captain_apathy Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Hello everyone hope you're all well tonight, just wanted to ask some opinions about Led Zeppelins 8-31-69 show at the Texas International Pop Festival, I have always enjoyed this show and I was wondering what everyone thinks is the best version? If indeed you happen to think there are even slightly noticeable differences between the various versions out there.Thus far I have heard 'The Only way to Fly' and 'Texas International Pop Festival' both from Empress Valley (personally like the 2nd one better but only by a slight margin), was thinking of downloading The Godfather version, is it worth checking out? is there a Winston Remasters version of this show? Thanks for any info anyone might provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmtomh Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 AFAIK there's no Winston version. In my experience, a Godfather version of anything is always worth a listen. They're not always the best, but often they are very, very good. Finally, I like TCOLZ's version, called "Texas International Pop Festival, Definitive Edition"; but truthfully, almost every version I've heard sounds similar. The differences aren't tremendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamf4k Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Yet another example of a great SQ show being elevated to 'legendary show' status merely on the basis of the quality of the recording...see also LTTE...blah blah... What's that supposed to mean? You don't like 6/21/77? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamf4k Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Honestly I think 6.25.77 has them both beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef free Posted June 3, 2012 Share Posted June 3, 2012 Texas Pop has an awesome Dazed and TSRTS from LTTE is unmatched. Overall there are better shows from both eras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melcórë Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 As for the show itself, I'd say it's pretty overrated. The band (RP in particular) sound very tired & lethargic IMO, compared to other shows around that time. Yet another example of a great SQ show being elevated to 'legendary show' status merely on the basis of the quality of the recording...see also LTTE...blah blah... What. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutrocker Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 As for the show itself, I'd say it's pretty overrated. The band (RP in particular) sound very tired & lethargic IMO, compared to other shows around that time. Yet another example of a great SQ show being elevated to 'legendary show' status merely on the basis of the quality of the recording...see also LTTE...blah blah... What. I agree with the Major...we sometimes confuse classic bootlegs with classic performances. IMO Texas Pop is nuthin' special -there are much better shows from that period. Ditto 6-21-77; if not for Bonham's kick ass drumming on the night, I reckon it'd be considered 'just another '77 show...' Gimme something like 28-4-77 over the Eddie show anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticks of Fire Posted June 5, 2012 Share Posted June 5, 2012 Wow, some of you must be deaf...6.21.77 is awesome. SRTS, Over the Hills, NQ (might be the best of the tour), 10 Years Gone, entire acoustic set, Achilles, STH. Start NQ at about the 14 min. mark and listen to the playing, the jam is about as good as it will ever get. I never understood the love for 6.23.77 and 6.25.77 except for a few songs. Tons of mistakes and the middle of NQ can't touch 6.21 or 5.30.77-Landover. 6.22 and 6.27 are great too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain_apathy Posted June 7, 2012 Author Share Posted June 7, 2012 I guess it just goes to show what sounds good to one person sounds bad to another. For example Major Major you said you feel its overrated and is mostly liked because of its good sound quality(I would have quoted you but for some reason that's not working for me right now). Funny thing is while I do like that show performance wise (very, very good but not as great as some from that era) I always thought the sound quality was not to great for a soundboard at least, that board always sounds rather muffled to me which is why I was looking at different versions, Anyway to each their own as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melcórë Posted June 7, 2012 Share Posted June 7, 2012 I agree with the Major...we sometimes confuse classic bootlegs with classic performances. IMO Texas Pop is nuthin' special -there are much better shows from that period. Ditto 6-21-77; if not for Bonham's kick ass drumming on the night, I reckon it'd be considered 'just another '77 show...' Gimme something like 28-4-77 over the Eddie show anyday. I get this, to a degree. I might also have a sentimental attachment to the show because it was one of the first I ever listened to. That in mind...it's still my favourite performance from 1969. From the opening to the end, one of the best examples of live Led Zeppelin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docron Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 [i remember there being some short bits of reel footage out there for this show]. [if I find it I'll post a few clips]. [i agree - not their best performance] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmtomh Posted July 29, 2012 Share Posted July 29, 2012 On Texas '69: - captain_apathy is right: this soundboard source always sounds muffled. It's clear, but not the best quality Zep soundboard, even from '69. - I don't know about over- or underrated, but I've never been drawn to the Texas show. I've tried it and revisited it, but I just don't find myself wanting to listen to it. - For '69 shows I much prefer the April 24 and 27 Fillmore shows - and for that matter the October 10 Paris radio performance. I won't claim Paris is necessary a better performance than Texas, even though I like it better. But the Fillmore shows are better than