pottedplant Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Congratulations to pope Francis on being nominated Time's Person of The Year. A refreshing and outstanding choice:http://poy.time.com/2013/12/11/person-of-the-year-pope-francis-the-peoples-pope/ Hi Dropsie!!!! I'm not sure how I feel/think about Pope Francis. It's going to take some time to understand what he is all about, you know. I do know that he will not skirt around settled doctrine, like the secularist and media think he will. People can just forget about that. "Is the Pope Catholic?" You betcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DropDown Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Hey PP...well he is a lot more "liberal" compared to his more conservative predecessor B XVI( who is an immensely learned man yet was unjustly vilified by many; he is not a great communicator but a man devoted to study and contemplation) and you also have to take into consideration where he's from, which shaped his way of thinking ( Argentina during the Liberation Theology heyday). I love that he's shaking up a lot of things within the Curia (the bureaucratic cardinals are the ones who have been really running the show up to now)and even tough his words on capitalism were misinterpreted(basically he didn't say give it all up and wear a potato sack but don't worship money), as far as budging on doctrine the liberal media can hold their breath...he's changed the tone but the tune remains the same. Why do you think Obama closed the US mission to the Holy See? First of all, it took many months after his election to find a suitable ambassador to the Vatican (trying to find a pro-life Democrat was like finding a needle in a haystack). After said ambassador stepped down in 2012 ( he was a true gentleman, I met him on a few occasions) it took again a long time to find someone with the right credentials. But now since Francis has made it clear that while the church must be all-welcoming, all-embracing towards all our bretheren, the tenents and teachings remain in force, especially on abortion, that didn't sit too well with the current POTUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 He is a rather surprising choice for the uber liberal Time magazine award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pottedplant Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 He is a rather surprising choice for the uber liberal Time magazine award. Well, SAJ, like I said - they think he is going to change doctrine to suit their tastes. What Dropsie said is true - he will not change a thing because he can not change doctrine. I believe he will have a different way of communicating doctrine. Some will understand it, some will not. Those that don't understand it, well, what else is new? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveAJones Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Well, SAJ, like I said - they think he is going to change doctrine to suit their tastes. What Dropsie said is true - he will not change a thing because he can not change doctrine. I believe he will have a different way of communicating doctrine. Some will understand it, some will not. Those that don't understand it, well, what else is new? You are absolutely correct. The Pope cannot change the word of God, but he can communicate it differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP78 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 In the La Stampa interview, the pope said: “The Marxist ideology is wrong. But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don’t feel offended.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP78 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Speaking at a Washington, DC event for the Center for American Progress, a progressive think-tank, Obama cited Pope Francis' denunciation of the so-called "trickle down" economic theory favored by many conservatives. Read more: http://digitaljournal.com/article/363358#ixzz2o0ZKhDiX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cryingbluerain Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 ^^ The Catholic Church can hardly claim to hold the moral high ground when it comes to wealth. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/vatican_billions.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DropDown Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 In the La Stampa interview, the pope said: “The Marxist ideology is wrong. But I have met many Marxists in my life who are good people, so I don’t feel offended.” He's absolutely right. I also have friends who are Marxists and though we argue tooth and nail about some things they are good people, even if I don't espouse their political inclinations. And never will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 The political and economic philosophy of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in which the concept of class struggle plays a central role in understanding society's allegedly inevitable development from bourgeois oppression under capitalism to a socialist and ultimately classless society. Dids Bill Gates get the memo? Steve X2? No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Duck Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Hey PP...well he is a lot more "liberal" compared to his more conservative predecessor B XVI( who is an immensely learned man yet was unjustly vilified by many; he is not a great communicator but a man devoted to study and contemplation) and you also have to take into consideration where he's from, which shaped his way of thinking ( Argentina during the Liberation Theology heyday). I love that he's shaking up a lot of things within the Curia (the bureaucratic cardinals are the ones who have been really running the show up to now)and even tough his words on capitalism were misinterpreted(basically he didn't say give it all up and wear a potato sack but don't worship money), as far as budging on doctrine the liberal media can hold their breath...he's changed the tone but the tune remains the same. Why do you think Obama closed the US mission to the Holy See? First of all, it took many months after his election to find a suitable ambassador to the Vatican (trying to find a pro-life Democrat was like finding a needle in a haystack). After said ambassador stepped down in 2012 ( he was a true gentleman, I met him on a few occasions) it took again a long time to find someone with the right credentials. But now since Francis has made it clear that while the church must be all-welcoming, all-embracing towards all our bretheren, the tenents and teachings remain in force, especially on abortion, that didn't sit too well with the current POTUS. Why didn't Obama just appoint a career Foreign Service officer as U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican? American presidents historically do this when they don't have a political appointee to fill the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DropDown Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 Because either way you have to fulfill the Vatican's standards to fill the post; i.e., pro-life and either single or legally married (not necessarily do you have to be Catholic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP78 Posted December 20, 2013 Share Posted December 20, 2013 <Bill Gates said Thursday that the country has got to hike taxes and the wealthy should shoulder a greater burden of the increase, while he rejected any close correlation between job creation and the level of taxes. “Even as the economy improves and you end the wars, you’re going to have to raise taxes and certainly, whatever form it takes, and I’m not an expert on this — the rich should bear a larger increase than the rest,” the billionaire founder of Microsoft told Fox News Thursday in Switzerland, where he is attending the World Economic Forum.> When asked about the argument that taxing the wealthy would actually hinder job creation by putting pressure on companies to contract and hire less, Gates said he didn’t see that to be the case.> Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0112/72007.html#ixzz2o3lZii3u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Duck Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Because either way you have to fulfill the Vatican's standards to fill the post; i.e., pro-life and either single or legally married (not necessarily do you have to be Catholic). Really? I'm surprised the Vatican gets to vet American ambassadors to that degree. Do other nation states get that much say in who the U.S. sends to head up the embassy on their turf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Anjin-san Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Why didn't Obama just appoint a career Foreign Service officer as U.S. Ambassador to the Vatican? American presidents historically do this when they don't have a political appointee to fill the post. Are that fooking dumb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DropDown Posted December 21, 2013 Share Posted December 21, 2013 Really? I'm surprised the Vatican gets to vet American ambassadors to that degree. Do other nation states get that much say in who the U.S. sends to head up the embassy on their turf? Ever wonder why women never fill that position in Saudi Arabia? They won't accept women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slave to zep Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-05/george-pell-vatican-finds-hundreds-of-millions-of-euros/5945774 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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