TheStairwayRemainsTheSame Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Last month, Matt from Brain Damage - Pink Floyd News Resource, interviewed Storm Thorgerson, of the British art design group Hipgnosis, about his career and work. Although, a majority of the conversation was about artwork for Pink Floyd, Thorgerson said the following on The Object from Led Zeppelin's 1976 album, Presence. ..... a similar story was for Led Zeppelin's Presence, one of my favourite pieces, I have to say, mostly as I was so surprised that they ever took it. I mean, it's kind of like a piece of kitsch, but not. Anyway, the black object as it became to be know, was painted on the side of a hollow pillar, in black, so if you tapped it, you'd get a response. Underneath it, I cut a hole, the same shape, in the hollow pillar, it was also black because there was no light in the pillar. I was doing this Q&A in Japan, in a different city this time, and my interpreter said there's a man here who's been a fan of Zeppelin for twenty-five years, and is desperate for you to talk about Presence, so I did. So I told him all about Presence, and about what the object meant, and that it was in every walk of life, and I tapped the black thingie, and he nodded his head, and then I put my hand through the hole, and he fell over. It was extraordinary! He was so shocked. And he wouldn't let me put his hand through the hole. He would not let me. His friends were laughing all over the place, and they kept saying to him "Put your hand through the hole". But he would not. Because it was twenty five years of an illusion that he'd just realised was a trick on him too. Because you see it is not an object, it has no moulding, it has no shadow, it's just a funny shaped hole. So Zeppelin don't have to be there, any more than the hole is. Which is why Zeppelin called it Presence, because they don't have to be there. Robert Plant says that Presence was "one of the best bits of synchronicity between sound and picture." I didn't know he thought that. Alva Museum Graphics in New York was contracted to produce 1000 individually numbered 12" tall black "Objects" for Swan Song to use in their promotion of the record. This is the only way and the only time "The Object" was ever released by Swan Song/Atlantic Records. On each side at the base of "The Object" is the following, LED ZEPPELIN, "THE OBJECT" c 1976 SWAN SONG INC, PRESENCE, _#_/1000. Pretty interesting. http://www.led-zeppelin.org/joomla/current-news/1656-storm-thorgerson-comments-on-lzs-presence-object Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Seems you have a double posting of this thread. I'm sure by accident as the first probably took it's time to post and you thought it didn't go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStairwayRemainsTheSame Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 Seems you have a double posting of this thread. I'm sure by accident as the first probably took it's time to post and you thought it didn't go through. Yeah I just saw, I've asked for the other to be deleted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 The other is gone now, so you're in business! Interesting article about the Presence' "The Object" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Thanks for posting. BTW, how does one cut and paste an article of this length? Since the most recent upgrade, anytime I've tried to cut and paste anything, it will only allow me to paste one sentence at a time. I usually just try to post a link but in some incidences I'd like to post the entire article, particularly if it's relatively short (as this one is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStairwayRemainsTheSame Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 Thanks for posting. BTW, how does one cut and paste an article of this length? Since the most recent upgrade, anytime I've tried to cut and paste anything, it will only allow me to paste one sentence at a time. I usually just try to post a link but in some incidences I'd like to post the entire article, particularly if it's relatively short (as this one is). I have never encountered that problem I just do the simple copy and paste of the whole article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I have never encountered that problem I just do the simple copy and paste of the whole article Maybe it's a browser issue, I'm using Google Chrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStairwayRemainsTheSame Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 Maybe it's a browser issue, I'm using Google Chrome. Nah it can't be, so am I. Try highlighting all the text and the clicking and dragging it into a new post in the next tab Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Nah it can't be, so am I. Try highlighting all the text and the clicking and dragging it into a new post in the next tab Must be another issue. Thanks for the hint on how to cut and paste but I already know how to do that. That's said with all due respect by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Maybe it's a browser issue, I'm using Google Chrome. I've never have this problem. I use Firefox, if it makes a difference on the browser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver8 Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I´ve had that problem but it´s not a browser issue. The problem is: the text you want to paste comes formatted with html tags and the system does not ¨like¨ those tags, so the text flow is interrupted (cut). Try pasting the text onto a notepad, then copy-paste from the notepad to the forum. By pasting on a notepad you