Walter Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Lawrence Taylor Joe Montana Walter Payton Deion Sanders Jerry Rice I want to put in guys like Jim Brown and Deacon Jones, but they were like men among boys, physically speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Ray Nitschke Jerry Kramer Ronnie Lott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb126 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I cannot participate in this particular conversation of "best ever" because I would only be going by stats and hearsay, I haven't been following NFL for that many years. I think it's difficult to make these lists because the game has changed so much. Size, speed, equipment, PEDs, salaries, league and game rules...I could go on and on. Hard to compare players from different eras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I cannot participate in this particular conversation of "best ever" because I would only be going by stats and hearsay, I haven't been following NFL for that many years. I think it's difficult to make these lists because the game has changed so much. Size, speed, equipment, PEDs, salaries, league and game rules...I could go on and on. Hard to compare players from different eras. Well,kid,everyone listed is in the HOF or will be,... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan77 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I cannot participate in this particular conversation of "best ever" because I would only be going by stats and hearsay, I haven't been following NFL for that many years. I think it's difficult to make these lists because the game has changed so much. Size, speed, equipment, PEDs, salaries, league and game rules...I could go on and on. Hard to compare players from different eras. That sums it up very well. It is difficult to compare players from different era's. But if you ask me, I will give an example, the Steeler teams of the 70's would murder the team that beat Seattle in the Super Bowl under Cower. I do not care what there height and weight was. I saw them all play. No contest. And Kapernick is no Joe Montana either. Jim Brown would have been dynamic in any era. And so on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul carruthers Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I often wonder how high on the all-time greats list someone like Bo Jackson would have been had his career not been cut short by injury. Another guy who's career was cut short, Terrell Davis who I believe is up for Hall of Fame nomination this year. A real good player, but not Hall of Fame worthy imo (did not play long enough).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
in_the_evening Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 So, In The Evening thinks Peyton Manning is easily one of the top 3 players in NFL history - obviously Manning's statistics support that claim and can be used as factual information. My question back was, where would that leave Tom Brady in the discussion? They are in the same era, have played each other a number of times - if Brady would be ahead of Manning, then there are two of the top three of all-time right there. So. {text chopped} . I think if we are talking just QBs, and I have only watched since the 80s or so, you would have Montana, Marino, Brady, Peyton in no real particular order. Elway could light it up when needed as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Yes, Elway was probably the 2nd best for me - only behind Montana. Yes, Rick, it is hard to compare different eras but it's still fun! All just conjecture anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan77 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Yes, Elway was probably the 2nd best for me - only behind Montana. Yes, Rick, it is hard to compare different eras but it's still fun! All just conjecture anyway... Now you have done it. Elway second to Montana? No way. I can name many better than Elway. Brady is better than Elway. Peyton is better than Elway. Unitas was better than Elway. Norm Van Brocklin was as good as Elway as was Tarkenton, Bradshaw, Namath, Baugh and well I could keep going. Lets throw in Bart Starr and Darrryl Lamonica and Dan Marino and Kelly. Yes, how about Dan Marino? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Tom Flores,doesn't get in the HOF?Outrageous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Again, it's all conjecture. Elway singled handedly took his team to Super Bowls without much talent around him, won two when he finally had talent, and made Shannahan look like a genius - which may have been the most difficult feat of them all! Brady and Manning have had Pro Bowlers all around them and Marino could never carry a team when their back was against the wall in the playoffs. He was the greatest regular season qb of all time, for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/all-pros.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 ^ Yep, lots of Pro Bowlers. Brady certainly is one of the best, I just don't put him above Elway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share Posted January 11, 2014 Differences in training regimens, equipment, rules and playing strategy...it's very hard to compare players of different eras. Hell, many linebackers and linemen of the 50s and 60s would look puny next to the players of today. Overall team speed has vastly improved, too. Anyway, here are my top 10 NFL players that I have seen in my lifetime...sorry Jim Brown, Otto Graham, Dick Butkis and the other old-timers. 