the Super Bowl in 1977 at the Rose Bowl, where the Raiders demolished the Minnesota Vikings, which remains the lone Super Bowl game I attended in person. When the Raiders announced they were moving to Los Angeles, I was both excited and concerned. Excited because my favourite team was moving closer to home. Concerned because I knew with the gi-normous Coliseum and the NFL blackout rules, there was a possibility that with the Raiders in LA, I would actually see LESS Raider games on TV than when they were in Oakland. Plus, everyone who knew anything about local politics of the time knew that the LA Coliseum Commission were a bunch of idiots. It was their bungling that led the Lakers to flee the Sports Arena and build the Fabulous Forum, for which Led Zeppelin is thankful. It was their bullshit that made UCLA seek a place to play elsewhere. Then their incompetence cost the Coliseum the Rams, who moved to Anaheim to escape the stench flowing from the LA Coliseum Commission. So I knew the combination of Al Davis and the Coliseum Commission would be a volatile one; sure enough, it was...almost right from the start. Of course, at that very moment I was entering the Army, so it didn't really matter...I was in Missouri, then Texas, then Germany, so the blackouts didn't affect me. I had a year of gloating during the 1983-84 season, when I could lord it over the Ram fans, whose team never won a Super Bowl during their entire stay in LA and Anaheim, while the Raiders in just their second year in LA won the Super Bowl over the defending champs, the Washington Redskins. I was in Germany at this time, and I had to get up at around 3 or 4am to watch the game...but it was worth it! Not just for the Raiders victory and watching hometown USC hero Marcus Allen(my favourite Raider) run circles around the Redskins; but also for the huge amounts of money I won in bets with all the Washington fans on base, hahaha! Yes, it has been a long dry spell since then, save a brief period in the early 2000s when it looked like we might return to glory with Jon Gruden. But save for the Super Bowl appearance in 2002(whereupon that strange bi-polar incident happened with our starting center and the Raiders didn't look like themselves in that game), it didn't last. At least the team moved back to Oakland, which is where they rightly and spiritually belong...not that it wasn't fun to have them here for a while; and to be able to wear LOS ANGELES RAIDERS gear! But, although it gets harder with each passing season, I still have hope that one day the team will rise from the ashes of the past decade and return to its rightful spot as scourge of the league. So there you have it, Walter. That is HOW a Southern California boy like me became, and remains, an Oakland Raider fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ally Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 You forgot Otis Sistrunk who when asked what school he attended answered... " the school of knocks....hard knocks " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 You forgot Otis Sistrunk who when asked what school he attended answered... " the school of knocks....hard knocks " Oh, I forgot a lot of players...but I had a concert to get to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyPhantom Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Good to see that your a fellow Raider fan Strider. From what i have read from some local sports writers though, Nnamdi did not want to come back, which is why it seemed the Raiders pretty much gave up on him. There is even a report going around that he pissed the Raiders off by sitting out a couple of games last year without a need for it. Idk, but I think if we resign Z Miller, maybe steal Cromartie from those Jets, we got a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 See, I knew there was a stort there! As always, I appreciate your attention to detail and the history lesson on LA sports. The first Super Bowl I can remember watching was the Raiders v. Vikings. Here is another question, if I see you in the crowd at one of their games, will you be the fan in the Darth Vader mask or the one with the spiked shoulder pads wearing black and silver face paint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermedalist Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I think the hearbreak I felt after Super Bowl III was just as bad as wide right. I was a Green Bay fan before the Bills entered the NFL. But I also liked the Colts and the old Baltimore Colts of Earl Morrill filling in for the injured Johnny Unitas. I still cant believe the Jets won that game. gift wrapped by the Colts and their over confidence. How could they not be over confident? A league that had not the respect of the NFL> And when the Colts went 13-1 and avenged their only loss, a 30-20 loss to Cleveland in the regular season, with a 34-0 pasting of the Browns in Cleveland in the title game. They were 18 1/2 point favorites, I believe the largest Super Bowl spread to this day. Even though I thought Montana'a 49ers should have been 24 point favs over the Denver team they wound up hammering 55 to something. It is still the biggest upset in sports history in my opinion and in the opinions of many others. Second maybe the miracle on ice? But lets face it, in hockey if you have a hot goalie, you can steal a game. Much more difficult task in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyGun Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Randy moss retire...thank you moss! damn ill miss this guy, although we may see him come back (and bret favre as well). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 His numbers look impressive on paper, but he could have been so much more. For all the wins he was a part of, for your Pats, still no titles with him on the team JG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Hi all, His numbers look impressive on paper, but he could have been so much more. For all the wins he was a part of, for your Pats, still no titles with him on the team JG. Walter we could make a long list of great players during Super Bowl era who never made it,... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/592174-nfl-power-ranking-top-25-hall-of-famers-who-never-played-in-a-super-bowl KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 How many of those players joined a team that had recently won 3 Super Bowls? None! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Hi all, How many of those players joined a team that had recently won 3 Super Bowls? None! I don't want to argue with you my friend,... KB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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