automatically eliminate programming tags. I´m using Mac and I have two pasting options: 1)paste and 2)paste without format, clicking on the second choice also works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Last month, Matt from Brain Damage - Pink Floyd News Resource, interviewed Storm Thorgerson, of the British art design group Hipgnosis, about his career and work. Although, a majority of the conversation was about artwork for Pink Floyd, Thorgerson said the following on The Object from Led Zeppelin's 1976 album, Presence. ..... a similar story was for Led Zeppelin's Presence, one of my favourite pieces, I have to say, mostly as I was so surprised that they ever took it. I mean, it's kind of like a piece of kitsch, but not. Anyway, the black object as it became to be know, was painted on the side of a hollow pillar, in black, so if you tapped it, you'd get a response. Underneath it, I cut a hole, the same shape, in the hollow pillar, it was also black because there was no light in the pillar. I was doing this Q&A in Japan, in a different city this time, and my interpreter said there's a man here who's been a fan of Zeppelin for twenty-five years, and is desperate for you to talk about Presence, so I did. So I told him all about Presence, and about what the object meant, and that it was in every walk of life, and I tapped the black thingie, and he nodded his head, and then I put my hand through the hole, and he fell over. It was extraordinary! He was so shocked. And he wouldn't let me put his hand through the hole. He would not let me. His friends were laughing all over the place, and they kept saying to him "Put your hand through the hole". But he would not. Because it was twenty five years of an illusion that he'd just realised was a trick on him too. Because you see it is not an object, it has no moulding, it has no shadow, it's just a funny shaped hole. So Zeppelin don't have to be there, any more than the hole is. Which is why Zeppelin called it Presence, because they don't have to be there. Robert Plant says that Presence was "one of the best bits of synchronicity between sound and picture." I didn't know he thought that. Alva Museum Graphics in New York was contracted to produce 1000 individually numbered 12" tall black "Objects" for Swan Song to use in their promotion of the record. This is the only way and the only time "The Object" was ever released by Swan Song/Atlantic Records. On each side at the base of "The Object" is the following, LED ZEPPELIN, "THE OBJECT" c 1976 SWAN SONG INC, PRESENCE, _#_/1000. Pretty interesting. http://www.led-zeppe...presence-object at the risk of sounding totally stupid ...... can someone explain what the hell he is talking about? i don't get it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jahfin Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 I´ve had that problem but it´s not a browser issue. The problem is: the text you want to paste comes formatted with html tags and the system does not ¨like¨ those tags, so the text flow is interrupted (cut). Try pasting the text onto a notepad, then copy-paste from the notepad to the forum. By pasting on a notepad you automatically eliminate programming tags. I´m using Mac and I have two pasting options: 1)paste and 2)paste without format, clicking on the second choice also works. Thanks, I'll give that a shot but the difference occurred as of the most recent upgrade to the board. at the risk of sounding totally stupid ...... can someone explain what the hell he is talking about? i don't get it..... If you're referring to the discussion of The Object™ itself, it sounds like most people are under the impression that it's solid, when in fact, it's hollow. That's the impression I got anyway. Never knew it was so large that one could put their hand inside of it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStairwayRemainsTheSame Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 at the risk of sounding totally stupid ...... can someone explain what the hell he is talking about? i don't get it..... at the risk of sounding totally stupid ...... can someone explain what the hell he is talking about? i don't get it..... The obelisk in the front cover of Presence is just a hole Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 it's hollow? are all the 1000 reproductions hollow???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperDave Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 it's hollow? are all the 1000 reproductions hollow???? Not sure, but I would think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woz70 Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 What he's saying is that on the original photos on the cover of presence the object shape is just a cutout - so you can put your hand through it. So it's more of an absence than a presence. This could all get very philosophical from hereon in..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators sam_webmaster Posted December 12, 2011 Administrators Share Posted December 12, 2011 I´ve had that problem but it´s not a browser issue. The problem is: the text you want to paste comes formatted with html tags and the system does not ¨like¨ those tags, so the text flow is interrupted (cut). Try pasting the text onto a notepad, then copy-paste from the notepad to the forum. By pasting on a notepad you automatically eliminate programming tags. I´m using Mac and I have two pasting options: 1)paste and 2)paste without format, clicking on the second choice also works. ^ this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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