Texas IMHO. I'd alway make a case for the January 11 soundboard fragment from Fillmore, and the March 16-17 Danish soundboards. All are excellent. On L.A. 1977: - This seems to be a source of endless debate. At this point I think everyone should agree that all the shows were great, and that 6-21's greatness comes partly - but only partly - from its fame as a bootleg. - Most of 6-23 actually is slightly better in sound quality than 6-21: there's better presence, punch, and tonal balance, probably because Millard and the other tapers were in slightly better seats/positions for taping than Millard was on 6-21. - 6-25 and 6-27 have some amazing moments. In My Time of Dying on the 25th is a personal favorite - last-ever performance, and with the great "Rip It Up" break in the middle. But I call BS on anyone who tries to claim that any of these shows is head-and-shoulders above the others. They're all very close IMHO. And unlike many Zep shows after '73, each of these is a pleasure to listen to all the way through. It would be easy - and probably useful - to make a "best of" compilation for their '75 American tour and their '80 Tour over Europe. But it would be nearly impossible - and pointless - to do the same with '77, because of these L.A. shows. It would be ridiculous to pick out THE one best performance of at least a half-dozen songs, just from the L.A. run, let alone the other good '77 shows (Landover May 30, Cleveland April 28, and so on...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 I have three versions of Texas Pop...Godfatherecords, Genuine Masters DVD-A, which claims to have both the soundboard and the video soundtrack, and another earlier cd release, the name and label of which escapes me now. While I enjoy popping in the '69 Texas Pop now and then, I have to agree with most others here that it's not my first choice regarding 1969 shows. It is a particular quirk of mine that I only consider concerts that included "As Long As I Have You" in the setlist as candidates for Best of 1969. The ALAIHY jams are my favourite moments of 1969 Led Zeppelin. If only they would have kept it in the set thru the year...at least until the RAH show on Jimmy's birthday. Imagine having ALAIHY on the RAH portion of the DVD! As for the mini-77 debate going on...the difference between the 6 LA Forum shows is marginal for the most part, especially when comparing the first 3 or 4 nights. But in my opinion, any of the 6 Forum shows would outrank an earlier show like 4.28.77, if only for the inclusion of Over the Hills and Far Away in the setlist. OTHAFA is one of the highlights of the 77 tour for me, and any show that doesn't have it suffers in comparison. That's why I can't put 6.25 above 6.21, 6.22, or 6.23. Yes, I said 6.22.77...for years the lost forgotten sheep of the 6 night Forum run. This is the one show I did NOT attend that year, and for a long time I wondered what I had missed. Then Luis Rey's book came out and he slagged the show, so I felt better about not going that night as he made it seem as if it was subpar Zeppelin. Until last year, when I finally scored a boot of the 6.22 show: Scorpio's "Second Night at the Forum". No, the sound quality isn't as good as the Millard tapes, but it's listenable. More importantly, Luis Rey was wrong...this performance is every bit as good as the more famous Eddie and Badgeholder nights, and in some spots better(I really like Achilles, broken string and all...and this night has the longest No Quarter jam ever). Even more important, 6-22 is one of the rare 1977 dates where the band played both IMTOD and OTHAFA...hell, it might be the ONLY time but I'd have to go through the timeline to make sure. And the 6-22 OTHAFA is a BEAST...especially when it comes to the solo! Jimmy's en fuego! All this makes me regret I didn't see the 6-22 show now. As for the 6-25...having just listened to all the 6 Forum shows, I will say that the 6.25 Kashmir is AWESOME, with the best sound balance between the instruments. Some versions have too much guitar and not enough Mellotron and others the reverse. The 6.25 is just right in all facets. This all reminds me, too, that I need to get cracking and write up the 77 Forum shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstritzi Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I also don't understand how anyone can rate the 6-23 show tops??? I guess the excitement of MOONIE & it does have GREAT-MOMENTS also it does sound great but what about Jimmy's guitar cutting out during Trampled & Kashmir? I am not putting this show down I do think like all of us on this Forum(Strider YOU-DO need to start your forum(BOOK!)You are very forunate,but 6-21 & 6-22 or better with 6-25 being as good but this is senseless we need to HEAR-STRIDER'S POINT OF VIEW(He was there) & they were all GREAT!!! Maybe someone should start this topic EARL'S COURT VS L.A.FORUM!!! Just kidding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gstritzi Posted July 31, 2012 Share Posted July 31, 2012 I agree with the Major...we sometimes confuse classic bootlegs with classic performances. IMO Texas Pop is nuthin' special -there are much better shows from that period. Ditto 6-21-77; if not for Bonham's kick ass drumming on the night, I reckon it'd be considered 'just another '77 show...' Gimme something like 28-4-77 over the Eddie show anyday. NUT; How can you compare you've got to be kidding? 4-28-77 over 6-21-77 c'mon your the KING OF 77 I can appreciate you or anyone liking or perfering one show over another but you and Major have to admit this is the BEST-SHOW of the 77-Tour.I do like other show's from the 77-tour also but like UNCLE-JIMBO say's this show is a assult on the senses. With the exception on Jimmy's playing on Heartbreaker & The Noise Solo(which is probably also the best of 77) this is Zep at it's Best. Once again all this debate about which show is better than the next comes down to personal choice.In my opion the 77-tour was much better than people give it credit for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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