1. Quarterback: Joe Montana 2. Running Back: Marcus Allen 3. Receiver: Jerry Rice 4. TE: Kellen Winslow 5. O-Line: Center: Jim Otto Guard: John Hannah Tackle: (tie) Art Shell, Anthony Munoz 6. D-line: Mean Joe Greene 7. Linebacker: Jack Lambert 8. Secondary: Ronnie Lott 9. Punter: Ray Guy 10. Kicker: Adam Vinatiari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan77 Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 Again, it's all conjecture. Elway singled handedly took his team to Super Bowls without much talent around him, won two when he finally had talent, and made Shannahan look like a genius - which may have been the most difficult feat of them all! Brady and Manning have had Pro Bowlers all around them and Marino could never carry a team when their back was against the wall in the playoffs. He was the greatest regular season qb of all time, for sure! Debatable. Johnny Unitas must be included in any talk of best ever QB's. Jim Kelly took his team to what should have been a Super Bowl winning drive by sliding in at the 37 and we know what happened. Wide right. Not Kelly's fault And Strider, Marcus Allen over Jim Brown or even OJ is laughable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2014/01/kraft_i_fell_in_love_with_sam_berns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LedZeppfan77 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Anyone else sick of these damn Robots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 After throwing just nine picks all season, Andrew Luck's four interceptions were the difference in a 43-22 loss for the Indianapolis Colts against the New England Patriots on Saturday night. "I can't commit that many turnovers and have a chance to win against a good team like this," Luck said after dropping the divisional-round playoff game. "I'm proud to be a part of this team. Guys never quit; guys never stop fighting. We had our chances and we just couldn't get over that hump. The Patriots deserved to win." Class act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 7 picks in two games....as a team they only had 14 turnovers all season! He will have his day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrum Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Johnny Unitas must be included in any talk of best ever QB's. Can't forget 'ol Y.A. Tittle. Here he was tackled by a Steeler I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Robert Anthony II Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I loved watching the Patriots blitzkrieg the Colts the other day. They were probably prepared for a typical Tom Brady aerial assault and instead Blount just went beast mode and pounded them up the middle over and over again. Tom Brady had a really good performance too considering the circumstances. He played it smart by not trying to do too much, unlike Luck (ton of yardage and some TD throws, but also threw FOUR picks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 And Strider, Marcus Allen over Jim Brown or even OJ is laughable As usual, you missed the fine print. I said I was only considering players I had seen play in my lifetime...Jim Brown retired before I started watching football in 1968. Obviously, he is one of the all-time greats and numbers-wise, probably the best running back ever. OJ had some memorable seasons, including being the first to rush for 2,000 yards in 1973. I remember well the Juice and the Electric Company. But Marcus Allen was more durable, excelled at more tasks (he was a good blocker and receiver in addition to being a running back...and he could throw, too!), and scored more and fumbled less than OJ. Marcus Allen scored a touchdown once every 25 times he touched the ball and fumbled once every 55 times. OJ scored once in 35 touches and fumbled once in 42. Marcus was a multiple threat coming out of the backfield...he was the precurser to Marshall Faulk...and he had deceptive speed. Just ask the Denver Broncos or Washington Redskins. He could go inside or outside and he was money at the goal line. Not even Sam "Bam" Cunningham went over the top at the goal line like Marcus Allen. Incredibly, he racked up all these numbers while being in Al Davis' doghouse for SIX seasons. His numbers would be astronomical if the Raiders hadn't spent six years trying to break his spirit. He was still an effective RB in his last years with Kansas City, unlike OJ, who was used and spent after 1976. And, Marcus Allen didn't kill anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anjin-san Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0zh8ZNSLhM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walter Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 I love Jim Brown, being 'cuse fan and all. Obviously I never saw him play and in videos he was just a man among boys that's for sure! Strider, your list looks good. It's hard to really tell how good some of the individual members of the "Steel Curtain" were, because they were such a dominating unit. Lambert was great, but right next to him was Jack Ham, in front of him was Greene and Greenwood and behind him Blount among others. They were so stacked. The same reason why Emmitt doesn't get his due. So much talent around him, even though even after Irvin went down, the line deteriorated, and Aikman started getting concussions, he still was a 1200 yard back year in and out. The Chiefs were fun to watch with Montana and Allen trying to continue their high level of performing. My picks pretty much are they players I watched during my formative years of watching NFL. Walter Payton was so amazing on what was usually a sh!t team. I loved how he would just jump up after getting plowed over. Jerry Rice was so good for so long. LT was probably the single most dominant player I have ever seen on defense and Deion closed off his whole section of the field he was covering. Not to mention when he used to return punts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrum Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0zh8ZNSLhM The old days of smash mouth football. And those damned goal posts right on the goal line. Tick! Tick! Tick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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